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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1242
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:57:00 -
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In Eve asteroid fields are actually just places where debris collects. Debris from exploded ships. Its a circle of life thing.
Ships explode. The gas and dust wanders about the solar system, and collects at certain stable locations. New asteroids form there. We mine them and make more ships. Cycle repeats. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1149
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:00:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:In Eve asteroid fields are actually just places where debris collects. Debris from exploded ships. Its a circle of life thing.
Ships explode. The gas and dust wanders about the solar system, and collects at certain stable locations. New asteroids form there. We mine them and make more ships. Cycle repeats.
That would take millenia, if at all, to happen. Would be more like a monstrously large volume Salvaging Site.
edit: like the Plastic Sargasso in the Pacific Ocean. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:01:00 -
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So no one truly hates this plan of action?
I haven't seen any one point our no horrible flaws in the System. Besides cluttering up the scanning system but that can be solved with a new set of probes. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
84
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:02:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:So no one truly hates this plan of action?
We've all come to the conclusion exploration is dated, crude, and poorly implemented in the current scheme of things. Its an old system that needs updating as much as the next. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Alara IonStorm
3819
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:04:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:So no one truly hates this plan of action? Depends on if the mineral supply lessens. Ships are already expensive enough, I don't want to pay 80mil for a Cruiser fit.
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Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:05:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:So no one truly hates this plan of action? We've all come to the conclusion exploration is dated, crude, and poorly implemented in the current scheme of things. Its an old system that needs updating as much as the next. When I get caught up here at work in a bit I'll begin writing a proposal and link it from here (for the ideas/features forum) and we'll see what kind of support we get going.
I agree as well.
The can fix that at the same time as they do this change as it would go hand in hand. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
84
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:06:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:So no one truly hates this plan of action? Depends on if the mineral supply lessens. Ships are already expensive enough, I don't want to pay 80mil for a Cruiser fit.
Honestly, I think such suggestions wouldn't directly impact mineral flow, it would just personalize fields more and make them less public. You can always have crappy fields with really low requirements show on ship scanners. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:So no one truly hates this plan of action? Depends on if the mineral supply lessens. Ships are already expensive enough, I don't want to pay 80mil for a Cruiser fit. There would be no less, but at the start there would probably be a Increase as people reorganized then it would go back to normal. I'm not suggesting any less just going about obtaining them in a less open way, look at what we have now an endless supply of barges sitting in belts never moving.
This system would encourage movement between systems moving to keep up with the moving grav sites. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
357
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:09:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:In Eve asteroid fields are actually just places where debris collects. Debris from exploded ships. Its a circle of life thing.
Ships explode. The gas and dust wanders about the solar system, and collects at certain stable locations. New asteroids form there. We mine them and make more ships. Cycle repeats.
In it's own weird way, this makes sense, because in EVE, the planets don't move (something I think the devs should look at fixing), but in physics, it doesn't make sense for solar systems to have one-stop shop "centers of mass" where stuff collects.
As the planets move, they don't actually orbit the sun, they orbit a central gravitational point stabilised by the comined gravitational influences of the sun and its planets, and they do NOT change the COM of a solar system. They orbit around the COM. That's why the COM is such a good origin for planetary orbit calculations. (The COM does move in space, as the solar system orbits in the galaxy. But this motion does not have any "wiggles" in it as the planets and Sun orbit around the COM.)
Other COMs will establish, however, and be variable, throughout the solar system, influenced by the variations of gravity between planets and their moons. The moon's gravity, for example, doesn't just cause the tides on earth, but it gives earth a "wobble" as it orbits the sun. While the COM between the earth and the moon falls within the earth itself, as opposed to the sol system's COM falling outside the sun, many other such COMs would exist where matter could collect, but then disperse as the COM disappeared. Additionally, the more matter that collects in one place, the more mass it gathers, and subsequently, more gravity, which causes an exponential increase in the build up of matter.
So it would actually make more sense to have asteroids and stuff collect at more random locations than in the exact same place every day, physically speaking, if the planets were moving. But because the planets aren't moving.... well, that fact alone just doesn't make any sense at all
EVE physics - it's actually a submarine simulator
EDIT: Just remembered the name for the solar system's COM - the barycenter You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1891
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jesus, now I'm agreeing with Remiel Pollard, is anyone else's feet getting cold or is it just my own personal hell that froze over? Please, let me see your "personal hell".
:giggity:
Mirima Thurander wrote:look at what we have now an endless supply of barges sitting in belts never moving. Working as intended ... ? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:15:00 -
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I assumed this thread would be full of LEAVE MY ROIDS ALONE and BUT MY BOTS. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
357
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:16:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:I assumed this thread would be full of LEAVE MY ROIDS ALONE and BUT MY BOTS.
