Hi CCP!

I have a small complaint. I don't like that everyone is spamming eachother with very small amount of bounty. Now everyone has Wanted signs on them. It's cool that people have a bounty on them, but the wanted sign used to say, hey watch out this character might be a little more dangerous and you should be careful with this person. Now all [wanted] means, in my oppinion, is that some noob spammed a 100k bounty on him as a joke.

I am not a killer, and I've never killed anyone, I don't really like that I now have the same title as people with -10 standing, or large bounties that mean something. Also, I feel bad for the hardcore pirates. The people of note who have bounties that mean something. They should be the ones wearing the bounty sign. Not 95% of the entire player base.

It's not a big deal, but in every society, wanted means something drastic. Can you please keep it that way in EVE?

I suggest that the wanted sign isn't shown unless a bounty over 100 million is issued. I'd also like to discuss ways players can reduce or eliminate their own bounties, but I don't have any ideas. I just don't like the idea that I now am "wanted" for 100k for the rest of my Eve Career or until I die.

Thanks for reading everyone please don't increase my bounty just to troll me but I know you will but I will take that punishment in hope that I can make a difference and better EVE online

I suggest that the wanted sign isn't shown unless a bounty over 100 million is issued. I'd also like to discuss ways players can reduce or eliminate their own bounties, but I don't have any ideas. I just don't like the idea that I now am "wanted" for 100k for the rest of my Eve Career or until I die.

Now all the pro players DON'T have wanted signs, like me.

Awaits bounties.

I'd go so far as to say it's usually the new players who won't have bounties only because they die so much the bounties fall off.

"New players" and "die so much" in one sentence does not compute.
Those who are zipping null in tackling Rifters on day one, this statement may be tru for them, but I doubt they will have bounties on their head in such an environement in the first place.

OT: Not that this sign had any meaning before. Except some people used it to promote their club, well, you know those...

"New players" and "die so much" in one sentence does not compute.
Those who are zipping null in tackling Rifters on day one, this statement may be tru for them, but I doubt they will have bounties on their head in such an environement in the first place.

OT: Not that this sign had any meaning before. Except some people used it to promote their club, well, you know those...

Hi CCP!

I have a small complaint. I don't like that everyone is spamming eachother with very small amount of bounty. Now everyone has Wanted signs on them. It's cool that people have a bounty on them, but the wanted sign used to say, hey watch out this character might be a little more dangerous and you should be careful with this person. Now all [wanted] means, in my oppinion, is that some noob spammed a 100k bounty on him as a joke.

I am not a killer, and I've never killed anyone, I don't really like that I now have the same title as people with -10 standing, or large bounties that mean something. Also, I feel bad for the hardcore pirates. The people of note who have bounties that mean something. They should be the ones wearing the bounty sign. Not 95% of the entire player base.

It's not a big deal, but in every society, wanted means something drastic. Can you please keep it that way in EVE?

I suggest that the wanted sign isn't shown unless a bounty over 100 million is issued. I'd also like to discuss ways players can reduce or eliminate their own bounties, but I don't have any ideas. I just don't like the idea that I now am "wanted" for 100k for the rest of my Eve Career or until I die.

Thanks for reading everyone please don't increase my bounty just to troll me but I know you will but I will take that punishment in hope that I can make a difference and better EVE online

I don't think small bounties should have a wanted sign. I think most of the bitterness will go away. I think Wanted should scaled and colored to the size of bounty.

Small yellow WANTED = a bounty over 500M isk
Medium orange WANTED = a bounty over 5B isk
Large red WANTED = a bounty over 50B isk

Corps
y = 5B
o = 50B
r = 500B

Alliances
y = 50B
o = 500B
r = 5T

I kind of agree with the general jist of what the OP is getting at here. The new bounty system is awesome, and i think it kind of loses its awesomeness by being so universal. Literally, everyone will have one soon enough. The extra 20% isk from kills will just become a fact of life. All of new eden is going to be wanted!

Perhaps there should be a benifit to having a high sec status. Those that have gone to the trouble to build it up to maximum maybe should be immune to bounties? Or have a cap? Afterall, now there isn't any point to having a high sec status now, at all, it's been made completely redundant.

Hi CCP!

