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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:37:00 -
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I wish you could pay money to have NPC's attack people in high sec.
The bad post bounty thing is awesome, but it just seem so pointless to put bounties on people who never leave high sec.
It's like being able to wardec an NPC corp, but not be allowed to shoot them in high sec stil.
I want to hire NPC mercenary pirates that can be used to go after these people who are WANTED in high sec. Any bounty the NPC got from killing the player, would then go towards the bounty paid out if someone blows up the NPC. Including a sum of the money paid to hire them. |

Pretty GuyYeah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:46:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I wish you could pay money to have NPC's attack people in high sec.
The bad post bounty thing is awesome, but it just seem so pointless to put bounties on people who never leave high sec.
It's like being able to wardec an NPC corp, but not be allowed to shoot them in high sec stil.
I want to hire NPC mercenary pirates that can be used to go after these people who are WANTED in high sec. Any bounty the NPC got from killing the player, would then go towards the bounty paid out if someone blows up the NPC. Including a sum of the money paid to hire them.
yes, let's add a feature that reduces player interaction,
haha what else you got |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1833
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ben Fenix wrote:[The problem with the current system is that it marks just everyone who has a bounty on him as a criminal. No matter what. And thats not just plain silly but more than unrealistic and even unfair.
CCP, you propagate the fact that a character's reputation in EVE is his most valuable property. But with this patch, you just damaged everyones image who might play the game in a more helpful manner than others. People who are known for their selfless acts of helping other players (especially helping newbies) are now marked as suspicious.
The actual problem with that is that people believe what they see, not what they hear. If there is a new player who might have heard of this helpful guy mentioned before he might want to know more about him and the first impression that he will get from this guy's information window is a big picture of a wanted criminal. This. ^^ I've lost all my business contracts for selling Fuel Blocks over this so I'm just simply leaving the game until the entire thing is' re-thunked'. We will miss you.
The investment required to achieve this result was worth every ISK, though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
624
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:11:00 -
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How do you lose your business contacts over selling fuel blocks, and how is that related to the bounty system?
I'm so confused. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1833
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:14:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:How do you lose your business contacts over selling fuel blocks, and how is that related to the bounty system?
I'm so confused. Risk increase due to bounty on head means his "big contracts" are now too risky for his patrons.
I think it's an awesome result of the new bounty system! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
627
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:17:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:How do you lose your business contacts over selling fuel blocks, and how is that related to the bounty system?
I'm so confused. Risk increase due to bounty on head means his "big contracts" are now too risky for his patrons. I think it's an awesome result of the new bounty system! So you're saying that he's afraid that someone he traded with will shoot him now because they can easily see that he's wanted by someone and therefore has a bounty on his head.
I got it now. |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
172
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:29:00 -
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Vixen Soul wrote:
But in reality, all these 100k and 1m and even 10m bounties mean is (haha, you now have a wanted sign). I have set bounties on players I want to die, and it wasn't a joke bounty of 10m.
Just checked last night (was out of town). OP did NOT place a bounty on me. I did find that OP lost a Pilgrim that resulted in his/her bounty being paid out in its entirety. I have placed 10 million isk more on OP's character. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |

Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
89
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:33:00 -
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I want the ability to bounty the NPC empires. Only by mailspamming the thousands of people in all the newb and FW corps over and over and over for 50m a pop can we demonstrate how functionally annoying these mails are to get. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5450
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:53:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:I want the ability to bounty the NPC empires. Only by mailspamming the thousands of people in all the newb and FW corps over and over and over for 50m a pop can we demonstrate how functionally annoying these mails are to get.
You don't treasure those bounty notifications? 
Well I guess when you only get a few they feel more important.  MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Vixen Soul
Stargate Systems Zombie Ninja Space Bears
115
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Posted - 2012.12.12 03:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Abditus Cularius wrote:I want the ability to bounty the NPC empires. Only by mailspamming the thousands of people in all the newb and FW corps over and over and over for 50m a pop can we demonstrate how functionally annoying these mails are to get. You don't treasure those bounty notifications?  Well I guess when you only get a few they feel more important. 
They will be treasured when they mean something. Right now they just mean some noob seen you in local, and put 100k on you. SoulCreative
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
230
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Posted - 2012.12.12 03:43:00 -
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wait, bounties are used as something other than a second bank? http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2226
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Posted - 2012.12.12 04:00:00 -
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Welcome to the modern EVE online, where there is noone so dangerous and deadly as the AFK miner in the Mackinaw. But don't worry, the appropriate authorities are rapidly posting bounties on the destruction of these miscreants!
Elon Musk is launching rockets into space, and started off as a dodgey third party payment processor.
The Mittani is deploying thousands of minions to address the evils of AFK mining in hisec, and mostly plays the game while not even connected to the Internet!
What did you do with your day? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
230
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Posted - 2012.12.12 04:02:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: The Mittani is deploying thousands of minions to address the evils of AFK mining in hisec, and mostly plays the game while not even connected to the Internet!
Thought he was playing MWO. Did he get bored of it like everyone else? lol
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3302

