Caldari/Gallente (and to a leser extent Minmatar/Amarr) have systematically abused any and all mechanics pertaining to FW since the light came on
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Awesome, can you hurry through the Caldari please!

Flipped 5 systems in the last 24 hrs, that qualifies as a hurry

dont worry squiddies, we will still hotdrop you with Fac bs and triage between our plex drives :P

Seems there is a general consensus on these forums that FW is broken again. The factions that are on a downward spiral canGÇÖt recover, the farming is going rampant and generally everything is broken, imbalanced or biased.

With that in mind, we decided to put everyone out of their misery and accelerate the ongoing process of collapse that Faction Warfare is experiencing. Over the next months we intend to take all caldari systems, followed by helping minmatar to take all amarr systems. Most of the doctrines we will deploy will be tech 1, giving everyone a fair chance to counter us.

And when there are no more Caldari or Amarr systems left, maybe a new FW can be built, one more in tone with the rest of Eve, without emphasis on PVE and instanced PVP.

Y u no like plex fighting?
Y u no like killing 1 rat?
Y u want everyone to pvp like u with BS and carrier/dread?
Y u so mad?
Y u no understand problem isn't FW but with # of active players?
Y u no have plan to take eggelhende? (lols)

Most of the doctrines we will deploy will be tech 1, giving everyone a fair chance to counter us.

That seemed so clear to me

Although it would be so cool if more people could fly more expensive and risky doctrines in lowsec! :)

Y u no understand problem isn't FW but with # of active players?

but Caldari will never let you get a medal for taking every system.

have you even learnt how to hot drop yet haha good luck with your crusade i cant wait to stamp on a few DnD heads hahaha

I disagree. Me having to cover 50km in a brawling ship to get to warp in is not as easy as you starting to nano as soon as you see short scan light up. The current situation is better than it used to be, perhaps there is no perfect solution but you just using d-scan fixes the problem.

I support any measure to change the current FW system. Even being Caldari, if it changes the system for the better, I will support it.

My thoughs about it

- Something must be done to encourage T1 militias to fight. I still have to think what, because it's complicated

- Systems must be flipped faster to allow that a small gang (or even a solo player with a lot of time (a couple of hours maybe)) can change the sovereignty of a system. That will split the mega-blobs to fight in many places. That way we can have many small fights everywhere, which is the best of EVE.

- In addition to the last point. Maybe even allowing that the owner of the systems changes within the same day, not needing to wait for the DT

- Plexes must stay. They give the opportunity to have something similar to a fair fight.

- In general, missile boats (with some exceptions) suck. So maybe changing the weapons of the caldari faction ships to hybrids will help to see more caldari pilots using their own race's ships (I have to use an Algos, and I love it, but it doesn't make me feel inmersed in the lore) At least, the hookbill should be changed, because it's DPS is crap compared to the merlin (suposedly the hookbill is an upgrade of the merlin)

Dear Caldari and Amarr factions,

I think you're all missing the point here.

Instead of being upset over fake internet politics, take a look at the bigger picture here and how it affects EVE as well as FW in particular.

The end result of a push like this, will be to prove to CCP that the mechanics for FW need to be adjusted.

As well our effort would provide hard data, critical to identifying which mechanics need the hardest look.


So we openly encourage you Caldari, and you Amarrians, to fight us. As hard as you can, bring it on.



If you don't, then your not only doing a disservice to yourselves, but to CCP, and everyone else in FW.

-Cheers,
Tiff

That seemed so clear to me

Although it would be so cool if more people could fly more expensive and risky doctrines in lowsec! :)

Ok ... I was asked by friend to post on his behalf ... so in this case I am the messenger ;) He is quite truth in his message.

Sorry lol, this coming from a guy whos idea of hotdropping consists of 2 dreads 5m30s before downtime lol

I think revelation is my second most used ship this month after thrasher lol



I disagree. Me having to cover 50km in a brawling ship to get to warp in is not as easy as you starting to nano as soon as you see short scan light up. The current situation is better than it used to be, perhaps there is no perfect solution but you just using d-scan fixes the problem.

I agree with op that fw is pretty crappy about now but I disagree in that there is anything ccp can do. If op believes that there is something ccp can change to make it better i would like to hear what those are. As I see it (and i can't speak for the amarrians) caldari's problem is we have less players, are not as well funded (we've never had a titan) and there is only a handful of small corps and alliances that work together.

I don't see anyway ccp can change this. Even before all the changes to fw all caldari fw drew was carebear alts to run missions for isk for their main who was in gallente or in null sec. For whatever reason caldari cannot draw the amount of dedicated corps/alliances that stay in fw and build. I mean hell one of the most balanced times was when we had wolfsbrigade and 4 horsemen and wolfsbrigade is just sotf's lacky's. Basically you had to put a gallente corp in caldari to make it balanced.

