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Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 575	Posted - 2012.12.07 11:51:00 - [31] - Quote So now all of a sudden the old bounty system was something other than what it was. You never flew around EVE and saw people with "wanted" tags on them, never, and you know it. Being wanted never meant anything, and you know that as well, as does everyone. Some of you are so worried about having a bounty on you that you're going so far as to rewrite history now.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 575	Posted - 2012.12.07 11:54:00 - [32] - Quote Trdina Rasputin wrote: Methelic Mahyisti wrote: I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists. Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stupid You forgot that you can be WANTED by some criminal. Bounty hunters do not work for police all the time. You have that kind of stuff in one movie :D What the **** do we care about reality for, TV is so much more interesting. I too want to live in a pop culture reality, but I don't know what drugs to take.
Schalac Apocalypse Reign 184	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:01:00 - [33] - Quote Well if you don't want a bounty I can show you how to stop people from being able to place a bounty on you. You can try it on me, I have effectively stopped all further bounties from being applied to my character. EvE mail me and I'll let you in on the secret. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10776	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:02:00 - [34] - Quote Methelic Mahyisti wrote: I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists. Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stupid That industrialist is not innocent, to the person who placed the bounty. Security standing with Concord is irrelevent, as it's player driven not NPC. I will agree on one thing though, the new wanted sign sucks and the old one was far better. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2280	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:06:00 - [35] - Quote Methelic Mahyisti wrote: I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists. Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stupid How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

flakeys Angels of Anarchy AL3XAND3R. 438	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:06:00 - [36] - Quote I agree , i worked my ass off to go below -5 just to get a cool bounty on my head and a nice wanted sign and then i had to sec grind ALL the way up.All this just to get it removed by ccp a few days ago because EVERYONE deserves the notable wanted sign. THEY DO NOT , becoming 'wanted' takes work and effort ...... damn you CCP , damn you.Give me back my meaningfull 'wanted' tag NOW. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wumpscuut Embryodead Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:13:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1853	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:18:00 - [38] - Quote Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team. Oh ho. Seems like someone was caught on the EVEO Forums. In any case, CONCORD has their own ideas about who is a suspect (that everyone can blow up) and a criminal (that they will use their magic police weapons to blow up). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 777	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:35:00 - [39] - Quote Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team. It's actually defending a really good gameplay decision, happy to help.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 245	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:40:00 - [40] - Quote flakeys wrote: I agree , i worked my ass off to go below -5 just to get a cool bounty on my head and a nice wanted sign and then i had to sec grind ALL the way up.All this just to get it removed by ccp a few days ago because EVERYONE deserves the notable wanted sign. THEY DO NOT , becoming 'wanted' takes work and effort ...... damn you CCP , damn you.Give me back my meaningfull 'wanted' tag NOW. How a bout a "Wanted for LULZ" and a standard "Wanted for Crimes" sign (in connection with your sec.).? "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Alua Oresson Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 169	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:42:00 - [41] - Quote Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team. What is naive is trying to get rid of a new tool that the developers have given us in the sandbox. The entire idea of a sandbox is that the creators give us tools to use as we see fit. The purpose isn't to define what is and isn't proper. I have to hand it to CCP, I dismissed the impact that the new bounty system would have. I have to say that I really do enjoy it. I still wish they had or would add an add bounty button to the forums though. They should know by now that some of the best parts of Eve are played outside of the actual game environment. Also, could someone see what OP's current bounty is? I know I added 10 million to it last night and brought it up to 11 million. That is when the OP stopped posting. Is it more than that now? http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Nyaris Wolfe Fade To Darkness 21	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:45:00 - [42] - Quote Another day another "omgbountysareworthless"thread. The novelties not actually worn off yet folks, you actually have to wait for it to do that I am an Alt who's main is too damn cheap to sub. http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ *Brony Capsuleer best Capsuleer!*
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 285	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:46:00 - [43] - Quote Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team. Actually, it would be more naive to assume that bounties are something that a criminal can't place on you just because you looked at him funny. A "bounty" is just another word for a "price on your head". The police might offer a bounty to hunt down a suspect of parole violation, or a criminal might put a price on someone's head for, as stated, looking at him funny. It doesn't matter what the reason behind the bounty is, the fact is that you should be as much of a target for the criminals as much as they are a target for the police, if for no other reason than you might be producing a product that they want the market for, and you're in their way. Or... you might have looked at him funny. It doesn't matter, players, even criminals, have always been able to kill you. They've even been able to offer rewards for doing so. What do you think Hulkageddon was, a tickatape parade? The new bounty system doesn't make you any more or less fair game then you already are every time you undock, except now it's formalised in such a manner where, at the very least, you can bounty anyone you want to as well. For whatever reason you like. Even if someone looks at you funny. But it is naive to think that bounties aren't placed on people who have done nothing wrong nearly every single day. That brave girl Malala has a bounty on her, thanks to the Taliban. Do you think she deserves it? I've got half a billion on me thanks to a forum argument. Oh many lulz have been had watching people try to claim it in high sec and get concorded because they forget that bounties don't equal kill rights. Anyway, be careful about throwing words like naive around, especially when it's done so naively You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10606	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:46:00 - [44] - Quote Wumpscuut Embryodead wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. That's about the most naive opinion from a Dev that I could ever imagine. Either it's naive, or it's stolidly and dismissively supporting a really bad gameplay decision by the development team. What's na+»ve about it? Alternatively, what makes it a bad gameplay decision? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Mr Pragmatic 122	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:52:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Methelic Mahyisti wrote: I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists. Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stupid How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. What do you mean "You people"?!?! is that some slur against the minmater? Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) - "What are your modules like?"
Merouk Baas 56	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:52:00 - [46] - Quote Color-code the Wanted sign based on the amount of the bounty. Blue-white for 100k, going to Red for 1 billion or more.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 539	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:57:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. How about a new player in the game who hasn't even started the tutorial yet, and hasn't trained any XP, never killed anything and never mined an asteroid, never even undocked. A "newborn" character. BAM, wanted. I'm with the OP on this one, it looks rather silly. Might be a good idea to add "Wanted" to the forums, on the character picture. If after a few months every bloody character posting on the forums has a "Wanted" under it, perhaps then you guys will come around. And as a sidenote, industrialist building guns is not innocent? How about a factory worker producing a chemical that will become gunpowder eventually? Is he innocent? Or the miner procuring metals that will become either cookware or a gun part, he's not innocent either? Why not just say it is totally arbitrary? Which totally supports the OP's argument that it makes the system meaningless.

