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Ishmael Hansen Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition 0	Posted - 2012.12.06 01:49:00 - [1] - Quote The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu. Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 292	Posted - 2012.12.06 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. Amat victoria curam.
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 134	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:12:00 - [3] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. fanboi sound off. --- Several changes were made that could be seen as better. - Augoror is a good ship in another MMO similar to EVE but without the I-Win Alpha based one shot mechanic. Speaking of drones, working as intended?
fukier Flatline. 226	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote Ishmael Hansen wrote: The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu. Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies. what about drones? i am flying a domi with sentires atm... belt ratting... whats the problem? LTP people At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:19:00 - [5] - Quote fukier wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu. Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies. what about drones? i am flying a domi with sentires atm... belt ratting... whats the problem? LTP people I don't think he said it couldn't be done. He said it wasn't worth the bother. I don't know if I'd agree. Chaining in the belts as as lucrative as it ever was, granted it reduces null systems to 5+ is over populated but that's another story.
Ishmael Hansen Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition 0	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:32:00 - [6] - Quote fukier wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu. Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies. what about drones? i am flying a domi with sentires atm... belt ratting... whats the problem? LTP people I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries.
baltec1 Bat Country 3051	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:35:00 - [7] - Quote Ishmael Hansen wrote: I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries. My medium and lights are doing just fine.
ashley Eoner 64	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:43:00 - [8] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries. My medium and lights are doing just fine. Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro...
baltec1 Bat Country 3051	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:48:00 - [9] - Quote Spent all afternoon doing anoms, when they try to go after my drones I simply recall them. Honestly you are acting like a terrible miner pre barge buff.
Ishmael Hansen Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition 1	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:48:00 - [10] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: baltec1 wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries. My medium and lights are doing just fine. Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro... What is the exploit? And why the hell is this forum acting up on Opera Browser :(

Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 30	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote Still using a myrmidon to mission. The frigate and destroyer npc pretty much instapop out at 35km with 250mm Railgun II's. Of course the new AI requires more micromanaging the drones when they get aggro but this isn't any change to how I was doing it already.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 30	Posted - 2012.12.06 02:56:00 - [12] - Quote Ishmael Hansen wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: baltec1 wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries. My medium and lights are doing just fine. Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro... What is the exploit? And why the hell is this forum acting up on Opera Browser :( Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit
dexington Push button receive bacon 215	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:01:00 - [13] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management. The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Ishmael Hansen Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition 1	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: baltec1 wrote: Ishmael Hansen wrote: I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries. My medium and lights are doing just fine. Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro... What is the exploit? And why the hell is this forum acting up on Opera Browser :( Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit lol, that is stupid, drone users already had the short stick. In the time we had to wait for some spawns to aggro we could finish it in a tengu.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 293	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:06:00 - [15] - Quote dexington wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management. The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it. Just because it now takes effort doesn't mean it's bad. It's not bad and it's not problematic. It's only an issue for non-effort 5 yearolds and afk/bots (not saying you're either). Amat victoria curam.
Ishmael Hansen Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition 2	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:06:00 - [16] - Quote dexington wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management. The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it. I like the idea of npcs/players shooting your turrets/launchers, with a turret hold like the drone bay. Then I would love to watch the whinning
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1840	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:10:00 - [17] - Quote It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard. What should I believe, EVEO forums?! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Pohbis 119	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:14:00 - [18] - Quote Ishmael Hansen wrote: I like the idea of npcs/players shooting your turrets/launchers, with a turret hold like the drone bay. Then I would love to watch the whinning Sure thing, they'll shoot free T2 ammo tho, yes?
Ioci Bad Girl Posse 243	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:21:00 - [19] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard. What should I believe, EVEO forums?! All drones go to heaven so it's OK. R.I.P. Vile Rat
dexington Push button receive bacon 215	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:33:00 - [20] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: dexington wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management. The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it. Just because it now takes effort doesn't mean it's bad. It's not bad and it's not problematic. It's only an issue for non-effort 5 yearolds and afk/bots (not saying you're either). Drones takes more effort then other weapon systems, which is the downside of using drones but also what makes then fun to use. You can apply full dps/ewar/rep at close to any range with the right fit, not using cpu/pg/cap, but drones can die and they will die if you don't watch them. When running missions only to make isk, drones are reduced to just being a weapon system. And if it takes more effort and does less dps, it's less effective then other weapon system. I don't know if that means drones are bad/problematic/broken, but i do think it suggest there is room for improvement. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥

ashley Eoner 64	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:49:00 - [21] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit That someone being a developer https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421 Quote: While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution. Thank you play again..
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 889	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:52:00 - [22] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard. What should I believe, EVEO forums?! Inflation caught up to the game, so the tengu is number 1 again. I'm not shitposting.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1840	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:55:00 - [23] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Caviar Liberta wrote: Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit That someone being a developer https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421 Quote: While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution. Thank you play again.. So if my drones are being shot, I should either: a) Let them all die OR b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight in order to not be 'sploiting? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1840	Posted - 2012.12.06 03:55:00 - [24] - Quote rodyas wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard. What should I believe, EVEO forums?! Inflation caught up to the game, so the tengu is number 1 again. Oh that's great. I was just wondering about getting a HAMgu, I heard they were THE thing. Wait, I should buy it now, while people still think they suck? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
ashley Eoner 64	Posted - 2012.12.06 04:15:00 - [25] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: Caviar Liberta wrote: Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit That someone being a developer https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421 Quote: While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution. Thank you play again.. So if my drones are being shot, I should either: a) Let them all die OR b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight in order to not be 'sploiting? I'm not a developer...
dexington Push button receive bacon 216	Posted - 2012.12.06 04:19:00 - [26] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: So if my drones are being shot, I should either: a) Let them all die OR b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight in order to not be 'sploiting? I was thinking the same, normally exploits would be illegal use of in-game mechanics, i don't really think saving you drones falls into that category. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 504	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:24:00 - [27] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. This gentleman has obvioulsy not been in a Forlorn Hub in null sec since this change lol. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Oopsy Bear Massively Masochistic Machos 20	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:36:00 - [28] - Quote The problem with drones isn't the new AI. The problem is that if you take the skills points you have in drones and put them in anything else then you come out ahead. They are a waste of skill points.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 91	Posted - 2012.12.06 06:07:00 - [29] - Quote Drones are a primary weapon system? wumbo
Risien Drogonne Aliastra Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2012.12.06 06:19:00 - [30] - Quote Eli Green wrote: Drones are a primary weapon system? For a lot of ships, yes.



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