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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:42:00 -
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roigon
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:59:00 -
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I had a wanted sign on me, but then someone killed me and it was gone :(
I like the wanted system, heck it's actually useful now. One person I know was already thinking of becoming an actual bounty hunter. Something which really wasn't feasible before, but could now potentially work.
In the first week after the expansion it's only natural that everyone is putting bounties left and right on everything that moves. That will calm down soon enough, and over time everything will settle in a healthy balance. Maybe not the balance everyone wants or would like, but there will be reasons for the large majority of it.
I also can't wait for the mentioned (in some dev blog somewhere) future possibility to put bounties on structures. Being able to put a bounty on a POS or POCO and let the "free market" take care of it would be a wonderful addition. |

Hekatus
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:11:00 -
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So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.
They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system, because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.
BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?
A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !
So i think the best solution would to remove it completely. There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty. Also configurable ones like the overview settings. |

Pierced Brosmen
Obstergo Exhale.
116
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:06:00 -
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I'm at work so I haven't read more then a handfull of posts here, and the replies from Soundwave, but here's my thought.
Before, the "Wanted" sign meant something. It meant that someone had been a bad boy/girl...
Now the wanted sign is just outright pointless, cause everyone and their dog has a wanted sign if they have logged in since patch day (especially if they have visited Jita), with their 100k isk bounties that indicate that they have to be really really dangerous and bad people...
I'd propose that the "Wanted" tag wouldn't appear until the bounty ammount was significant, otherwise you could just get rid of it alltogether (or hardcode it into all character portraits), cause the way it is now it doesn't mean anything anymore and is just distorting the portrait...
[BTW, I don't mind the wanted tag on my character, cause the bounty ammount on alliance is significant] |

Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
1
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Posted - 2012.12.12 12:00:00 -
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Hekatus wrote:So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.
They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system, because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.
BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?
A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !
So i think the best solution would to remove it completely. There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty. Also configurable ones like the overview settings.
this sums up my feelings pretty well. i'm all for the new system of being able to place a bounty on anyone, however, the sign now means "this pilot flew past a troll"
i'm pretty sure that's NOT the intended meaning
i do like the idea of getting npcs to attack players.. in the beta i saw npc pirate ambuses in some wierd places, like outside stations, and i really miss that
edit: plus this new bounty system reduces the death penalty in many cases, i'll be very surprised if Red vs Blue havent already put huge bounties on each other for the sole reason of death penalty reduction mabey that was intended, but somehow i suspect not |

Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
50
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Posted - 2012.12.12 12:35:00 -
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Bounties sign never ment someone had been a bad boy or girl just that they wanted people to think that and put a bounty on themselfs as outside of null or w-space they are almost impossible to lose and you could get your isk back whenever you needed
It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
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Vixen Soul
Stargate Systems Zombie Ninja Space Bears
120
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:51:00 -
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Eraza wrote:Hekatus wrote:So the problem simply is that many people dont like the wanted-sign on their picture because they dont feel like criminals.
They are right that a wanted-sign implies a criminal usually, which is not the case anymore with the bounty system, because everyone can have a bounty on everyone without any reason.
BUT, if the sign has no meaning, why is it there at all ?
A SIGN is there to have a meaning. If it hasnt, it shouldnt be there !
So i think the best solution would to remove it completely. There are other places where you can check if the person has a bounty. Also configurable ones like the overview settings. this sums up my feelings pretty well. i'm all for the new system of being able to place a bounty on anyone, however, the sign now means "this pilot flew past a troll" i'm pretty sure that's NOT the intended meaning i do like the idea of getting npcs to attack players.. in the beta i saw npc pirate ambuses in some wierd places, like outside stations, and i really miss that edit: oops edit2: damnit, that last edit was nonsence, wake up -> forums -> coffie is an order of event that results in stupid posts
But leave the wanted sign for those high profile enough to deserve it. lol SoulCreative
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Wu Spacey
Spacey Assignments
299
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:55:00 -
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Totally agree with the OP. By all means see how the new bounty system plays out, give it time. Having said that, having "Wanted" plastered all over quite obvious Empire players such as the one I am using to post, just because I undocked in Amarr in an Orca is silly. Having "Wanted" as a banner on a portrait is something that should be earned. Some players are trying to be bad just as hard as I try to be good, with this char. The "wanted" banner looks so cool on a bad character, but it is wasted on a character such as this.
I'm not sure what to suggest, but perhaps the "Wanted" banner only shows if you have a billion or more in bounty? /shrugs |