I have a small complaint. I don't like that everyone is spamming eachother with very small amount of bounty. Now everyone has Wanted signs on them. It's cool that people have a bounty on them, but the wanted sign used to say, hey watch out this character might be a little more dangerous and you should be careful with this person. Now all [wanted] means, in my oppinion, is that some noob spammed a 100k bounty on him as a joke.

I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.


Lilly Becky
Miner in a Venture


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So stupid

You forgot that you can be WANTED by some criminal. Bounty hunters do not work for police all the time. You have that kind of stuff in one movie :D

I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.


Lilly Becky
Miner in a Venture


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So stupid

I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.


Lilly Becky
Miner in a Venture


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So stupid

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.

That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.

I agree , i worked my ass off to go below -5 just to get a cool bounty on my head and a nice wanted sign and then i had to sec grind ALL the way up.All this just to get it removed by ccp a few days ago because EVERYONE deserves the notable wanted sign.


THEY DO NOT , becoming 'wanted' takes work and effort ...... damn you CCP , damn you.Give me back my meaningfull 'wanted' tag NOW.

That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.

That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.

That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

How a bout a "Wanted for LULZ" and a standard "Wanted for Crimes" sign (in connection with your sec.).?

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

The sandbox isn't for everyone vOv

I would give "wanted" sign only to people who have done a crime that ended in killrights for the victim.

Dunno, are any of the guys you're mocking able to kick you and your corp out?

I would give "wanted" sign only to people who have done a crime that ended in killrights for the victim.

It makes the "has bounty" colortag on the overview useless.

We need a way to filter based on the bounty amount so that only players with larger then "X" bounty will show up with the tag on our overview and in local. Personally, I'd set the default at 10M ISK.

Is that 10m in general to suicide gank them?

10m on someone with a killright in high sec?

10m if they're in low sec?

What can I spend 10m on and feel comfortable knowin you're out there?

Having a "Wanted" sign next to our name puts me in the "evil" category in my opinion. This is because in every game, movie, and real life historical event I've ever heard of , it was criminals who were "Wanted".

Here is the problem.

This game is a sandbox. We create our own realities about our avatars and who WE are as players in this game.

Some of us are business minded miners and manufacturers. Some of us are evil villains. Some of us are noble soldiers fighting for our factions cause.

The point is that we all get to choose who we are and make decisions that reflect those choices. One of those decisions is to decide that we are good, not evil.

Having a "Wanted" sign next to our name puts me in the "evil" category in my opinion. This is because in every game, movie, and real life historical event I've ever heard of , it was criminals who were "Wanted".

Yes, it's a sandbox, but this sandbox is allowing us the freedom to choose the personality of our character, and that means choosing to refrain from war (not that I do that), and to be on the side of "good". Now that choice has been removed.

I know it sounds corny and stupid, but I always kinda viewed my character as a good person. I would get someone to hull and then let them go, or fly around in my Logi. I don't want to view the fantasy version of myself as a wanted criminal. That might make me a carebear, but I embrace it, and I accept it, and that is my right to choose in a sandbox game. Or it was my right, but now I'm a wanted criminal as soon as some nobody with 100k gets bored.

Here is the problem.

This game is a sandbox. We create our own realities about our avatars and who WE are as players in this game.

Some of us are business minded miners and manufacturers. Some of us are evil villains. Some of us are noble soldiers fighting for our factions cause.

The point is that we all get to choose who we are and make decisions that reflect those choices. One of those decisions is to decide that we are good, not evil.

Having a "Wanted" sign next to our name puts me in the "evil" category in my opinion. This is because in every game, movie, and real life historical event I've ever heard of , it was criminals who were "Wanted".

Yes, it's a sandbox, but this sandbox is allowing us the freedom to choose the personality of our character, and that means choosing to refrain from war (not that I do that), and to be on the side of "good". Now that choice has been removed.

I know it sounds corny and stupid, but I always kinda viewed my character as a good person. I would get someone to hull and then let them go, or fly around in my Logi. I don't want to view the fantasy version of myself as a wanted criminal. That might make me a carebear, but I embrace it, and I accept it, and that is my right to choose in a sandbox game. Or it was my right, but now I'm a wanted criminal as soon as some nobody with 100k gets bored.

