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aetherguy881
Malformed Entity C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:59:00 -
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I remember Templis being a whiny bunch of pilots. But that's just the end that I got to hear about.
I do have to give them credit, they do put up some gud fites from time to time. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
222
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:08:00 -
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And people wonder why no-one takes militia seriously |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
313
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:09:00 -
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Cory Braum wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Cory Braum wrote:What is this the caldari pity party where all the sad loser's come to whine. If you people would spend more time fighting in low sec and less time complaining the caldari would have more systems. I really dont understand why guys like mutin are even posting on the fourms representing caldari militia at all, he was never active and when he was he spent most his time based in high sec complaining about everything. Its funny that you dont seen any of the constructive caldari organizations posting in here day in and day out whining about cpp and the gallenta. The fact is that chatgris is right we do have more members then the gallenta they just have to get the sorry ass's out of high sec and to start working with the actual constructive organizations out there and stop listing to the caldari whine show in here. point is: why to take those systems? only reason is roleplay reason, it did not work before so CCP fixed FW on way that Caldari has role play reason and gallente has lp/isk reason, so FW is working really fine ! Current fight is that caldari has to prevent isk farmers without rewards and if you manage to break gallente tier and get better for caldari you may get farmers on your side, but that is really effort job and you get practically nothing for yourself. So best way to fight this war is to join gallente with alts and farm isk. Your main can do what ever you like. the whole point is that this is a game and games are meant to be won there no other reason to play any game at all but to win if you join a faction you join a team and in order for you to win is for your team to win. you wouldnt join a baseball team to run around bases all day you play to win thats it . Joining a faction to gain a bunch of fictional internet spaceship money is the real roleplaying
Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.
Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW. |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
51
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:45:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:And people wonder why no-one takes militia seriously
You might notice the militia trend too. (SquidGǪ) Cough cough. |
Dun Bar
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
19
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:58:00 -
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Cory Braum wrote:
This is same bullshit you fed tenaka it was always an issue with your guys awoxing us. same stupid lame excuse after another our FC is stealthwear so we just shoot primary sorry or this guys overview isnt set up or you shot an alt and on and on . all your other blues said the same thing untill stealth wear got fed up with it and wiped you out
Cory, I was there. All I'd ever hear on comes was, "i got a blue Templis attacking me on gate" atleast once a day. And Swear kicking us out....lol.. They didn't wipe us out. its called leave alliance. NSE just went back to high sec for there lvl 4 missions and getting bumped in the belts. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
295
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:41:00 -
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Cory Braum wrote:
the whole point is that this is a game and games are meant to be won there no other reason to play any game at all but to win if you join a faction you join a team and in order for you to win is for your team to win. you wouldnt join a baseball team to run around bases all day you play to win thats it . Joining a faction to gain a bunch of fictional internet spaceship money is the real roleplaying
FW was about PVP for most players long before it was about Sov War. Just because CCP changed the game mechanics at the beck and call of those that wanted systems captures to mean something, doesn't mean those of us that just wanted PVP were in the wrong place.
FW was always about meaningless PVP for fun with out the need to take things seriously in a more casual setting than null sec. The Sov War was alway optional for those that wanted to partake in it, but it was never shoved down our throats like it is now. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
749
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:45:00 -
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There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?
Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
198
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:48:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?
Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game.
more fights are due to changes in plexes ... not due to ill lp farmville and tier system.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
319
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:40:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?
Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game.
It's all frig fights and the occasional cruisers now inside plexes, this is why I'm not a fan of the Sov War. It's taken away the variety of PVP in FW as there is little to no reason to undock anything bigger than a frig or dessie.
I've always been a fan of BC's with the occasional cruiser here or there. Even looking at Gal killboard it took til page 5 just to see a BC kill, when I just looked.
Yes frigs can be fun, but there simply isn't the variety that we used to have now that all the fighting is focused around plexes., because the majority of the plexs are Novice to Med, so it's pretty much made BC's obsolete. When was the last time Cal & Gal had an actual decent sized scrap with BC's like we used to have almost daily? If not several times a day.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
21
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:46:00 -
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7 and counting |
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
280
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:59:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.
Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.
I know, CCP really were biased against Caldari when timezones outside of the 2hr downtime window were able to affect sov.
And then, CCP allowed players attacking in Caldari plexes to be able to lock other players, and toned down the omgwtfbbq missile spam and made all plexes have the same easy rat spawns so they could pvp.
And as a result - the Caldari gave up because of the obvious gallente bias. Except, for the second day in a row Caldari have netted more VP. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
749
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Posted - 2012.12.26 08:16:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote: more fights are due to changes in plexes ... not due to ill lp farmville and tier system.
