I claim this because Hulks/Macks were perfectly capable of being tanked before the barge EHP buffs occurred. Yet instead of adapting by fitting a DC2 and an invulnerability field, tanking their ship, many threads popped up howling about how mining ships needed buffs. The ships had their EHP needlessly buffed after an onslaught of whining ranging from "why did my 230mil ship die to a 5mil ship" to "killing miners is killing eve." All CCP had to do was make a simple post like: http://eve-search.com/thread/165381-1/author/CCP . When the threat shifted from ganking to bumping, these same PvE-centric players began howling on the forums again and look what happened: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235632 .

yeah couldnt have anything to do with people leaving the game... Go find your fap material elsewhere goon.

Goons have 16000 ships on their leaderboard for permageddon. The hulk ganking was out of control, the same way nano ships were out of control. People whined and complained about nano ships too. Just because someone complains does not mean they don't have a legitimate complaint. Goons brought the barge change on. Now Goons complain about it. Its your own damn fault.

I love this wonderful proof that there was something wrong with the game. All of those miners tanked their ships instead of fitting them for max yield and were still ganked solo by a civilian fit catalyst.

Goons have 16000 ships on their leaderboard for permageddon. The hulk ganking was out of control, the same way nano ships were out of control. People whined and complained about nano ships too. Just because someone complains does not mean they don't have a legitimate complaint. Goons brought the barge change on. Now Goons complain about it. Its your own damn fault.

Blah blah blah, I've heard this a million times by now. I still blame Goons for the nerf.

And yet, just because someone complains, it doesn't mean it was a legitimate issue. At every turn where something was either nerfed of buffed, the perpetrators had to take more and more extreme measures to adapt to the situation. Where is the end leading to? Where is the breaking point where a change is implemented where a certain activity is completely wiped out so that a segment of the population is completely protected, simply because they couldn't be asked to fit their ships and use their brains defensively?

I don't know about you, but if I wasn't allowed to gank some smartmouthing kid in highsec simply because I'm straight up "not allowed to", I'd have to find another outlet in another game. You should not be given a free pass because you feel entitled to a safe environment in a game where "Unconsensual PvP" is the advertised tagline.

And yet, just because someone complains, it doesn't mean it was a legitimate issue. At every turn where something was either nerfed of buffed, the perpetrators had to take more and more extreme measures to adapt to the situation. Where is the end leading to? Where is the breaking point where a change is implemented where a certain activity is completely wiped out so that a segment of the population is completely protected, simply because they couldn't be asked to fit their ships and use their brains defensively?

I don't know about you, but if I wasn't allowed to gank some smartmouthing kid in highsec simply because I'm straight up "not allowed to", I'd have to find another outlet in another game. You should not be given a free pass because you feel entitled to a safe environment in a game where "Unconsensual PvP" is the advertised tagline.

Poor Goon has a persecution complex. Its still your own fault.

So tell me what did we do to you that has you so upset at us?

I love this wonderful proof that there was something wrong with the game. All of those miners tanked their ships instead of fitting them for max yield and were still ganked solo by a civilian fit catalyst.

That makes you one of the howling masses.

And yet, just because someone complains, it doesn't mean it was a legitimate issue. At every turn where something was either nerfed of buffed, the perpetrators had to take more and more extreme measures to adapt to the situation. Where is the end leading to? Where is the breaking point where a change is implemented where a certain activity is completely wiped out so that a segment of the population is completely protected, simply because they couldn't be asked to fit their ships and use their brains defensively?

I claim this because Hulks/Macks were perfectly capable of being tanked before the barge EHP buffs occurred. Yet instead of adapting by fitting a DC2 and an invulnerability field, tanking their ship, many threads popped up howling about how mining ships needed buffs. The ships had their EHP needlessly buffed after an onslaught of whining ranging from "why did my 230mil ship die to a 5mil ship" to "killing miners is killing eve." All CCP had to do was make a simple post like: http://eve-search.com/thread/165381-1/author/CCP . When the threat shifted from ganking to bumping, these same PvE-centric players began howling on the forums again and look what happened: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2235632 .