10m is nothing to most players. If you get 20% of a bounty, that means you need 20m minimum bounty to get full reward on say a guardian or Curse kill.

I'd say don't show wanted until you've done enough damage to make people want you dead for real, and that's around 100m isk minimum.

The problem here is you have a fundamental misconception of what the wanted sign means in this game. All it means is that someone somewhere has said "i will pay x amount of isk for this person to die", doesnt matter why the bounty was placed, who the person is or wether they view themselves as a good guy.

Right.

IF it meant (I will pay X amount for this person to die), then I would understand the "Wanted" sign.

But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.

That's what I'm saying. If you make bounties 100m minimum for wanted sign, than it means someone WANTS you to die and that you are truely wanted. Not this spam we see now which is just immature trolls thinking they are new and creative by putting a 100k bounty on their friends / everyone they run into.

Right now, it's turned into a game of TAG where we try to tag everyone who doesn't have a bounty on themselves. It's not about paying form someone to die. Let's make this a system where you have to pay a serious valuable amount that bounty hunters will truly pursue.

Getting a bounty on you should mean "Wow, I should be careful who I run into". Not, "Oh, look, now I'm like everyone else".

Right.

IF it meant (I will pay X amount for this person to die), then I would understand the "Wanted" sign.

But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.

That's what I'm saying. If you make bounties 100m minimum for wanted sign, than it means someone WANTS you to die and that you are truely wanted. Not this spam we see now which is just immature trolls thinking they are new and creative by putting a 100k bounty on their friends / everyone they run into.

Right now, it's turned into a game of TAG where we try to tag everyone who doesn't have a bounty on themselves. It's not about paying form someone to die. Let's make this a system where you have to pay a serious valuable amount that bounty hunters will truly pursue.

Getting a bounty on you should mean "Wow, I should be careful who I run into". Not, "Oh, look, now I'm like everyone else".

Why do you get to decide at what point I price "I want you dead for real"?

Maybe I just want someone to kill a single frigate of yours?

Yup. Punish those who post evil contrary opinions on the forums. That's worthy of a hangin' doncha know ?

This response honestly represents the best grasp of basic economics I have seen in a long time.

Again: Why?

new bounty feature:


Generally enhancing or hindering general chat communications?

Generally enhancing or hindering the reactions of players met in space?

Generally enhancing or hindering the trust between your corpmates and alliance mates?

Generally enhancing or hindering your time online?

In the real world bad guys do place bounties on good guys. Prior to Retribution this was also being done in Eve, but it required a person to manually do the verification and payouts. Now the game does that task for them.

In the real world bad guys do place bounties on good guys. Prior to Retribution this was also being done in Eve, but it required a person to manually do the verification and payouts. Now the game does that task for them.

Right, but bad guys didn't place bounties on every good person in the world.

It's unrealistic. Eve is a sandbox, but it's realistic, and it's immersive. This takes away from the realism.

In the real world bad guys do place bounties on good guys. Prior to Retribution this was also being done in Eve, but it required a person to manually do the verification and payouts. Now the game does that task for them.

They don't, because they have no reason to. "For laughs" has never been an acceptable reason in the real world, but it is in EVE, and always has been.

The funny thing is that you have a misconception. Like Soundwave tried to justify "everyone is bountied" via a roleplay reason "everyone can make weapons or ships for whatever; it's all way; we are all marked to die yay"

Some people in this thread are pure unadulterated pragmatists/powergamers who are like "hey, scale bountys, etc, so I can see who I can pop/we-can-gank/it's-worth-it".....

...while others are actually consciously or sub-consciously struggling with the idea that this crap Bounty b****** is justified on a roleplay basis. These people are actually now wondering if roleplay is supposed to be important in EVE, but add in the vicious and small-minded nature of the playerbase and suddenly some people are questioning some very basic questions.


I mean damn, the game already costs money to just play, add in all those who buy plex to pvp or w/e, but no ... "we've decided to enhance the paranoia for roleplay purposes".... no....


just NO.

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

It would be great with an option to customize the requirements for wanted logo to be shown, i guess some players are only interressed is find players with a high bounty, while other would like to avoid players with a low security standing.