Nothing you do can change the fact that caldari for whatever reason cannot draw substantial pvp corps/alliances. Taking all the systems or giving us all the systems wouldn't change a thing to make better pvp. Say we had all the systems all it would mean is there would just be more farmer in caldari not anymore pvp pilots. I think the only thing you could do is put wolfsbrigade back into caldari then at least you would have them to fight.

Anyway would like to hear what gallente thinks would fix these problems or what they see as the problems and fixes.

...I think the only thing you could do is put wolfsbrigade back into caldari then at least you would have them to fight...

Whats a matter mad because you failed to catch my dreads in an easy trap oh thats right your titan wasnt online at the time oh and i do recall you losing a triarge carrier and a few faction bs to my fleet a few months ago in yet another fail hot drop of yours peace out bro :)

They want to take over to make changes like more BS/cap fights. That seemed so clear to me .

Also, you wouldn't engage anyway without a 100% chance of taking no losses so w/e

Posting as a Caldari pilot who wouldn't mind seeing everything fall, just so we can laugh at how farming =/= success.

Do have to give the Gallente some props though, they are fairly coordinated and the fact that total domination is imminent they're full of excitement and motivation. Most Caldari are just sitting in stations waiting for the final pushing, or just hunting the farmers instead of plexing.

I'm still a little upset at the state of things that encourage the stereotype of Gallente being mostly farmers, though. I went into a novice last night as a Breacher, a **** fit I made testing how well it's kiting would do with an ASB/DC as the only defensive items. I went in against a Dramiel, fully expecting a good fight and to head home in a pod. The Dramiel ran immediately. There were two other Gallente in system, I was the only Caldari.

;_;

most of the time if I look for a fight there is none to be had from the Gal's unless it's 15 vs 1, so I'm forced to pirate randoms.

I think that the fix where if no-one is running a button it counts down to the start state (not capture, just the beginning state) is greatly needed to curtail the influence of farmers, and CCP does have it in their backlog. That way, a single pvp chasing around a farmer (or famrers) would make the pvper more efficient at plexing than the farmer, unlike the current situation.

As far as the ISK differential - pre retribution changes it was pretty awful for the losing side because it was more expensive (in ISK!) to get items than high sec mission runners. It was so bad some items were cheaper to buy off the market than to buy from the LP store. I don't think it is that bad now, but I wouldn't be against increasing the losing side's LP payouts/decreasing the winners if it's demoralizing the losing side.

As far as the caldari drawing a smaller amount of significant pvp corps - it has been this way for a long while, but only recently with the changes to plexes has this affected the occupancy war - for a long time the occupancy war was fought solely by a core of pilots in the crucial after dt timezone, and then after that the rats still heavily favoured minmatar/caldari and you saw both of them crush the occupancy war because of the flood off farmers in gunless frigates (when I was in the amarr/minnie warzone running every single plex in an AB pvp fit condor was hilarious).

I don't think it's a numbers issue, but rather a turnover issue. The caldari militia has been wardeccing itself and full of drama for a very very long time, while the gallente corps, while definitely having their share of intercorp/alliance drama, tend to stay away from the wardec button. With all that drama, it's not that surprising that a lot of corps choose to move on rather than stay.

Finally, for the most controversial and unsubstantiated part of my post: If there is one factor I think contributes the most to the Caldari's downfall, it's damar. His "unique" style of forum posts turn a lot of people away from the caldari miltia, and he's been involved in at least two internal wars between major players in the caldari militia (his name isn't an anagram of drama for nothing!)

Anyways, you asked for a gallente perspective, and there it is! I'd like to see farmer influence decreased even more, but Retribution is helping - at it's height the Caldari militia used to farm 70k+ LP/day, now it's down to 10-20k for all sides.

thx chat.. I really think the button counting down to standard would be very helpful so you can't just wapr out then come back later. Maybe even make it so that if you come in plexer warps out and you sit on button it double times back down to start. e.g novcie is run down to 5 min. defender comes in and it only take 2.5min to run it back to 10 min neutral. (just thought)

yah you guys have lots of players who have been in for a long time and thats why you have a lot of cohesivness. I swear every 6 months there is massive turnover in cal mil so we can never form bond and trust. I think these are just issues cal mil has and again nothign ccp can do. I think other than the count down timer ccp should do nothing. I think it's fine and caldari just needs to try and rebuild (if we can) and maybe we'll get a pvp alliance to come in that will stay. I also don't mind there being no incetive we are losing and should'nt be given rewards for losing. I like that there are consequences it's suppose to simulate war and thats what happens there are winners and loser. Currently we are big losers but it's cal mil's job to build up our ranks and trust and not ccps.

