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mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:40:00 -
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OP is right... the mission system needs to be brought up to date. Just not in the winter expansion. Maybe step by step over the next several expansions.
The way I envision it is creating "incursion style" variations of the existing missions with a "random mutation" factor. Some parts of the mission would be different every single time anybody does the mission, meaning nobody ever gets the exact same mission twice. The mutations could be random, or they could make sure that better ships/fittings/pilots have a more challenging mission and better income (also would allow missions to scale to fleet sizes.) Either way, mission mutation + incursion AI would add a lot of longevity to existing missions, and if done right, make it easy to add new content without a lot of dev time.
Of course, it should be a gradual implementation... start with one lvl 1 agent per faction switched to incursion agents, get feedback, and work up from there... done over the course of 2-3 years before all the lvl 4 agents are completely replaced.
I could also picture courier missions adding combat ambushes, and mining missions paying as much as actual mining.
But no, none of this should be done in Winter. For it to be done right, and to make EVE PVE a viable long term game, it needs some long term development.
Random thoughts: How cool would it be if at some point you kill a faction spawn, get a faction mod, from then on you start to regularly encounter the NPC you looted it from as he constantly tries to get it back... your own NPC arch nemesis. Or a salvage thief shows up in a frig, so the mission's frigs peel off or new ones spawn and start hunting him as a more viable target for their weapon systems (and yes, he should be able to successfully fight them off.) Or a mission where the goal is to muscle through a constantly respawning meat grinder (should you use a frig, or a battleship?) Or in Worlds Collide, you can get the two pirate factions to start fighting each other. Or you take a Thanatos into a mission, so it spawns a dread.
EVE's PVE has so much potential to be interesting and engaging, if it weren't just "fly here, kill that, dock, get a new mission, repeat ad nauseum." |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:08:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Thread cleaned from off-topic and trolling posts.
There are no trolls in these forums. They are hairy and live usually in games with magic missiles and swords.
Anyway to the topic... Industrial revolution in nullsec could provide more mixed PVE/PVP content to that region. Whether that will happen or not, I still agree that hisec has had it's share during the past. Fixing old issues, no matter where they are, is most important atm. The list Zulu provided has items which are long overdue already. It is good the get 'em sorted out before anything else.
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Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:27:00 -
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Zagam wrote:
EVE is not a PVE centric game. Its a PvP centric game, as that is where the "end game" is. You don't see supercarriers and titans in hisec, do you?
That's owing more to CCP banning them from entering, rather than a lack of PVP in high sec. If it were possible to use one, you can bet your ass they'd be there camping Jita 4-4.
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iNfeck7ed
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:41:00 -
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Iluminat wrote:It's boring after 6 years of the same content.
New ships for the same missions doesn't change a lot.
O and change the size of the universe cause i want to
boldly go where no man has gone before
And no you can't have my stuff
God dammit, another complaint! Jesus christ, everyone thinks that CCP can change absolutely everything in Eve by the Winter. Get fking clue. The list is fixing things that from a techy pov can be accomplished in a short time. Revamping PvE is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Make a post about what you would like to see changed in the appropriate forums like "new ideas" forum, or whatever it's called. But, PvE is not getting a total revamp by Winter, sheesh. |
Sader Rykane
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:58:00 -
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Othran wrote:You got two expansions of PVE. Tyrannis and Incursions.
Time for some attention to PvP.
It's a sad day when Tyrannis can be reffered to as a PvE Expansion. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:05:00 -
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I bet the op has never run a level 5, done all 10/10 DED plexes or spent time in C6's.
There is plenty of PVE content out there if you stop mission running.
GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:17:00 -
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There isn't really such a bright line between PvE features and PvP features IMO. For example, wormholes enhanced both. Anything that draws more players into hostile territory aids PvP. Probably the best thing that could happen for PvP would be improvements in PvE content in low sec, npc null sec and wormholes that would draw more pilots into those areas. In my view, anything you do outside of hi sec or safe alliance 0.0 is pvp. Driving more players into those systems should be the top goal on the pvp front IMO. |
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:20:00 -
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Kitty McKitty wrote:I bet the op has never run a level 5, done all 10/10 DED plexes or spent time in C6's.
There is plenty of PVE content out there if you stop mission running.
Check my corp history. I,ve had my deal in the Red moon federation. Even did fly side by side with cyvokfirst titan
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Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:30:00 -
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I can never understand why people want more pve.