When I think of things players do "for laughs" in EVE, I think can flipping, or suicide ganking, or putting illegal drugs in your mining op's Orca. These are small things you can do to a small amount of people at a time, and there is repercussions for your actions. (Most of the time).

Most of the things people do to troll that have a large impact on the entire player base are changed to discourage that type of behavior. I'm just asking that they discourage trolls from abusing the bounty system by posting small amounts of bounty on people. A bounty should be a large amount of money, and be large enough that it has respectable if not serious connotations.

Make the wanted sign MEAN something. Please.

The point wasn't that this was a roleplay feature, the point was that EVE is a sandbox and I want you to define who you want to put a bounty on. This is a social mechanic that let's you choose who you think is bad or deserves a bounty.

I'm totally with you that it is pretty much impossible to draw a line between those who might be "innocent" and those who might be not. But...

The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

The actual problem with that is that people believe what they see, not what they hear. If there is a new player who might have heard of this helpful guy mentioned before he might want to know more about him and the first impression that he will get from this guy's information window is a big picture of a wanted criminal. Maybe just because some people thought it would be funny to place bounties on him. But this could just ruin a character's reputation in the long term. Because the wanted stamp on his picture is just naturally being associated with terms like "criminal", "fugitive", "thief", "griefer" a.s.o. Thats just normal but non the less is it simply not right.
On the other hand side this person has absolutely no chance of getting rid of this bounty via legal actions. It's a pretty one sided system right now. People in EVE can get rid of their bad security status but not of their bounty? I would say their should be taken a bit more effort in developing a rather fair gameplay mechanic. I don't say make it easy for people to get rid of their bounty but there should at least be a chance for it besides getting blown up.

The bounty hunting system itself as it is right now is a well done first step but nothing more.

But as my last boss told me once: "I don't employ you for giving me problems. I employ you for bringing me solutions." I of course have at least a rough idea for a possible solution.

My suggestion:

Make a kind of contract system out of it. While leaving the bounty information on the character's information window untouched so that everybody can see it, just add the wanted stamp in case the contract for hunting a certain person has been accepted by a bounty hunter.
The downside might be that the person would know when he is hunted (and everyone else too) BUT the uncertainty of when he might be blown up and who is hunting him would still be kept up. In this case he might also be able of hiring mercenaries for his own safety which would just be fair.
But the real deal with this idea is, that his reputation was untouched until he is hunted.

In addition to that we would of course need a game mechanic that gives the character a chance to at least reduce his bounty by legal acts before a bounty hunter is accepting the contract.

So, I would like to hear what you, CCP Soundwave, think of it.

The point wasn't that this was a roleplay feature, the point was that EVE is a sandbox and I want you to define who you want to put a bounty on. This is a social mechanic that let's you choose who you think is bad or deserves a bounty.

You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings.

We're well aware of the consequences, they're entirely intended. It's not that no one brought those things up, it's that you and I fundamentally disagree on how this feature should work, which is completely fine.

Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made.

You=everyone. there is no roleplay. sanbox isn't sandbox when you are funnel'd into a potentional for-profit person because you be seen in a chat. but this isn't limited to being bountied "only because you exist in a chat", it also applies to the fact that a large part of the free will of this game is gone now. if someone even knows that you exist, then suddenly you have these consequences on you. This changes the open world nature of the game and frankly I'm surprised no one brought these basic things up at your meetings.

I love the new bounty system. **** all you whining bitches.

[The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

The actual problem with that is that people believe what they see, not what they hear. If there is a new player who might have heard of this helpful guy mentioned before he might want to know more about him and the first impression that he will get from this guy's information window is a big picture of a wanted criminal.

This. ^^

I've lost all my business contracts for selling Fuel Blocks over this so I'm just simply leaving the game until the entire thing is' re-thunked'.

Do you speak for the whole playerbase?

80% of everyone I've talked to is pretty happy with this, and I have a very wide circle of contacts.

I thought you were quitting for good forever for realsies this time.

Right.

IF it meant (I will pay X amount for this person to die), then I would understand the "Wanted" sign.

But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.

That's what I'm saying. If you make bounties 100m minimum for wanted sign, than it means someone WANTS you to die and that you are truely wanted. Not this spam we see now which is just immature trolls thinking they are new and creative by putting a 100k bounty on their friends / everyone they run into.