I don't have much interaction with damarr but if that stuff is going on then thats a real bummer becuase cal mil has more then enough enemies without fighting eachother.

hopefully we can have good fights... and hold raka i really don't want to live in high sec :)

Out of curiosity, does Cal Mil share comms? Or does every alliance/corp have their own? For example, did the Big 3 alliances have their own comms independent of each other? Templis, Kraken, Happy

So we should not group in an mmo because you have the social skills of a dry wall and can not get 15 ppl to tolerate you on comms ?

As for the farmer alts, we experienced the same when all the farming alts were on the caldari side, same farmers go to whoever has the upper hand.

hopefully we can have good fights... and hold raka i really don't want to live in high sec :)

... station lockouts ...

Out of curiosity, does Cal Mil share comms? Or does every alliance/corp have their own? For example, did the Big 3 alliances have their own comms independent of each other? Templis, Kraken, Happy

To be fair, I really have mixed feelings on this. These stations lockouts make me really want to NOT take systems from the opposing side (and I generally like the Rakapas guys). If we take Rakapas, then what, we push the Rakapas guys away from the fight :(

But, there's definitely the lure of "take all systems back for the glory of the federation". The ability to say "look, we took all the systems with no faction/timezone mechanic in our favour" would be very nice to say, if we are able to achieve it.

Know that if we do take Rakapas, it will be with (me having) a sad heart. I do wish that station lockouts would be removed.

Chatgris, why have mixed feelings? I like fighting them too. But it is all part of the game. Before my time squids took every system benefitting from longstanding npc imbalances. Something CCP didn't give a rat's ass about for how many years? And, in some ways still doesn't. They are complaining about a power imbalance. But the numbers, more SPROT (7100) than FEDEF (5700), and the active militia numbers have been in their favor until just recently.

I only feel bad for kicking them out of their home system - because I know the same being done to me would suck,.

Chatgris, why have mixed feelings? I like fighting them too. But it is all part of the game. Before my time squids took every system benefitting from longstanding npc imbalances. Something CCP didn't give a rat's ass about for how many years? And, in some ways still doesn't. They are complaining about a power imbalance. But the numbers, more SPROT (7100) than FEDEF (5700), and the active militia numbers have been in their favor until just recently.

I've never had any problems putting together a gang. Did it ever occur to you that many people PVP for the "challenge" and not just to be the 15th or 30th person on some random KM that took literally zero skill or player ability to produce?

Seriously are you too dumb or too new to know that myself and a friend built one of the largest Calari corps in the last year. We had around 70 players at the peak which took about 3 month or so to do and then it became apparent that there just wasn't any decent fights to be had from the Gals.

What have you done other than always been the 15th or 30th person on a KM?


We built a corp that started showing decent progress by recruiting new & low skill point players. Building a corp & taking gangs out was never a problem of mine. The problem was getting actual fights out of Gallente. You guys quite literally bored me to the point I couldn't be bother to take a gangs out anymore, because it was always the same thing every time.

We had to spend 99% of our time dodging Gal blobs vs getting decent fights out of you. Sure we had decent success ganking random Gals along the way, but that gets boring very fast when your main intent is to actually try and get a fight. If I wanted to just be a gank bear I 'd still be taking gangs out, but I wanted decent fights something Gals would never give.

It became apparent that we were never going to compete in the US time zone as a corp, head to head with the Gal Militia blob. It didn't matter if we took 5 guys out or 15 we would get 30 Gals showing up so the result was the same no fight.

You guys successfully bored me to death in your most active time zone, due to the lack of fights to the point I stopped building the corp and taking out gangs. I knew the only logical thing we could do is leave FW and go pirate or go to NPC null. Considering Caldari was already badly out numbered I didn't want to pull the recruit a bunch of players & leave routine that has played it's self out many times in Caldari Militia.

Why is it do you think most corps & now alliances that grow successful in Cal militia end up leaving? It's because you guys are boring as hell to fight on the corp/alliance level. The only decent fighting that goes on anymore is random 1 or 2 man plex fights with frigs and you surely don't need a 50 to 100 man corp for that.

You guys have quite effectively bored Calari Militia into disbanding on more than one occasion. Congrats you guys are pros at it.

Instead of continuing to build and grow in order to meet the challenge you gave up? Therefore you are giving an excuse and running away.