But plexes didn't change until recently, and kills were still up. And inb4 Hidden Snake joins FW.
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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
33
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:29:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:X Gallentius wrote:There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?
Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game. It's all frig fights and the occasional cruisers now inside plexes, this is why I'm not a fan of the Sov War. It's taken away the variety of PVP in FW as there is little to no reason to undock anything bigger than a frig or dessie. I've always been a fan of BC's with the occasional cruiser here or there. Even looking at Gal killboard it took til page 5 just to see a BC kill, when I just looked. Yes frigs can be fun, but there simply isn't the variety that we used to have now that all the fighting is focused around plexes., because the majority of the plexs are Novice to Med, so it's pretty much made BC's obsolete. When was the last time Cal & Gal had an actual decent sized scrap with BC's like we used to have almost daily? If not several times a day. Look at the kill difference from a year ago on the Gal killboard. In Dec 20011 there were 796 BC kills, there was 299 BS kills. Meanwhile there was only 633 frigs & 350 Dessies. This was fairly balanced across the board a reasonable mix & a variety of ships used/killed. Now advance 1 year to Dec 2012 439 BC kills, 136 BS kills & 1800 frig kills as well as 1000 dessie kills. The changes while they might have provided for much more PVP, in doing that they have drastically limited the variety of PVP happening.
Fair point, perhaps having a more large plexes spawn in systems would be good, too often you only see mediums and below. Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Antares 04
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:41:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.
Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.
The usualy whining. "Caldari lost because CCP made it happen" and "No-one can win, Caldari did because CCP was to slow to stop them, and they admitted that."
To the first one; Bulls***. The Caldari 'lost' their total control after 5-6 months because
1. Many of them were off exploiting standings to help the Amarr and the tip of the iceberg was not in Fed space to stop us until it was to late and
2. A small core of Fed plexers and PVP'ers proved to the apathetic Fed militia that systems could be taken back and the fights were to be had in complexes. As such, they got their blood-lust on and for once, worked really hard to do what FW is about. Systems dropped to the Fed in droves some weeks and steadily at all times until we were pretty much back on equal footing, plenty of great fighting was had in the process, AS INTENDED. From there the now more organized Fed militia slowly worked our way up and the end result you see today.
To the second one; Proof of STFU. CCP never intended to let anyone win and ADMITTED that they were to slow to stop the Caldari?
You sound like you want to have your cake and eat it too, saying we re-took systems only because the system changed, thereby down-playing our achievements, while also playing the good old 'CCP bias' line. I'm not bying any of this until you show me where CCP supposedly said they never intended for anyone to win.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
320
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Posted - 2012.12.26 13:50:00 -
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Antares 04 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.
Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.
The usualy whining. "Caldari lost because CCP made it happen" and "No-one can win, Caldari did because CCP was to slow to stop them, and they admitted that."To the first one; Bulls***. The Caldari 'lost' their total control after 5-6 months because 1. Many of them were off exploiting standings to help the Amarr and the tip of the iceberg was not in Fed space to stop us until it was to late and 2. A small core of Fed plexers and PVP'ers proved to the apathetic Fed militia that systems could be taken back and the fights were to be had in complexes. As such, they got their blood-lust on and for once, worked really hard to do what FW is about. Systems dropped to the Fed in droves some weeks and steadily at all times until we were pretty much back on equal footing, plenty of great fighting was had in the process, AS INTENDED. From there the now more organized Fed militia slowly worked our way up and the end result you see today. To the second one; Proof of STFU. CCP never intended to let anyone win and ADMITTED that they were to slow to stop the Caldari? You sound like you want to have your cake and eat it too, saying we re-took systems only because the system changed, thereby down-playing our achievements, while also playing the good old 'CCP bias' line. I'm not bying any of this until you show me where CCP supposedly said they never intended for anyone to win.
No offense but you are slinging just as much BS as you claim Caldari do. It was never Gal PVP alts that flipped the war zone control in favor of Gal Mil. It was the hoards of Minmatar farm alts that had no more plexes to run in Minmatar/Amarr space.
Even if it were Gal PVP alts just in Minmatar Militia they were still usually always stabbed & gun-less incursus or Merlins. No one but the very hardcore in Gal Militia were running plexes because you guys were getting nothing in pay just like Caldari is getting now.
The only people that were doing plexes in mass that allowed systems to be flipped was Minmatar farm alts. All you have to do is look to the Caldari kill stats back around June and see all the KM's of Minmatars.
Notice how in May there are hardly any Minmatar frig kills by Caldai?