Right now, it's turned into a game of TAG where we try to tag everyone who doesn't have a bounty on themselves. It's not about paying form someone to die. Let's make this a system where you have to pay a serious valuable amount that bounty hunters will truly pursue.

Getting a bounty on you should mean "Wow, I should be careful who I run into". Not, "Oh, look, now I'm like everyone else".

Most of the people I've spoken with don't like it.

Camon, why would they like it? You literally took "Wanted" and threw it out the window in terms of connotation and what it means. 100k bounty means absolutely nothing. It means nothing to the person who paid the bounty. It means nothing to the person who has it. It means nothing to the person who receives the reward. (yay, 20k!). All it means is a big ugly WANTED sign that gouges into my fantasy world of having a (good) player.

Right. There is, indeed a disagrement on how the feature should work. Clearly the playerbase isn't seeing this system in the way you had intended. Is this what you intended? Retribution of the Trolls expansion? Clearly some changes need to be made.

The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.

CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.

Don't say playerbase.

I do not share your view, as do what seems most people here.

The only problem is that some people have some sort of strange pop culture definition of the word "wanted".
To much Dog or something.

Yes, because in the world you live in Wanted doesn't have criminal or high profile connotations to it.

....and so it begins....yet again........bs shields up folks !

edit: I'm referring to the two posts above you, Vixen.

Yes, because in the world you live in Wanted doesn't have criminal or high profile connotations to it. You're a Goon. You jump on the bandwagon. I imagine if enough of your friends start not liking the system, you will be right with them.

However, what this new bounty system allows us to do is to put money on eachother and say "I want to reward someone for killing this guy or this corp or this alliance". It then becomes a matter of whether someone decides that money is worth it (in hi-sec, 100k ISK is never worth it. In lowsec it almost always is). If you have a high enough bounty that someone might be willing to take a CONCORDOKKEN to kill you, you now can choose whether you just want to accept it, or if you want to live life looking over your shoulder.

How many more times in the lifecycle of eve are we gonna have new features that fracture the database, make the Goons behave at their most animalistic, cause emergency CSM meeting, followed by nerfing the game, then everyone forgets about it 6 months later....then lather, rinse, repeat ?

It's gotten so so monotonous. A million bored yawns are to be had for all, really. Same old nonsense, different day.

MAybe EVE players are not really as imaginative as we all thought.

Someone should have held your string harder, cause you are WAY out there.

This is assuming that the Goons analyze and behave this way.

They do not.

What does any of this have to do with the goons? I'm not a goon. You're not a goon. Natsett is a goon but that doesn't make him wrong a priori. I don't even speak to any goons on a regular basis, which actually makes them, strangely, one of the least represented in my circle of contacts.

Get over your obsession. Learn to play EVE the way EVE is meant to be played, which means that I can do anything I can manage to do to you, and you can do anything you want to do back.

Eve isn't completely evil. Its not necessary that you be evil in it.

What eve is, is essentially uncontrolled. Except for the worst excesses of human behavior, and the limitations of game mechanics, there is nothing stopping how we interact.

Last night, while we were on a roam, we took some time for no other reason than whimsy to target up -and then rep- a target. Why did we do this? Because we felt like it.

Hell, lets get back to your Goon obsession. Goons have every reason to hate me maybe worse than they do you. I'm a roleplayer. I spend my time in game pretending to be a Sansha's Nation loyalist (and doing a good job at it). We pick our targets based on roleplay consideration. We interact with people in character except in a few specific instances.

We still play the game, however. We don't demand that people leave us alone to do our thing. When people insult us in local for being RPers, we deal with it, and then usually go about our business of blowing them up or getting blown up by them. Some of our guys mine and do industry as their main thing, and they deal with it all the same.

So when I hear people like you coming into the forums and bitching that someone is doing mean things to them, I laugh, and I laugh heartilly, because you still haven't learned that the way to stop the bully in the absence of any authority figure is to punch the bully harder than he punches you.

Get over it. Start playing the game.

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

Are you kidding? I create websites in this game and charge 10-20b isk per website.