Pve is the time sink. If you want that, go play Civ or something, EvE is supposed to be an MMO, as such, if you don't want to interact, don't play it.
If anything CCP has been pandering to the PvE crowd (lists above) and here we are now with an over protected 'safe space' mentality, the wawa cry cry Motsu mentality, and a general lack of backbone.
Get out |
Hobogear
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:35:00 -
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what i belive the op is talking about is the fact all you really do is shoot red crosses. to make eve pve better is actually really hard. i mean it would take a revamp of the whole system better ai and maybe even more randomness. |
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Candente
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:28:00 -
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Ruah Piskonit wrote:I can never understand why people want more pve.
Pve is the time sink. If you want that, go play Civ or something, EvE is supposed to be an MMO, as such, if you don't want to interact, don't play it.
If anything CCP has been pandering to the PvE crowd (lists above) and here we are now with an over protected 'safe space' mentality, the wawa cry cry Motsu mentality, and a general lack of backbone.
Get out
eve pve != solo
your time sink != my time sink
Though I do agree that there have been much pve addition and revamp in the late patches. I guess it's just easier for CCP to reach out the low hanging fruit than to rebalance some of the pvp suff |
KaarBaak
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:30:00 -
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It was mentioned in in-game chat today that CCP will be implementing high-sec moon mining in the winter expansion? Can that possibly be correct??
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Generals4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:32:00 -
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Iluminat wrote:I'm glad you all still like to rescue the damsel
Nah we just go hunt Sanshas now. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:34:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Thread cleaned from off-topic and trolling posts.
Impossible. |
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:33:00 -
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Why ? |
baltec1
79
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:43:00 -
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Because you have barely scratched the surface of content in eve untill you have a good go at it. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:46:00 -
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Because the money you make in PVE?! Its supposed to be spent on PVP.
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:45:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Because the money you make in PVE?! Its supposed to be spent on PVP.
There is no "supposed to" in eve. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:58:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Because the money you make in PVE?! Its supposed to be spent on PVP. There is no "supposed to" in eve.
Yep
In Eve if someone wants to build heavy widowmaker missiles and use them to please his in-game wife in bed, they are entitled to do that. This is a sandbox and imagination sets the limits. I wouldn't stick widowmaker missiles into my butt, specially not the heavy ones, but if someone thinks that is how he likes to spend his role playing moments in Eve, be my guest.
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Blazing Lunatic
Neon Cranium
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:24:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Wormholes, Incursions, Anomalies, Cosmos Missions. You are correct. There have been no PVE additions in 6 years. 
Wormholes - A new place for easier ganking of ships worth much more isk. I don't consider this PvE. Yes there is E but if it's not worth the time of the P to do it then there is no PvE.
Incursions - A new reason to try to lure PvE'ers into low and nul sec to be ganked. Or in the case of high sec a new way for a small few to horde the new actual PvE content for themselves. Some PvE attention but not enough to count or rather done completely wrong.
Anomalies - The only real PvE improvement but it's far too little. High sec anomolies are useless. Like saying "Hey look at this great cake we baked for you! No you can't have a piece but you can lick this spoon. Once. Then go cry."
Cosmos Missions - Yet another gankfest. Not PvE but rather a lure for PvE'ers to become targets of PvP'ers. Stupid.
I still see no real PvE improvments in this list. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:33:00 -
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Blazing Lunatic wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:Wormholes, Incursions, Anomalies, Cosmos Missions. You are correct. There have been no PVE additions in 6 years. Wormholes - A new place for easier ganking of ships worth much more isk. I don't consider this PvE. Yes there is E but if it's not worth the time of the P to do it then there is no PvE. Incursions - A new reason to try to lure PvE'ers into low and nul sec to be ganked. Or in the case of high sec a new way for a small few to horde the new actual PvE content for themselves. Some PvE attention but not enough to count or rather done completely wrong. Anomalies - The only real PvE improvement but it's far too little. High sec anomolies are useless. Like saying "Hey look at this great cake we baked for you! No you can't have a piece but you can lick this spoon. Once. Then go cry." Cosmos Missions - Yet another gankfest. Not PvE but rather a lure for PvE'ers to become targets of PvP'ers. Stupid. I still see no real PvE improvments in this list.