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2284	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:00:00 - [48] - Quote The sandbox isn't for everyone vOv

flakeys Angels of Anarchy AL3XAND3R. 439	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:03:00 - [49] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: flakeys wrote: I agree , i worked my ass off to go below -5 just to get a cool bounty on my head and a nice wanted sign and then i had to sec grind ALL the way up.All this just to get it removed by ccp a few days ago because EVERYONE deserves the notable wanted sign. THEY DO NOT , becoming 'wanted' takes work and effort ...... damn you CCP , damn you.Give me back my meaningfull 'wanted' tag NOW. How a bout a "Wanted for LULZ" and a standard "Wanted for Crimes" sign (in connection with your sec.).? nice idea : 'Not so Wanted for ***** and giglles' and then you got ' REALLY WANTED , WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY' tags .I like it. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 842	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:05:00 - [50] - Quote I have deleted some nonconstructive posting in this thread. CCP Soundwave is trying to have a civil discussion about things, bringing in needless attacks does not promote that discussion. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 778	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:11:00 - [51] - Quote I really wish that people would stop equating bounties to law enforcement. I could go off on a whole thing here, but I'll just say this much. The bounties you place, as a player, on other players, are less about "This is a bad person and I want him gone" and more about "This is a person I am willing to pay to be rid of". Less Dog the Bounty Hunter, and more Alexander Solonik.
Messoroz AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 315	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:24:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Methelic Mahyisti wrote: I agree with OP; it's a bit stupid. Bounties should be on criminal and dangerous people, not innocent industrialists. Lilly Becky Miner in a Venture WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So stupid How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not. I put an bounty on about 178 alliance members(and counting as they log in) over the last 2 days just because I can and so I can mock them in alliance over their losses before anyone else cause I get the bounty mail. AM I DOING THIS RIGHT?
Merouk Baas 56	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:26:00 - [53] - Quote Dunno, are any of the guys you're mocking able to kick you and your corp out?
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 288	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:27:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: The sandbox isn't for everyone vOv Best dev response ever. Signifies you guys aren't all just in it for the subs. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 68	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:56:00 - [55] - Quote I would give "wanted" sign only to people who have done a crime that ended in killrights for the victim. Inside mining barge, true story
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 778	Posted - 2012.12.07 14:59:00 - [56] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: I would give "wanted" sign only to people who have done a crime that ended in killrights for the victim. Again: Why?
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 577	Posted - 2012.12.07 15:13:00 - [57] - Quote Merouk Baas wrote: Dunno, are any of the guys you're mocking able to kick you and your corp out? Out of what?
Gotch Urarse 10	Posted - 2012.12.07 15:15:00 - [58] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: I would give "wanted" sign only to people who have done a crime that ended in killrights for the victim. There seems to a big debate whether or not bounties should be strictly for crimes/criminals. So, I decided to look it up: Wikipedia and dictionary.com both seem to define bounty as reward. The word 'crime' or 'criminal' isn't mentioned in either article. So, in my humblest of opinions, bounties should stay as is. To tie bounties to strictly crime activity would be.... criminal?
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.12.07 15:19:00 - [59] - Quote People, stop hyperventilating about that. Seriously. Let the system arrive first, wait the first hype to pass. For now it's often fun to place bounties. But once the first wave of ISK is over, it will change... No biggy. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Pandora Barzane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.07 15:43:00 - [60] - Quote I think the main problem with the new bounty system is that the wanted sign has now become meaningless. People are getting bountied just for lolz. I saw on patchday, that everyone in the help channel were getting an bounty. These were a lot of new players where the first contact with a game will be a having a large wanted sign slapped on your avatar. the so hailed "consequences" are really not that big, just ask a friend to kill you. if ccp had any real intentions to make real consequences in this game they would introduce permadeath.

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