May http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=5&y=2012&scl_id=4
Now move on to June.. http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=6&y=2012&scl_id=4
July http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=7&y=2012&scl_id=4
August http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=8&y=2012&scl_id=4
It wasn't Gal PVPers running those plexes...It was Minmatar farmville alts, because they ran out of systems to farms in Amarr space. Why is it do you think Caldari sent guys down to Amarr space? Why because we saw the massive influx of Minmatar farm alts and realized the only was to curb them was to help Amarr get space back. |
Ctzn Snips
Justified Chaos
9
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:04:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:No one but the very hardcore in Gal Militia were running plexes because you guys were getting nothing in pay just like Caldari is getting now.
You rang?
P.S. I can run my plexes in PVP ships now if you guys ever felt like coming out of hi-sec. I suppose it's still farming though since I can run 10 in a row with the only opposition being NEUTRALS.
And saying something as stupid as "our farmers would have beat up your farmers if your friend's farmers didn't help" doesn't really help your case. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
320
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:49:00 -
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Ctzn Snips wrote:Mutnin wrote:No one but the very hardcore in Gal Militia were running plexes because you guys were getting nothing in pay just like Caldari is getting now. You rang? P.S. I can run my plexes in PVP ships now if you guys ever felt like coming out of hi-sec. I suppose it's still farming though since I can run 10 in a row with the only opposition being NEUTRALS. And saying something as stupid as "our farmers would have beat up your farmers if your friend's farmers didn't help" doesn't really help your case.
I just spent the morning looking for a fight in the few systems Caldari have left, all I found was pies. I don't need to run plexes to fight Pies..
Ironically I did kill a Gal on my way home when Mr. Diggs thought it was a smart idea to jump into Ichoryia behind my Hookbill, in his Thorax. Sadly his Falcon alt Ms Digs couldn't help him in high sec.
See High sec has it's perks..
Anyway, I lived in low sec up until the station lock outs. Living in Onn doesn't keep me out of low sec, it just keeps me from wasting most of my time orbiting buttons just to dock in low sec.
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ColonelNick
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
0
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:29:00 -
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I think after reading this thread i know why we're losing this war so badly.
People sitting here making giant elaborate posts about how the game is working against them... instead of actually going out and participating.
Yes a majority of the alliances have left Caldari and yes we're getting rammed. Yes we're getting only 50% value from the plexes we take and yes .... almost everyone whos not a multi-billionare like myself is going broke.
Solution: Get the hell out there and fight. If everyone in Calmil were taking plexes and playing a more active role in place of station spinning and forum trolling, we wouldn't be in this situation and the cash flow wouldn't be so terrible.
P.S: Good luck taking Raka, Sajuk. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
320
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:14:00 -
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ColonelNick wrote:I think after reading this thread i know why we're losing this war so badly.
People sitting here making giant elaborate posts about how the game is working against them... instead of actually going out and participating.
Yes a majority of the alliances have left Caldari and yes we're getting rammed. Yes we're getting only 50% value from the plexes we take and yes .... almost everyone whos not a multi-billionare like myself is going broke.
Solution: Get the hell out there and fight. If everyone in Calmil were taking plexes and playing a more active role in place of station spinning and forum trolling, we wouldn't be in this situation and the cash flow wouldn't be so terrible.
P.S: Good luck taking Raka, Sajuk.
That would be fine and dandy if everyone cared about Sov War and doing the PVE grind that goes along with it.. FW is now the same basic mentality that goes with null sec Sov war. Hey guys lets all go shoot at structures in hopes of getting PVP. In FW it's just hey guys lets go orbit some buttons... This is a system that forces you to do PVE in order to hopefully get PVP by orbiting buttons for hours.
Many of us are not interested in that, because the old FW was more about PVP first and PVE second. Many of us, especially the old guard, much of whom have left, were in FW just for the PVP and to get away from the grinds associated with Sov War that was found in null sec.
It was never about wining or losing for anything more than bragging rights. It was about going out and getting fights, blowing up ships which hopefully weren't your own. This was the mealiness fun that attracted many of us for several years now.
Do you not see how the current system might turn a lot of people off that are not interested in Sov War? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
909
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:29:00 -
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This thread would be better in CAOD I think. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Cory Braum
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
6
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:54:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:ColonelNick wrote:I think after reading this thread i know why we're losing this war so badly.
People sitting here making giant elaborate posts about how the game is working against them... instead of actually going out and participating.
Yes a majority of the alliances have left Caldari and yes we're getting rammed. Yes we're getting only 50% value from the plexes we take and yes .... almost everyone whos not a multi-billionare like myself is going broke.