I'm writing that I got a bounty of 100k on me. You think me putting a 1b ISK on them is going to change anything in this game? Punching the bully harder is wrong. You are wrong.

Also, I don't have an obsession with goons. In fact, this last post is the only post I've EVER mentioned them in on this forum. Yes, I think they are a bunch of bandwagon noobs who join just to join the biggest group, but I could care less about them.

Thanks for the kind advice, but I'm not here to waste my time running around shooting people. I did enough of that for 8 years in multiplayer DOOM.

I guess I am getting old finally as I find all of this "EVE is completely evil" getting more and more nonsensical and frankly childish.

I'm really starting to watch what I do with my time, and frankly the fact I only had time to read ONE novel the past entire year is telling me a lot. (I usually read over 100 books a year).

In-game consequences for meta-game or out-of-game actions are not a problem.

why can't i bounty ccp and isd employees they are the worst monsters of all

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

Did we skip to the date of December 25th while I wasn't looking ? Until then my job is to get under certain people's skin, doncha know?

You clearly don't understand what 'wanted' means.

Wanted persons are criminals to the state. An industrialist is not a dangerous criminal.

Then call it something else like 'Bountied' what what do I know.

There's just no reason as to how a little miner in a Venture should have a huge red WANTED sign across their profile picture, that is ridiculous'


Also, imo it should all be underground and not advertised publicly.. People are not wanted by CONCORD - > but actually by other players. It's like a hitman system. You don't go about putting that in the news paper do you

might i suggest that time spent badposting about a game you have declared you are quitting is a prime candidate for time to reallocate

You do when you're a capsuleer, and by lore immune to the vast majority of all prosecution.

you might say "but you can't shoot them" but RIGHT NOW i should be able to take up a collection for whoever caps you on the ccp roam

tell me the difference of killing someone or paying another person to do it

yeah exactly, it's the same thing and concord should intervene accordingly

it shouldn't be as public as it is and a miner should not run around with qa huge red WANTED sign in their head. it's utterly stupid

CONCORD already allows you to pay to kill someone. Happy to help.

Most of the people I've spoken with don't like it.

Camon, why would they like it? You literally took "Wanted" and threw it out the window in terms of connotation and what it means. 100k bounty means absolutely nothing. It means nothing to the person who paid the bounty. It means nothing to the person who has it. It means nothing to the person who receives the reward. (yay, 20k!). All it means is a big ugly WANTED sign that gouges into my fantasy world of having a (good) player.

You clearly don't understand what 'wanted' means.

Wanted persons are criminals to the state. An industrialist is not a dangerous criminal other people shouldn't let in for a cup of tea.

Then call it something else like 'Bountied' what what do I know.

There's just no reason as to how a little miner in a Venture should have a huge red WANTED sign across their profile picture, that is ridiculous'


Also, imo it should all be underground and not advertised publicly.. People are not wanted by CONCORD - > but actually by other players. It's like a hitman system. You don't go about putting that in the news paper do you

Wanted means exactly that, wanted. It's irrelevant if you have a high standing with any NPC faction, as this is and always has been a player driven mechanic.

They are wanted, because someone has deemed them wanted and they have placed a bounty on their head to tell all the player base this is the case.

That little miner just so happened to mine a roid someone was after and that meant bounty.
Or that little miner it just so happens, to be constantly undercutting someone with their minerals and that meant bounty.

There is always a reason, just obviously not the reasons you want them to be.

Badposting is only an opinion, not a fact.

Old bounty system doesnt work, people ***** and whine.

New bounty system does work and people ***** and whine that they have a bounty and dont think they deserve it because they are not (a) highsec ganker (b) lowsec pirate (c) goon

Because we know (a)(b)(c) are the only bad people in EvE

Or that bounties are any indication that the person is bad.

So you had no argument against what I said. OK.

What you said had nothing to do with what I made an argument against.....................................


Maybe that is why I didn't argue what you said. herp derp

Allow bounties to continue to be placed willi-nillie, I'm all for it...
Let bounties expire after "X" amount of time, allowing for ones slate to be cleasend...
Plaster a wanted sign on those who have a negative Sec Status, after all, they are ones who are actively engaging in acts against Concord regulations...