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My agenda - as he speaks about - is to enlarge the markets but also to get EvE to 1M players, even if that means to have more hi sec dumbs. AFTER we reach the critical mass, then the game can sustain large scale operations like Goons do.
As long as we are just 37k or so online peeps, we just can't afford losing 10k because a corp decided to have a campaign. It's sad but true. Done in other MMOs, 10k is like a small fart, but in EvE it's a sizable portion of subs going out.

As long as we are just 37k or so online peeps, we just can't afford losing 10k because a corp decided to have a campaign. It's sad but true. Done in other MMOs, 10k is like a small fart, but in EvE it's a sizable portion of subs going out.

Aren't the Goon campaigns meant to prove how a current system doesn't work? If so, I'm not understanding the argument.

Should be going according to plan if CCP does instill a fix, or if people start complaining.

Let me reiterate just to make sure I am understanding (I can be dense sometimes and need things spelled out time and time again)-

Goons find an issue with something that doesn't work as well as it should. They post/alert CCP to the known issue, CCP does nothing, Goons therefore reinforce their point with more intensity of said issue, people complain, CCP fixes issue.

If the above is indeed correct, then I don't understand why Goons are arguing the point. Or even feel the need to defend if they are blamed. I thought that was the point. If I am incorrect, please explain to me what this argument between the Goons and huddled masses is about?

Disclaimer-

Even at the cost of my own ships lost in the past, I respect what Goons do even if I get caught in the crossfire and don't like it at the time =P.

Aren't the Goon campaigns meant to prove how a current system doesn't work? If so, I'm not understanding the argument.

Should be going according to plan if CCP does instill a fix, or if people start complaining.

Let me reiterate just to make sure I am understanding (I can be dense sometimes and need things spelled out time and time again)-

Goons find an issue with something that doesn't work as well as it should. They post/alert CCP to the known issue, CCP does nothing, Goons therefore reinforce their point with more intensity of said issue, people complain, CCP fixes issue.

If the above is indeed correct, then I don't understand why Goons are arguing the point. Or even feel the need to defend if they are blamed. I thought that was the point. If I am incorrect, please explain to me what this argument between the Goons and huddled masses is about?

Disclaimer-

Even at the cost of my own ships lost in the past, I respect what Goons do even if I get caught in the crossfire and don't like it at the time =P.

The barge EHP buff was uncalled for as ganking was only profitable if the person refused to tank their ship. The player completely controlled how gankable they were. They would have to choose between tank or yield yet instead a loud minority howled on the forums and CCP caved to them. Now they get to have all of the tank and all of the yield they could ever want. Yet all other ships must still make fitting choices, why should mining ships be exempt from this? Another good question, why should people who make bad/risky decisions be intrinsically unprofitable to gank?

If any of that was actually correct, which none of it is.

Propagana is intended to make you believe something about something you don't know anything about.

Knock it off.

Bumping and blowing up ships in EVE is not a problem, it's a part of the game.

Want to champion a cause to get more people into EVE? Then start asking for new, interesting content, that people would come to EVE to play.

EVE didn't get where it is today with a lack of ability of players to do "large scale operations".


"i want EVE to grow so I'm going to do my best to convince CCP that high sec needs to be safer." That's one fo the biggest loads of nonsense posted in this thread yet.

Some of us play EVE for the game it IS, not for the game YOU think it should be, and we really don't appreciate you trying to get it changed to suit you. Because as noble as you think you are, you're not doing anything "for CCP's benefit", you just want the game changed to suit you and be more representative of what YOU think EVE should be.

High sec is already much safer then it was when I first came here in '05.
Please drop the agenda, and quit ******* with my EVE.



Why would anyone care about high sec? Because people like this guy have no problem openly stating they have an agenda to convince CCP that it needs to be made safer.

But that's ********. I agree with you, a ship is a ship whether it's based on combat, freighting, mining, scanning or ewar.

I understand the need to increase cargohold for ore in regards to escalation and growth, but revamping the EHP of a mining barge because people care more about yield as opposed to survivability should be the cost of fitting, not CCP's problem.

yeah cause we all know Goons dont have an agenda

the Goon is strong in this thread lol

I should probably start attending our weekly agenda meetings so I to know as much as you.

Yeah, I mean, you've been out of the loop ...