Solution: Get the hell out there and fight. If everyone in Calmil were taking plexes and playing a more active role in place of station spinning and forum trolling, we wouldn't be in this situation and the cash flow wouldn't be so terrible.
P.S: Good luck taking Raka, Sajuk. That would be fine and dandy if everyone cared about Sov War and doing the PVE grind that goes along with it.. FW is now the same basic mentality that goes with null sec Sov war. Hey guys lets all go shoot at structures in hopes of getting PVP. In FW it's just hey guys lets go orbit some buttons... This is a system that forces you to do PVE in order to hopefully get PVP by orbiting buttons for hours. Many of us are not interested in that, because the old FW was more about PVP first and PVE second. Many of us, especially the old guard, much of whom have left, were in FW just for the PVP and to get away from the grinds associated with Sov War that was found in null sec. It was never about wining or losing for anything more than bragging rights. It was about going out and getting fights, blowing up ships which hopefully weren't your own. This was the mealiness fun that attracted many of us for several years now. Do you not see how the current system might turn a lot of people off that are not interested in Sov War?
Then don't play FW you can still sit in low sec or go to NPC null and do meaningless pvp nothing is stopping you. fact is i get 100+ kills every month in FW running sites. and i don't have to spend hours doing it or need to find a blob to roam around. every time i log in i can find good small gang pvp right away. What i dont understand is why you keep wasting time here making forum post after forum post when you don't like nor participate in FW just move on.
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Cory Braum
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
6
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:58:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.
Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.
I know, CCP really were biased against Caldari when timezones outside of the 2hr downtime window were able to affect sov. And then, CCP allowed players attacking in Caldari plexes to be able to lock other players, and toned down the omgwtfbbq missile spam and made all plexes have the same easy rat spawns so they could pvp. And as a result - the Caldari gave up because of the obvious Gallente bias. Except, for the second day in a row Caldari have netted more VP. Reality - you should look into it sometime.
there is no Bias both teams are playing by the same rules. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
911
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Posted - 2012.12.26 20:04:00 -
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I have a great idea. Lets just do a copy of nullsec sov warfare, so we don't have any PVE at all.
You'll get to play with SBUs! It'll be like nullsec except there's only 2 sides and nobody can lose Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Dan Carter Murray
284
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Posted - 2012.12.26 20:55:00 -
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wait so let me get this straight:
1. people don't want to offensive plex because it makes them too much isk and also forces people to fight them if they are plexing in the right system? ("right system" = where someone lives) 2. plexing is boring and if you don't get a fight you get LP = isk and getting isk sucks? 3. spinning in a station makes you more LP and is more interesting than spinning around a button? 4. people don't want to use power of 2 to make dplexing alts and make millions of LP just by defensive plexing?
honestly just drop FW and go pirate if making isk and pvp offends you.
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
321
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Posted - 2012.12.26 21:33:00 -
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Cory Braum wrote:
Then don't play FW you can still sit in low sec or go to NPC null and do meaningless pvp nothing is stopping you. fact is i get 100+ kills every month in FW running sites. and i don't have to spend hours doing it or need to find a blob to roam around. every time i log in i can find good small gang pvp right away. What i dont understand is why you keep wasting time here making forum post after forum post when you don't like nor participate in FW just move on.
If everyone just goes along with the broken system then CCP will never fix it and I still have hope they will realize the system is broken. You can't tell me their Sov War system isn't broken when 90% of the systems capture come with zero fighting involved. The current system is no better than their first try where we saw hoards of gunless ship everywhere.
The only places people fight for are home systems or high traffic areas like akadagi, but you don't need LP payouts for that. Remove the LP from the plexing and it takes the farmers out of the Sov War, then it becomes about PVP not who can attract the most ISK farmers.
Look I like easy ISK as much as anyone but not at the expense of breaking FW.. At least in the past the armies of mission farmers didn't determine where I could dock and where I can't.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1362
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:06:00 -
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Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning? Mane 614
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Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
18
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?
Good guys? we have SOTF! |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
405
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:48:00 -
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Juan Rayo wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning? Good guys? we have SOTF!
Its good to be bad.
We ARE the good guys! |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
18
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:22:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Juan Rayo wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning? Good guys? we have SOTF! Its good to be bad. We ARE the good guys!
Damnit I wanted a good cop /bad cop vibe. |
Dzajic
74
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Posted - 2012.12.27 09:35:00 -
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Offensive plexing in "system where someone lives" usually means fighting ships that have full Loki and Tengu links. Those are not good fights, those are not fun fights. In those cases you have to outnumber (or bring your own pos with your own links). |
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