If there were 30 man Gal groups out chasing you how is that boring? Why don't you adapt your fleet comp to be more of kite group and pick off some of those guys while they chase you. Get creative and make it fun. Or just use the map and set a destination somewhere else and look for fights. Complaining that by Gal militia being active with 30ppl is boring you does not add up. If you honestly have that much of an issue with fighting outnumbered you have 2 choices imo, join RvB or find a new game.

Mike

The bulk of our corp was low skill point players that were new to the game, which means changing fleet comps was a time consuming thing to do. We pretty much set up a basic skill plan to best utilize the lack of skill points and had guys get into a quick 3-5 days Thrasher skill plan then had them push directly into HML Nano Drakes.

We pretty much had no cruisers to choose from because at the time the T1 cruisers hadn't been reworked and the only missile spamming cruiser was the Caracal. Which was a waste of time for the most part outside of killing frigs.

With 50 to 70 guys on average you end up with a 8-12 man fleet unless it's pre-planned. Now keep in mind we were trying to get fights at the height of Gal Militia prime time and they have multiple corps with well over 100 players. It was not uncommon at all to jump into Nennamaila and have 40 to 50 Gals sitting docked in their station.

A few jumps away was Villi which could easily have another 10 to 15 Gals at that time and several jumps the other way Gals held Rakapas at the time and Nis a jump or two away that could easily account for another 20+/- . Added to this is they would never leave this area that we called the blob lands that went from pretty much Vili to Raka.

Meaning if we tried to go through the area we would attract a ******** number of people chasing us around but if we tried to find small groups away from that area there was nothing at all to fight. Added to this not only knowing they out number us 2 or 3 to one they would always over ship to boot.

If we took out a frig & dessie gang we were met with easily equal numbers of frigs & dessies but also cruiser & BC's. If we took out our BC's they would bring BC fleets with full logistics or T3 gangs. If we tried to use plexes to equalize the fighting terms they would just ignore us.

This is why I say they bored me to the point I just stopping trying. I was there to fight, I tried to build a corp to build competent gangs to fight what we were facing, but you can only run so many fleets where the biggest objective is avoiding getting ganked by superior numbers so many times, before you just get bored of never actually getting a fight.

It was simply easier and more fun just to take a small gang and head out to null sec to find a random fight. Sure we might get blobbed or we might get a fight but at least there was a chance of a fun fight and some randomness to it. With Gals it has always been either the whole blob or nothing.

30 has now increased to 50 70 +, and training into kiting thrashers is impossible? You can't even put a good amount of effort into making stuff up that sounds remotely plausible.

I really think you need to go with the 2nd option in my previous post.

Mike

Anyone that has lived in or around Black Rise and been involved with FW for more than 6 months knows the numbers that I said are very true. As far as Thrashers if you bothered to read you would have seen that was the 1st ship we had guys train into. We used Thrashers very effectively and even sometimes not so effectively, but after a while one gets bored of just running frig & thrasher gangs.

Thrashers were the bread & butter of our corp, but my focus as a corp was to run competent BC gangs with proper support. We eventually had decent BC gangs but we rarely got to use them because it would have been suicide to do so, with the number imbalance that we faced. We pretty much just used BC's to play with local pirates or when we went on null sec roams.

I lived in BR for awhile and 50-70 man fleets were around but not for 5-10 Cal militia roamers. More for fleets of Snuff , SC and the like.

I'll admit, I only scanned a few of your posts since they were rather heavy on the whining side so the thrasher use I must have missed. Back to my point though, learn to adapt. You are complaining to people that had to overcome the very same issue you are facing.... and they have. Less complaining and more trying.

mike

And then there were nine

Ok ... I was asked by friend to post on his behalf ... so in this case I am the messenger ;) He is quite truth in his message.


What OP tries to do is basicly snag a PR victory for DnD (and probably get even bigger blob to roll around with new recruits) because the farmers do 95% of the work and probably take most systems over christmas holidays (since farmers wont be away while rest of us will). DnD will simply try to wave that it was "only because of them" it could have happened. This of course is just another gallente bullcrap on top of everything else since previous farmville incarnation saw exactly the same happen that systems were vulnerable for weeks and farmed to hearts content.

After all, on this list DnD does not even feature as a plexing force but the heavy lifting is done by two other alliances and of course the locust swarm of FDU alts: http://evewho.com/faction#tak

As for Caellach comments, it would seem this person suffers from serious case of hubris. That it is only now that broken mechanics of FW have been revealed (and not years or months ago by everyone participating in it) by the gallente wisdom that descended from the sky in a fiery chariot or that allowing CCP's pet militia to take everything would cause CCP to change mechanics.

Are you on crack? In case you didnt notice devs are playing and/or waving flag for gallente militia (Including CCP Soundwave) and they most likely want every Amarr/Caldari player out of the game because some marketing department guy has probably calculated more money is made by the company if there are only two farmer militias and everyone and their dog gets another account to farm isk in them.