Did you put this here for the very purpose of getting that reaction? Why.... that would be trolling You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:18:00 -
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I have seen this same thread posted not 6 months ago and it was filled with rage.
O I know what its missing.
And do the same to all ice belts.
Now I will get rage posts. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
587
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide]Jesus, now I'm agreeing with Remiel Pollard, is anyone else's feet getting cold or is it just my own personal hell that froze over? Please, let me see your "personal hell".
My personal hell WAS called Tribute.....
*looks harshly at Goons*
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
111
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:20:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Darenthul wrote:Also throw in the fact there are barely enough grav sites as is.. I scanned down a dozen systems last night, low traveled ones too, and only one found and it was already being mined. (Full skilled, full setup scanning ship I should note) That's just luck, all I ever get is grav sites and I have no interest in them -¼-¼ I usually get wormholes, and I have no interest in them Indeed. I have alwys felt WH Exploration needs a different set of Probes or different mechanic to find them. Throwing their finding into the same mix as Industrial and 'simple' Combat activities seems a bit simplistic on CCP's part. When I want minerals, decryptors, and the like, Exploration makes sense. WH activites, although they have those sites too, is just an entirely different animal requiring entirely different logistical issues than regular exploratioin sites.
CCPs track record with operating two systems that try and do the something isn't exactly that great (Stations/POS as an example). Furthermore if it wasn't the same system I think less people would be inclined to use "wh" only probes as they aren't looking for wh's which means no random wh traffic, which makes me sad wumbo |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
230
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:21:00 -
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Schalac wrote:I would agree with this if only veld was found in belts and all grav sites would have a certain percent of all ores. Also there would have to be at least 10-15 grav sites per constellation open at the same time with a respawn of at most 30 mins after one was depleted. Also the rats that are in the grav sites would have to be made sightly tougher so that you would need a combat escort or a tank on your barges. And sites would only be found in .8 space and lower.
thought veld was best isk/hour according to chribba http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
85
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:23:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Schalac wrote:I would agree with this if only veld was found in belts and all grav sites would have a certain percent of all ores. Also there would have to be at least 10-15 grav sites per constellation open at the same time with a respawn of at most 30 mins after one was depleted. Also the rats that are in the grav sites would have to be made sightly tougher so that you would need a combat escort or a tank on your barges. And sites would only be found in .8 space and lower. thought veld was best isk/hour according to chribba
Nooooo. By far no.
Scordite right now is absurd due to the Pyerite jump as of late. Its ISK/Hour/m3 is amazing. Omber was actually high for a short time before Retribution but Isogen shortly crashed afterwards. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
449
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:26:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Schalac wrote:I would agree with this if only veld was found in belts and all grav sites would have a certain percent of all ores. Also there would have to be at least 10-15 grav sites per constellation open at the same time with a respawn of at most 30 mins after one was depleted. Also the rats that are in the grav sites would have to be made sightly tougher so that you would need a combat escort or a tank on your barges. And sites would only be found in .8 space and lower. thought veld was best isk/hour according to chribba Not is mass amounts like we are suggesting if you have to move that mining bardge to a new role every cycle its going to suck.
I'm talking leave the belts for noobs but with roids spread out and so small it only makes seance to use the mining frig.
Move everything else to grav sites, including ice, and now we have to less its all still infinite but now you have to hunt it down before you can site there afk for 2 hours mining. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1149
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:31:00 -
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Yes. Hide the Ice in Exploration Sites.
Would be one of the best things for anti-bot efforts ever.
I honestly find it really, really weird this has not been done. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
85
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yes. Hide the Ice in Exploration Sites.
Would be one of the best things for anti-bot efforts ever.
I honestly find it really, really weird this has not been done.
Wait.. didn't you quit EVE?
But yea, I agree, hiding anything in exploration sites would complicate things for bots across the board. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
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Dave stark
796
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:35:00 -
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Halin Damal wrote:And what trade-off are you suggesting in return? Keep in mind that new players also need to get scanning skills before they can start a mining career.
all the time i lived in 0.0 mining, i had astrometrics II and no other scanning skills and i was able to find the grav sites from our indy upgrades without issue.
you don't really need scanning skills that much, at all. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
152
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:37:00 -
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150% approval of the suggestion as it is part of the puzzle that I am fighting for as well.
Important question though to some: why does it have to be grav sites per se?
When it comes to minerals, it shouldn't matter what kind of site it is. Just let the type be completely random.
As for mineral distribution itself, like I suggested before, in 1.0 sec space, make ABC ores something that are extremely rare to find and usually in very small quantities only whilst in 0.0 it's far more common to find'em.
As for the static, evil belts of boredom, let them be but severely reduce them so they become a starting ground for new players.