Allow bounties to continue to be placed willi-nillie, I'm all for it...
Let bounties expire after "X" amount of time, allowing for ones slate to be cleasend...
Plaster a wanted sign on those who have a negative Sec Status, after all, they are ones who are actively engaging in acts against Concord regulations...

I wonder, would it help if the tag was some other word than WANTED would people be happier?

Cause, you see, this bounty system is just a incarnation of the "merc marketplace" system really. Having a bounty doesn't mean you're bad, it means someone wants you dead.

Bounties are no more of a bad thing than someone setting you -10 really...

And for all you "bad guys" that feel that being wanted is now meaningless...
A) Was it really that meaningful before? Most guys put bounties on themselves anyway in the old system
B) Being -10 doesn't matter anymore? Would you prefer if sec status was shown more prominently on your character info so that the fact you're -10 can be worn large and proud to intimidate the bears?

Perhaps the bears would like to wear their GOOD sec status just as proudly so that they don't feel bad about their bounty?

Allow bounties to continue to be placed willi-nillie, I'm all for it...
Let bounties expire after "X" amount of time, allowing for ones slate to be cleasend...
Plaster a wanted sign on those who have a negative Sec Status, after all, they are ones who are actively engaging in acts against Concord regulations...

You mean what wanted means? OK, sure.

You keep herping and derping, it's what you're good at.

What problem does this arbitrary theft of player assets solve?

If you would only be as good at reading so that you could provide something constructive to an argument, that would be great. Also you should cut short on your ignorance and stupidity. First you mis read, then you get confronted with it and then you proceed to not read it again.

You're worth nobody's time lol

Nice, I see you're arguments shifted to personal attacks. That's always a guarantee of success. Good move sir, good move.

Just telling you the truth. If you intentionally don't want to contribute with anything just leave.

bye

Let bounties expire after "X" amount of time, allowing for ones slate to be cleasend...

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

Allowing ones slate to be cleansend does sound very "EvE" at all. Its the reason that CCP dont let you hide corp history or change your name

Expiring bounties after 3 months means that the genuinely wanted people have managed to avoid been hunted down for that long, and clears out the mess from the 100kers.

Keeping the name and corp history isn't keeping the slate dirty, it's just history. Your true slate is clensable, you can work off bad security and standings and there is no history kept for that. Your market and contract history isn't visible to others, neither is mission history or killed/killing history ( which is why there are third party killboards)

Its a player dominated game and what other players think of you should be more important than what NPCs think of you.

Just because you dont shoot innocent miners doesnt mean someone doesnt want you dead...I've war dec'd whole alliances just because one of their members was 'a bit of an idiot' in public channels. Why should bounties be any differance?

Actually you could make time clearing viable...

After three months, any bounty not collected is returned to the issuer, minus say 20% handling charge. That way all the bounties that get placed by disposable alts (I'm looking at you, Sukie Loober) that people use to hide their real identity will eventually fade away as those alts get recycled.

Someone who is serious will simply reissue the bounty, or come to accept that no one is interested in trying to collect on it. But all of the "lulz" bounties will eventually go away, because "lulz" mentality people have the attention span of a gnat and the memory of a goldfish.

Just an FYI, I'm giving wanted status to anyone and everyone ingame. I set aside two billion isk for such a task. You'll get the minimal bounty of course, but your portrait will get that lovely large red Wanted sign. It's my goal to give everyone a bounty for Christmas. I don't have a lot of time so I have to work extra hard in multiple chat windows. Everyone in Recruitment, Help, EvE Radio, Jita Local, NPC Corp, and various other channels is getting a free wanted sign.

Oh the tears and crying that comes with this action makes it completely worth the effort.

Do that but without the 20% handling fee and we have a winner.

The bounty should only be able to be placed on someone who another person currently has kill rights on, not necessarily placed by the person who has the kill rights, or one who has killed too many people in their career. If you attempt to place a bounty on someone who has not, you should get a message telling you that they have done nothing to warrant it. Your personal opinion of them being an idiot on chat is irrelevant, you have the ability to block them on chat, so use it.

I love the new bounty system. **** all you whining bitches.

Because a bounty is something that denotes that the pilot has done something to earn that bounty.

Like I said, the bounty placed on a random pilot just for giggles makes it totally meaningless.