Even more deluded is Tiffy's comments. He demands that people fight him because showing to CCP that ships explode on an spreasheet would cause mechanics to be worked out and that massive farming will get highlighted by the fact. Newsflash! The farmville already happened once and only thing CCP did to adjust it was to hand most systems to gallente with ninjapatch.

Ibanez is quite right on his comment. Giving fights to gallentes where they already have multiple times the numbers of opposition, higher payout and parent company working on their behalf would be a worst thing people could do. "Good fights", dont make me laugh. Nobody in eve is after good fights. Everybody is only concerned about how much isk he can make, how safely it can be done and how quickly.

You dont believe me? Just look on how many turncoats jumped the fence to easier ISK (Like Gunnyt31) or how many "Lol, FW is for nooblets" like Percussive Pizza people returned to FW and yes, to the side which makes more money out of it.

Either your friend is a coward who can't post with his/her name to give credit to this opinion, or you are a coward for lying about who made it.

Either way, this is a load of tears and general Caldari whining that deserves absolutely no honest consideration or reply, beyond redicule.

Post with you main and own you irrelevant opinion or have it ignored out of hand.

Either your friend is a coward who can't post with his/her name to give credit to this opinion, or you are a coward for lying about who made it.

Either way, this is a load of tears and general Caldari whining that deserves absolutely no honest consideration or reply, beyond redicule.

Post with you main and own you irrelevant opinion or have it ignored out of hand.

Seems there is a general consensus on these forums that FW is broken again. The factions that are on a downward spiral canGÇÖt recover, the farming is going rampant and generally everything is broken, imbalanced or biased.

With that in mind, we decided to put everyone out of their misery and accelerate the ongoing process of collapse that Faction Warfare is experiencing. Over the next months we intend to take all caldari systems, followed by helping minmatar to take all amarr systems. Most of the doctrines we will deploy will be tech 1, giving everyone a fair chance to counter us.

And when there are no more Caldari or Amarr systems left, maybe a new FW can be built, one more in tone with the rest of Eve, without emphasis on PVE and instanced PVP.

Typical gallente plan, fight when war is over and everyone has left, kicking ball to empty goal after match.

Reminds me of the time the Squids took everything by logging in when there were no Gallente around post downtime. Didn't stop them doing it though.

Typical gallente plan, fight when war is over and everyone has left, kicking ball to empty goal after match.

Except

a) The caldari still have more pilots.
b) The caldari right now have a few pvp gangs out that are larger than anything I can put together atm based on comms numbers.
c) The difference in VP yesterday between Gallente and Caldari is - 1.1%. We're *barely* winning the occupancy war.

Seriously, if the Caldari had a little less "the sky is falling" and a little more "lets spread out and use our superior numbers to take plexes" well, there'd be 0 chance of the gallente taking all the systems.

I still am amazed that CCP restricted Gals ability to log in and undock after downtime. This truly is astonishing for CCP to grant this obvious favoritism to Caldari.

Thing is that no one want to fight war that does not just simply work. So when CCP manages to fix FW things may get better, but as we have seen it is impossible to fix FW.

Meh I give it 7 days, 10 tops before they get bored and go back to the only thing they are capable off, sitting on a Titan and hotdropping small gangs with triage support.

Except

a) The caldari still have more pilots.
b) The caldari right now have a few pvp gangs out that are larger than anything I can put together atm based on comms numbers.
c) The difference in VP yesterday between Gallente and Caldari is - 1.1%. We're *barely* winning the occupancy war.

Seriously, if the Caldari had a little less "the sky is falling" and a little more "lets spread out and use our superior numbers to take plexes" well, there'd be 0 chance of the gallente taking all the systems.

ofc with famville horde u flipped the systems without stations and resistance ... enjoy .... Spiritus Draconis can tell you stories about Ladistier and OMS :) .... I think Xgal promised some docking rights for Gallente too .... well months ago.

And yes please come with ur hotdrops ....

inb4 Hidden Snake joins FW. And Trendafil. And inb4 Mutnin logs in too.

Thing is that no one want to fight war that does not just simply work. So when CCP manages to fix FW things may get better, but as we have seen it is impossible to fix FW.

Except yesterday, the Caldari plexed more VP than the Gallente. Seems like the Caldari are fighting back. Which has been confusing for me all along - a few vocal Caldari are sitting here on the forums with "We can't fight back, we're outnumbered" and "screw you, we'll show you and just stop" yet, the caldari even when losing were behind by around 1% VP, and now are ahead in VP.

