It would be great with an option to customize the requirements for wanted logo to be shown, i guess some players are only interressed is find players with a high bounty, while other would like to avoid players with a low security standing.

When I think of things players do "for laughs" in EVE, I think can flipping, or suicide ganking, or putting illegal drugs in your mining op's Orca. These are small things you can do to a small amount of people at a time, and there is repercussions for your actions. (Most of the time).

Most of the things people do to troll that have a large impact on the entire player base are changed to discourage that type of behavior. I'm just asking that they discourage trolls from abusing the bounty system by posting small amounts of bounty on people. A bounty should be a large amount of money, and be large enough that it has respectable if not serious connotations.

Make the wanted sign MEAN something. Please.

The point wasn't that this was a roleplay feature, the point was that EVE is a sandbox and I want you to define who you want to put a bounty on. This is a social mechanic that let's you choose who you think is bad or deserves a bounty.

I'm totally with you that it is pretty much impossible to draw a line between those who might be "innocent" and those who might be not. But...

The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

The actual problem with that is that people believe what they see, not what they hear. If there is a new player who might have heard of this helpful guy mentioned before he might want to know more about him and the first impression that he will get from this guy's information window is a big picture of a wanted criminal. Maybe just because some people thought it would be funny to place bounties on him. But this could just ruin a character's reputation in the long term. Because the wanted stamp on his picture is just naturally being associated with terms like "criminal", "fugitive", "thief", "griefer" a.s.o. Thats just normal but non the less is it simply not right.
On the other hand side this person has absolutely no chance of getting rid of this bounty via legal actions. It's a pretty one sided system right now. People in EVE can get rid of their bad security status but not of their bounty? I would say their should be taken a bit more effort in developing a rather fair gameplay mechanic. I don't say make it easy for people to get rid of their bounty but there should at least be a chance for it besides getting blown up.

The bounty hunting system itself as it is right now is a well done first step but nothing more.

But as my last boss told me once: "I don't employ you for giving me problems. I employ you for bringing me solutions." I of course have at least a rough idea for a possible solution.

My suggestion:

Make a kind of contract system out of it. While leaving the bounty information on the character's information window untouched so that everybody can see it, just add the wanted stamp in case the contract for hunting a certain person has been accepted by a bounty hunter.
The downside might be that the person would know when he is hunted (and everyone else too) BUT the uncertainty of when he might be blown up and who is hunting him would still be kept up. In this case he might also be able of hiring mercenaries for his own safety which would just be fair.
But the real deal with this idea is, that his reputation was untouched until he is hunted.

In addition to that we would of course need a game mechanic that gives the character a chance to at least reduce his bounty by legal acts before a bounty hunter is accepting the contract.

So, I would like to hear what you, CCP Soundwave, think of it.

The point wasn't that this was a roleplay feature, the point was that EVE is a sandbox and I want you to define who you want to put a bounty on. This is a social mechanic that let's you choose who you think is bad or deserves a bounty.

You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings.

We're well aware of the consequences, they're entirely intended. It's not that no one brought those things up, it's that you and I fundamentally disagree on how this feature should work, which is completely fine.

Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made.

You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings.

I love the new bounty system. **** all you whining bitches.

[The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

The actual problem with that is that people believe what they see, not what they hear. If there is a new player who might have heard of this helpful guy mentioned before he might want to know more about him and the first impression that he will get from this guy's information window is a big picture of a wanted criminal.

This. ^^

I've lost all my business contracts for selling Fuel Blocks over this so I'm just simply leaving the game until the entire thing is' re-thunked'.

Do you speak for the whole playerbase?

80% of everyone I've talked to is pretty happy with this, and I have a very wide circle of contacts.

I thought you were quitting for good forever for realsies this time.

Right.

IF it meant (I will pay X amount for this person to die), then I would understand the "Wanted" sign.

But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.

That's what I'm saying. If you make bounties 100m minimum for wanted sign, than it means someone WANTS you to die and that you are truely wanted. Not this spam we see now which is just immature trolls thinking they are new and creative by putting a 100k bounty on their friends / everyone they run into.

Right now, it's turned into a game of TAG where we try to tag everyone who doesn't have a bounty on themselves. It's not about paying form someone to die. Let's make this a system where you have to pay a serious valuable amount that bounty hunters will truly pursue.

Getting a bounty on you should mean "Wow, I should be careful who I run into". Not, "Oh, look, now I'm like everyone else".

Most of the people I've spoken with don't like it.

Camon, why would they like it? You literally took "Wanted" and threw it out the window in terms of connotation and what it means. 100k bounty means absolutely nothing. It means nothing to the person who paid the bounty. It means nothing to the person who has it. It means nothing to the person who receives the reward. (yay, 20k!). All it means is a big ugly WANTED sign that gouges into my fantasy world of having a (good) player.

Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made.

The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

Don't say playerbase.

I do not share your view, as do what seems most people here.

The only problem is that some people have some sort of strange pop culture definition of the word "wanted".
To much Dog or something.

Yes, because in the world you live in Wanted doesn't have criminal or high profile connotations to it.

....and so it begins....yet again........bs shields up folks !

edit: I'm referring to the two posts above you, Vixen.

Yes, because in the world you live in Wanted doesn't have criminal or high profile connotations to it. You're a Goon. You jump on the bandwagon. I imagine if enough of your friends start not liking the system, you will be right with them.

However, what this new bounty system allows us to do is to put money on eachother and say "I want to reward someone for killing this guy or this corp or this alliance". It then becomes a matter of whether someone decides that money is worth it (in hi-sec, 100k ISK is never worth it. In lowsec it almost always is). If you have a high enough bounty that someone might be willing to take a CONCORDOKKEN to kill you, you now can choose whether you just want to accept it, or if you want to live life looking over your shoulder.

How many more times in the lifecycle of eve are we gonna have new features that fracture the database, make the Goons behave at their most animalistic, cause emergency CSM meeting, followed by nerfing the game, then everyone forgets about it 6 months later....then lather, rinse, repeat ?

It's gotten so so monotonous. A million bored yawns are to be had for all, really. Same old nonsense, different day.

MAybe EVE players are not really as imaginative as we all thought.