Grow a backbone. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
229
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:44:00 -
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Blazing Lunatic wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:Wormholes, Incursions, Anomalies, Cosmos Missions. You are correct. There have been no PVE additions in 6 years. Wormholes - A new place for easier ganking of ships worth much more isk. I don't consider this PvE. Yes there is E but if it's not worth the time of the P to do it then there is no PvE. Incursions - A new reason to try to lure PvE'ers into low and nul sec to be ganked. Or in the case of high sec a new way for a small few to horde the new actual PvE content for themselves. Some PvE attention but not enough to count or rather done completely wrong. Anomalies - The only real PvE improvement but it's far too little. High sec anomolies are useless. Like saying "Hey look at this great cake we baked for you! No you can't have a piece but you can lick this spoon. Once. Then go cry." Cosmos Missions - Yet another gankfest. Not PvE but rather a lure for PvE'ers to become targets of PvP'ers. Stupid. I still see no real PvE improvments in this list.
Thing is... when you hit undock, you're doing pvp. If you want to play solid pve, building stuff like heavy widowmaker missile could be your thing? Better choose a station where you don't need to undock to buy resources or sell the end products... Jita is quite ok - assembly line que may be little long, but if you're not in a hurry....
This game will always be mix of pvp and pve. If you look last week, plenty of macks have been blown to next dimension and they surely weren't after pvp. There are activities you can perform against the virtual AI, but other pilots can interfere with almost anything you decide to do. Specially when not docked to station.
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Skurja Volpar
DPB Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:02:00 -
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If youve been running lvl4s for 6 years then no doubt your a little bored. They're a means to an end, and that end is isk. But tbh I can see where your coming from.
Incursions are a nice way to make fast cash but personally I find that after more than 2 hours of them my brain starts running out my ear and I start thinking drastic thoughts like spending the rest of the day outdoors. Only excitement to be had outside of a suprise gank attempt that i can imagine is finding a bad fleet to fly with and introduce some element of risk, any half decent group can spam them with no real danger other than a suprise dc.
I think a good way to make standard agent missions more interesting would be to make the AI much more dynamic rather than rats never changing target, orbiting at some totally arbitrary distance right into your optimal, and the only potentialy fatal ewar being from frigs that 9/10 times can be instapopped before they get in range. Never done a sleeper site but im told they're a step closer to this.
Most missions would have to be overhauled for balance, but it would stop feeling like such a grind and might even end up being fun. Imagine that.
But at the end of the day PVE is where Money comes from, PVP is where it goes, and if you've only doing the first bit then im not suprised your fed up. |
Blazing Lunatic
Neon Cranium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grow a backbone.
I'm wearing sunglasses. Your argument is invalid. |
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:49:00 -
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Blazing Lunatic wrote:baltec1 wrote:Grow a backbone. I'm wearing sunglasses. Your argument is invalid.
I bet this aren't these ones that you're wearing: Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:52:00 -
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Because.
That is all.
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
destiny2
Sickle Moon
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:09:00 -
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After 6 years of playing you should of gotten a clue and get the F outta highsec. highsec is a good place yes if your new to the game but after 1-2 years you should of found a 00 corp/ alliance and would of had 10x more fun. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:16:00 -
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Iluminat wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:Wormholes, Incursions, Anomalies, Cosmos Missions. You are correct. There have been no PVE additions in 6 years. Yeah great fun 
If you can't find anything fun to do in all that, perhaps you are playing the wrong game. Objectively, there's been plenty of PvE content released in the last few years. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:21:00 -
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Blazing Lunatic wrote:Wormholes - A new place for easier ganking of ships worth much more isk. I don't consider this PvE. Yes there is E but if it's not worth the time of the P to do it then there is no PvE.
Incursions - A new reason to try to lure PvE'ers into low and nul sec to be ganked. Or in the case of high sec a new way for a small few to horde the new actual PvE content for themselves. Some PvE attention but not enough to count or rather done completely wrong.
Anomalies - The only real PvE improvement but it's far too little. High sec anomolies are useless. Like saying "Hey look at this great cake we baked for you! No you can't have a piece but you can lick this spoon. Once. Then go cry."
Cosmos Missions - Yet another gankfest. Not PvE but rather a lure for PvE'ers to become targets of PvP'ers. Stupid.
I still see no real PvE improvments in this list.
So basically you haven't tried any of those things for yourself.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
5
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Posted - 2011.10.07 05:41:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:After 6 years of playing you should of gotten a clue and get the F outta highsec. highsec is a good place yes if your new to the game but after 1-2 years you should of found a 00 corp/ alliance and would of had 10x more fun.
Bin there done that
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