If you guys really want ~gudfites~ and to fix the death spiral, send DnD or QCATS to caldari militia. The problem has nothing to due with the game mechanics CCP can fix, the problem has everything to do with all the competent people in the same side.

What is this the caldari pity party where all the sad loser's come to whine. If you people would spend more time fighting in low sec and less time complaining the caldari would have more systems. I really dont understand why guys like mutin are even posting on the fourms representing caldari militia at all, he was never active and when he was he spent most his time based in high sec complaining about everything. Its funny that you dont seen any of the constructive caldari organizations posting in here day in and day out whining about cpp and the gallenta. The fact is that chatgris is right we do have more members then the gallenta they just have to get the sorry ass's out of high sec and to start working with the actual constructive organizations out there and stop listing to the caldari whine show in here.

When I first join Cal Militia we were one of the only corps living in low sec because most lived in Nourv. We lived in Suj with Snuff Box for a few months. We were then the 2nd or 3rd corp to move to Enaluri and lived their up until it was lost with the station lock outs the first time. I've spent most of my game time living in low sec, in fact most of my ships were locked up in Kinakka after I came back from my break until the system was taken back and I was able to retrieve them.

We kept a base in Onn for new guys to stay in and of course I kept a fair number of ships there as well, because it was a good location that allowed us to get to any part of Black Rise with-in 2 or 3 jumps. Why is it you focus on high sec when the truth is you were always mad I wouldn't focus my corp on plexing.

Trust me I can also remember you guys whining because we would take gangs out to null sec, instead of orbiting buttons all day. In fact I used to get a lot of flack from various people in Cal Mil for not making our corp's main purpose orbiting buttons and hearing that if you don't plex you shouldn't be in Militia.

The reason I'm vocal about the down turn that has come from these changes, is because I was among the few that said in the beginning that forcing Sov War on FW, was going to turn it into null sec lite and encourage even more blobage, as well as take away the casualness of it.

See some of us at least myself, are not so happy that CCP took away our sandbox and filled it with dirty kitty litter.

We tried to offer you guys help fighting Gallente but, you know. It is apparently always AWOX o' Clock in Caldari Militia.

For myself and my corp, we had no blues, wasn't really anything against anyone, but blues just limit targets. I can't speak for other corps though.

What is this the caldari pity party where all the sad loser's come to whine. If you people would spend more time fighting in low sec and less time complaining the caldari would have more systems. I really dont understand why guys like mutin are even posting on the fourms representing caldari militia at all, he was never active and when he was he spent most his time based in high sec complaining about everything. Its funny that you dont seen any of the constructive caldari organizations posting in here day in and day out whining about cpp and the gallenta. The fact is that chatgris is right we do have more members then the gallenta they just have to get the sorry ass's out of high sec and to start working with the actual constructive organizations out there and stop listing to the caldari whine show in here.

I have been in and out of faction war for a very long time. I remember fighting the squids when they were actually tough. Great FC's like Gavin and so on. I remember the Perv's kicking our asses and when the Squids got there Victory medals from the war when we lost Old man star.....Its been a few years now....and the wind has changed....and its high time gallente pilots like X gal, Chatgris, Val, dope and myself got our medals!

The end is near squids, VICTORY! SHALL BE OURS!.

Faction war has never been perfect and it will never be perfect. Its never gonna have a system that takes in account for everything but that shouldn't stop us from trying.

P.S. Its ok squids mabye you will win the tie breaker...we will just have to see wont we?

Oh and I forgot something. All the caldari leadership are morons.

Back in NSE we were trying to develop a working relationship with Caldari militia in order to defeat some of our enemies who happened to be in gallente faction wars. The Caldari leadership we talked to was indecisive, ineffective, and couldn't even keep track of what their own corpies were doing.

We had an ordeal with Templis who we were blue with. Cory Braum was always confused as to why his corpies were always AWOXing us. Eventually after one of the Caldari fleets that attacked us contained a substantial number of Templis, we just reset them and started killing them on sight.

The hilarity culminated when we got blue standings with Souless Brutor's group, who AWOXed us approximately 18 hours later while we were defending a POCO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1h5bBQSRWM

The best part is that we lost a raven who refused to broadcast for reps and killed your armor battleship fleet. Too bad are34's loki was hidden from my overview by the blue standings or we'd have gotten even more awesome kills.

To the caldari: If you actually want to start winning, you should actually make some friends who you won't AWOX. Gallente militia seem to be able to do this, why can't you guys? Do you like not having friends?