Phil Da Agony
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:19:00 -
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Wu Spacey wrote:Totally agree with the OP. By all means see how the new bounty system plays out, give it time. Having said that, having "Wanted" plastered all over quite obvious Empire players such as the one I am using to post, just because I undocked in Amarr in an Orca is silly. Having "Wanted" as a banner on a portrait is something that should be earned. Some players are trying to be bad just as hard as I try to be good, with this char. The "wanted" banner looks so cool on a bad character, but it is wasted on a character such as this.
I'm not sure what to suggest, but perhaps the "Wanted" banner only shows if you have a billion or more in bounty? /shrugs
Why not TOP10 Bounties? REAL meaning we talking bout... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
21
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:26:00 -
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Currently, the only thing you can do to a NPC Corporation game-ruiner [read that as 'player'] is put a bounty on them or bump them. Yippee. CCP just doubled the things we can do in one content update!! Huzzah!!
I giggle gleefully when I put a bounty on those game-ruiners. Hate NPC Corporation players. They are ruining our game.
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
172
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Posted - 2012.12.13 01:12:00 -
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I think that it says good things about the bounty system that so many people have so many varied opinions about it. It seems that the mechanic is doing its job with respect to giving satisfaction to those that are putting up bounties and frustration to those that receive them. This makes the mechanic very well balanced in my opinion.
Also, I would like to thank the OP for finally putting a bounty on me. I'm flattered that I have made you frustrated enough to spend 100,000,000 isk to bounty me. I will cherish it until it all gets collected. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |

YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
484
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Posted - 2012.12.13 02:06:00 -
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I say keep the bounties, but remove the big "Wanted" sign.
Leave the wanted sign for those with less than -5 sec status to indicate that they are outlaws. Outlaws like that sort of thing.
yk |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
27
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:58:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists.
Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So stupid How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.
There is balance between what is guilty and innocent , CCP has disrupted this balance. You can not justify saying the player chooses who is guilty. Being the exuberant players that we are, we dont place bounties on someone because they are innocent or guilty, we do it because we CAN and because its funny. I can't tell you how many people have placed bounties on me because they think its hilarious.
At this stage, you have destroyed the intent of even having a bounty system in the first place. Yes, it is nice to place a bounty on anyone at any time we feel it needed; however, the human level of corruption makes this sound good on paper and bad in reality.
Industrial players with + security status have bounties, players with - security status has bounties, pretty soon every player, corp, and alliance will be wanted. There is no innocence when everyone is wanted and without that level of innocence present, the stigma of being wanted as something to be feared no longer applies.
Possible solution: allow players to place bounties on anyone they have a kill right on, limited engagement with, or any other flag related to criminal activity. This would allow bounties to be applied to anyone who breaks the law and also maintain a level of freedom apart from security status. |

Kathtrine
Wandering Lost
2
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:41:00 -
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I was wondering.... could we just make the sign a bit less covering of the picture?
its a bit gaudy and big.
Personally I prefer the old sign.
Other then that the system works great to a point. It will require somebody to actually go after the people I place bounties on.
Only a few annoying things, Alt Trolls that are to chicken to put a bounty on someone with their main. (Coward would be the real word) This cant be fixed though.
Maybe make it so Trial accounts cant put bounties on people?
Thanks CCP for a great sandbox that I can kick sand around everywhere and see who I **** off. If your griefing about EvE online and still paying for it, your hooked and CCP has done thier job.
Now go blow somebodies ship up and stop whining about whatever your are lacking. |

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
83
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:49:00 -
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I think I might just go to Jita sometime and start at the top of local, put a 100k bounty on the first person and work my way down. This will show just how broken this system is. |

Liam Li
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:54:00 -
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To counter this discussion, none my alts has had a bounty placed on them, and I've had then in null-sec, lowsec, traveled through jita, amarr, rens, etc since Retribution released, and the ships they were flying are transport/hauling/pvp ships. If it's THAT big of a deal, just pod yourself with an alt or have a corp member do it and that 100k isk bounty disappears! |

VLAD DRACU
Inflamed Crusty Unit
16
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Posted - 2012.12.13 09:33:00 -
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Bounties working perfectly!
In fact i invite everybody to put a bounty on every miner he can find. Yesterday we ganked multiple hulks and mackinaws with bounties in highsec and the bounty payment was more then enough to buy new gank catalysts.
Awesome, best pirate expansion ever!! Thank you CCP. |
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