Also, if newer players start getting ganked for absolutely no reason in highsec, it's going to result in a lot of players unsubbing because it just turns highsec into another lowsec. If you want to kill someone, just place a bounty on them and it's OK, you'll get the bounty back when you kill them. I can really see that going down well, youll have only hardcore PVP players and nobody else in game. Cowards will target new players in highsec this way because they are easy targets. Eve wouldn't be able to survive that sort of revenue loss because there are not enough hardcore PVPers to keep the game funded alone.

In reality, this is nothing less than legalising a griefing tactic. Place bounty, kill, recover isk placed as bounty, place another bounty, wait for player to undock and kill his next ship. repeat until player quits and then move onto the next player. The problem is that those who quit will probably unsub as well.

The bounty should only be able to be placed on someone who another person currently has kill rights on, not necessarily placed by the person who has the kill rights, or one who has killed too many people in their career. If you attempt to place a bounty on someone who has not, you should get a message telling you that they have done nothing to warrant it. Your personal opinion of them being an idiot on chat is irrelevant, you have the ability to block them on chat, so use it.

Handling fee is to discourage the use of "bounty bots" that would just repeat bounties as they get refunded. Eventually the bot-alt would run out of ISK, at least if their main doesn't keep refilling their purse.

Plus it would also discourage the people throwing a billion ISK boutny out for lulz, knowing that they'd be tossing 200,000,000 ISK out the window if that person decides to just dock up and switch to their alt for three months.

In other words, you'd be less likely to want to "invest" in a bounty that you didn't think would be collected on in three months.

It's not unprecedented, either. Game mechanics tax pretty much everything else in EvE. Planet export tax, brokers fees, SCC taxes, corp taxes. Why not a tax on bounties, too? And it's just done after the fact on one's that aren't collected on... so it would still be the best deal in town.

In reality, this is nothing less than legalising a griefing tactic. Place bounty, kill, recover isk placed as bounty, place another bounty, wait for player to undock and kill his next ship. repeat until player quits and then move onto the next player. The problem is that those who quit will probably unsub as well.

The bounty should only be able to be placed on someone who another person currently has kill rights on, not necessarily placed by the person who has the kill rights, or one who has killed too many people in their career. If you attempt to place a bounty on someone who has not, you should get a message telling you that they have done nothing to warrant it. Your personal opinion of them being an idiot on chat is irrelevant, you have the ability to block them on chat, so use it.

I would personally also add an option to "pay for your crimes", i.e. remove the amount of bounty by paying five times the amount to concord (or bounty office, whatever). You can already do the exact same thing by popping ships, so this would just make it more convenient. Plus the obvious advantage is that this is one more money sink. EVE needs more money sinks.

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Hi CCP!

I have a small complaint. I don't like that everyone is spamming eachother with very small amount of bounty. Now everyone has Wanted signs on them. It's cool that people have a bounty on them, but the wanted sign used to say, hey watch out this character might be a little more dangerous and you should be careful with this person. Now all [wanted] means, in my oppinion, is that some noob spammed a 100k bounty on him as a joke.

I am not a killer, and I've never killed anyone, I don't really like that I now have the same title as people with -10 standing, or large bounties that mean something. Also, I feel bad for the hardcore pirates. The people of note who have bounties that mean something. They should be the ones wearing the bounty sign. Not 95% of the entire player base.

It's not a big deal, but in every society, wanted means something drastic. Can you please keep it that way in EVE?

I suggest that the wanted sign isn't shown unless a bounty over 100 million is issued. I'd also like to discuss ways players can reduce or eliminate their own bounties, but I don't have any ideas. I just don't like the idea that I now am "wanted" for 100k for the rest of my Eve Career or until I die.

Thanks for reading everyone please don't increase my bounty just to troll me but I know you will but I will take that punishment in hope that I can make a difference and better EVE online

What would be good is to remove the 'Wanted' label from bounties all together and instead reserve the signs for those -5 or lower sec status. Given the status symbol back to the criminals.

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but the wanted sign used to say, hey watch out this character might be a little more dangerous and you should be careful with this person.

If a 15 billion isk bounty meant a 40% payout, and a 500 million isk bounty meant 20%, who do you think the bounty hunter is more likely to hunt down?