This is same bullshit you fed tenaka it was always an issue with your guys awoxing us. same stupid lame excuse after another our FC is stealthwear so we just shoot primary sorry or this guys overview isnt set up or you shot an alt and on and on . all your other blues said the same thing untill stealth wear got fed up with it and wiped you out

LOL. You weren't blue to SWEAR, and we warned you they wouldn't ever be blue to you. Facts are every time a militia blob fought us it had a fair portion of your guys shooting at us.

Besides you couldn't exactly guarantee your buddies wouldn't shoot us either.

SWEAR didn't wipe us out either actually, our alliance's 'Epic AFK Leadership' did because someone who never actually logged into the game got angry that we were growing (she wanted us to do nothing but build dreads or something) and started a conspiracy to retake control of the alliance that caused epic drama and an eventual failcascade.

point is: why to take those systems?

only reason is roleplay reason, it did not work before so CCP fixed FW on way that Caldari has role play reason and gallente has lp/isk reason, so FW is working really fine !

Current fight is that caldari has to prevent isk farmers without rewards and if you manage to break gallente tier and get better for caldari you may get farmers on your side, but that is really effort job and you get practically nothing for yourself.

So best way to fight this war is to join gallente with alts and farm isk. Your main can do what ever you like.

Seems there is a general consensus on these forums that FW is broken again. The factions that are on a downward spiral canGÇÖt recover, the farming is going rampant and generally everything is broken, imbalanced or biased.

With that in mind, we decided to put everyone out of their misery and accelerate the ongoing process of collapse that Faction Warfare is experiencing. Over the next months we intend to take all caldari systems, followed by helping minmatar to take all amarr systems. Most of the doctrines we will deploy will be tech 1, giving everyone a fair chance to counter us.

And when there are no more Caldari or Amarr systems left, maybe a new FW can be built, one more in tone with the rest of Eve, without emphasis on PVE and instanced PVP.

I still am amazed that CCP restricted Gals ability to log in and undock after downtime. This truly is astonishing for CCP to grant this obvious favoritism to Caldari.

oh yeah 1 SWEAR dude and 20 NSE guys can awox there blues and its ok because they had a single non blue member in there fleet. all im saying is anyone from NSE saying anything about Awox is full of **** because you guys did it over and over again

Over the next months....

the whole point is that this is a game and games are meant to be won there no other reason to play any game at all but to win if you join a faction you join a team and in order for you to win is for your team to win. you wouldnt join a baseball team to run around bases all day you play to win thats it . Joining a faction to gain a bunch of fictional internet spaceship money is the real roleplaying

And people wonder why no-one takes militia seriously

This is same bullshit you fed tenaka it was always an issue with your guys awoxing us. same stupid lame excuse after another our FC is stealthwear so we just shoot primary sorry or this guys overview isnt set up or you shot an alt and on and on . all your other blues said the same thing untill stealth wear got fed up with it and wiped you out

the whole point is that this is a game and games are meant to be won there no other reason to play any game at all but to win if you join a faction you join a team and in order for you to win is for your team to win. you wouldnt join a baseball team to run around bases all day you play to win thats it . Joining a faction to gain a bunch of fictional internet spaceship money is the real roleplaying

There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?

Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game.

There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?

Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game.

Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.

Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.

more fights are due to changes in plexes ... not due to ill lp farmville and tier system.

It's all frig fights and the occasional cruisers now inside plexes, this is why I'm not a fan of the Sov War. It's taken away the variety of PVP in FW as there is little to no reason to undock anything bigger than a frig or dessie.

I've always been a fan of BC's with the occasional cruiser here or there. Even looking at Gal killboard it took til page 5 just to see a BC kill, when I just looked.

Yes frigs can be fun, but there simply isn't the variety that we used to have now that all the fighting is focused around plexes., because the majority of the plexs are Novice to Med, so it's pretty much made BC's obsolete. When was the last time Cal & Gal had an actual decent sized scrap with BC's like we used to have almost daily? If not several times a day.

Look at the kill difference from a year ago on the Gal killboard.

In Dec 20011 there were 796 BC kills, there was 299 BS kills. Meanwhile there was only 633 frigs & 350 Dessies. This was fairly balanced across the board a reasonable mix & a variety of ships used/killed.

Now advance 1 year to Dec 2012

439 BC kills, 136 BS kills & 1800 frig kills as well as 1000 dessie kills.

The changes while they might have provided for much more PVP, in doing that they have drastically limited the variety of PVP happening.

Fact is that no one can win FW, CCP will prevent it on way or another. Caldari once won it because CCP reaction were too slow, CCP has admitted that.

Only reason why caldari does not anymore have all systems is that CCP changed FW.

The usualy whining. "Caldari lost because CCP made it happen" and "No-one can win, Caldari did because CCP was to slow to stop them, and they admitted that."