And again, if only d-scan was sig radius based then these two ideas combined would give low-sec industry a very fair chance indeed. Specially as anomalies like these could then serve to hide ships in them from mere sweeping d-scan searches......or vice versa (again, assuming that local intel is slain like the evil beast that it is).
But alas, the interest is still very shallow for whatever reason despite the game pretty much having everything in place for this setup. The only real rework would be on the d-scan itself and maybe some slight tweaks on probes. That's pretty much it.
Oh yeah, and this setup would pretty much entirely eliminate botters as there would be absolutely NO way for them to properly identify signatures and determine whether they are players or something else. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1150
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:37:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:
Wait.. didn't you quit EVE?
Nobody is amused. This also makes you look like a real Dweeb.
You must be bored to want to harrass players you can't see. Come harrass me to my RL face. Oh, you are too heavy to rise out of your chair to even begin to leave the house. And you'd have to trim the neckbeard to look not quite so like Sasquatch.
Now, back to the thread. Please continue. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darenthul wrote:
Wait.. didn't you quit EVE?
Nobody is amused. This also makes you look like a real Dweeb. You must be bored to want to harrass players you can't see. Come harrass me to my RL face. Oh, you are too heavy to rise out of your chair to even begin to leave the house. And you'd have to trim the neckbeard to look not quite so like Sasquatch.
Shuddup. Learn to cop a wisecrack. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
231
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:38:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yes. Hide the Ice in Exploration Sites.
Would be one of the best things for anti-bot efforts ever.
I honestly find it really, really weird this has not been done. Wait.. didn't you quit EVE? But yea, I agree, hiding anything in exploration sites would complicate things for bots across the board.
no he got banned then made an alt with the same last name
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
85
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darenthul wrote:
Wait.. didn't you quit EVE?
Nobody is amused. This also makes you look like a real Dweeb. You must be bored to want to harrass players you can't see. Come harrass me to my RL face. Oh, you are too heavy to rise out of your chair to even begin to leave the house. And you'd have to trim the neckbeard to look not quite so like Sasquatch. Now, back to the thread. Please continue.
Wow.. hostile much. I'm seriously asking. I recall a thread awhile ago where you were throwing a fit about quitting and hating the game post-Retribution. No need to come flailing at me over it. It was a serious inquisition.
Sheesh people. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Dave stark
797
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:41:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Scordite right now is absurd due to the Pyerite jump as of late. unless something has happened while i've been at work today; pyerite has been dancing around 13 isk/unit ever since the drone region nerfs. hardly a recent price hike... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1150
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:42:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Schalac wrote:I would agree with this if only veld was found in belts and all grav sites would have a certain percent of all ores. Also there would have to be at least 10-15 grav sites per constellation open at the same time with a respawn of at most 30 mins after one was depleted. Also the rats that are in the grav sites would have to be made sightly tougher so that you would need a combat escort or a tank on your barges. And sites would only be found in .8 space and lower. thought veld was best isk/hour according to chribba Nooooo. By far no. Scordite right now is absurd due to the Pyerite jump as of late. Its ISK/Hour/m3 is amazing. Omber was actually high for a short time before Retribution but Isogen shortly crashed afterwards.
Kernite and Pyrox have both been better ISK/hour for WEEKS since the temporary Scordie Rush.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
Again, please go stink up some other thread. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darenthul wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Schalac wrote:I would agree with this if only veld was found in belts and all grav sites would have a certain percent of all ores. Also there would have to be at least 10-15 grav sites per constellation open at the same time with a respawn of at most 30 mins after one was depleted. Also the rats that are in the grav sites would have to be made sightly tougher so that you would need a combat escort or a tank on your barges. And sites would only be found in .8 space and lower. thought veld was best isk/hour according to chribba Nooooo. By far no. Scordite right now is absurd due to the Pyerite jump as of late. Its ISK/Hour/m3 is amazing. Omber was actually high for a short time before Retribution but Isogen shortly crashed afterwards. Kernite and Pyrox have both been better ISK/hour for WEEKS since the temporary Scordie Rush. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:oreAgain, please go stink up some other thread.
Right now, the only person stinking up the thread is you with your little personal problem. Just put a bounty on him already and get it over with. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1150
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:43:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darenthul wrote:
Wait.. didn't you quit EVE?
Nobody is amused. This also makes you look like a real Dweeb. You must be bored to want to harrass players you can't see. Come harrass me to my RL face. Oh, you are too heavy to rise out of your chair to even begin to leave the house. And you'd have to trim the neckbeard to look not quite so like Sasquatch. Shuddup. Learn to cop a wisecrack.
I normally would, but the EVE-O Forums have long been proven a bit of an exception as to who and who is not 'kidding'.
I must treat them all as equal. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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