To the first one; Bulls***. The Caldari 'lost' their total control after 5-6 months because

1. Many of them were off exploiting standings to help the Amarr and the tip of the iceberg was not in Fed space to stop us until it was to late and

2. A small core of Fed plexers and PVP'ers proved to the apathetic Fed militia that systems could be taken back and the fights were to be had in complexes. As such, they got their blood-lust on and for once, worked really hard to do what FW is about. Systems dropped to the Fed in droves some weeks and steadily at all times until we were pretty much back on equal footing, plenty of great fighting was had in the process, AS INTENDED. From there the now more organized Fed militia slowly worked our way up and the end result you see today.

To the second one; Proof of STFU. CCP never intended to let anyone win and ADMITTED that they were to slow to stop the Caldari?

You sound like you want to have your cake and eat it too, saying we re-took systems only because the system changed, thereby down-playing our achievements, while also playing the good old 'CCP bias' line. I'm not bying any of this until you show me where CCP supposedly said they never intended for anyone to win.

No one but the very hardcore in Gal Militia were running plexes because you guys were getting nothing in pay just like Caldari is getting now.

You rang?

P.S. I can run my plexes in PVP ships now if you guys ever felt like coming out of hi-sec. I suppose it's still farming though since I can run 10 in a row with the only opposition being NEUTRALS.

And saying something as stupid as "our farmers would have beat up your farmers if your friend's farmers didn't help" doesn't really help your case.

I think after reading this thread i know why we're losing this war so badly.

People sitting here making giant elaborate posts about how the game is working against them... instead of actually going out and participating.

Yes a majority of the alliances have left Caldari and yes we're getting rammed. Yes we're getting only 50% value from the plexes we take and yes .... almost everyone whos not a multi-billionare like myself is going broke.

Solution: Get the hell out there and fight. If everyone in Calmil were taking plexes and playing a more active role in place of station spinning and forum trolling, we wouldn't be in this situation and the cash flow wouldn't be so terrible.


P.S: Good luck taking Raka, Sajuk.

That would be fine and dandy if everyone cared about Sov War and doing the PVE grind that goes along with it.. FW is now the same basic mentality that goes with null sec Sov war. Hey guys lets all go shoot at structures in hopes of getting PVP. In FW it's just hey guys lets go orbit some buttons... This is a system that forces you to do PVE in order to hopefully get PVP by orbiting buttons for hours.

Many of us are not interested in that, because the old FW was more about PVP first and PVE second. Many of us, especially the old guard, much of whom have left, were in FW just for the PVP and to get away from the grinds associated with Sov War that was found in null sec.

It was never about wining or losing for anything more than bragging rights. It was about going out and getting fights, blowing up ships which hopefully weren't your own. This was the mealiness fun that attracted many of us for several years now.

Do you not see how the current system might turn a lot of people off that are not interested in Sov War?

I know, CCP really were biased against Caldari when timezones outside of the 2hr downtime window were able to affect sov.

And then, CCP allowed players attacking in Caldari plexes to be able to lock other players, and toned down the omgwtfbbq missile spam and made all plexes have the same easy rat spawns so they could pvp.

And as a result - the Caldari gave up because of the obvious Gallente bias. Except, for the second day in a row Caldari have netted more VP.

Reality - you should look into it sometime.

Then don't play FW you can still sit in low sec or go to NPC null and do meaningless pvp nothing is stopping you. fact is i get 100+ kills every month in FW running sites. and i don't have to spend hours doing it or need to find a blob to roam around. every time i log in i can find good small gang pvp right away. What i dont understand is why you keep wasting time here making forum post after forum post when you don't like nor participate in FW just move on.

Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?

Good guys? we have SOTF!

Its good to be bad.

We ARE the good guys!

Offensive plexing in "system where someone lives" usually means fighting ships that have full Loki and Tengu links. Those are not good fights, those are not fun fights. In those cases you have to outnumber (or bring your own pos with your own links).

wait so let me get this straight:

1. people don't want to offensive plex because it makes them too much isk and also forces people to fight them if they are plexing in the right system? ("right system" = where someone lives)
2. plexing is boring and if you don't get a fight you get LP = isk and getting isk sucks?
3. spinning in a station makes you more LP and is more interesting than spinning around a button?
4. people don't want to use power of 2 to make dplexing alts and make millions of LP just by defensive plexing?

honestly just drop FW and go pirate if making isk and pvp offends you.

So from an outsiders point of view itseems like the caldari are having the same issues as the amarr used to (and may still do, i havent really looked at the minni-amarr front for a while), lack of participation partially due to corps finding other things to do and partly because the old gaurd who still take any interest in FW are too busy sniping at each other and moaning about how the system is broken to actually try and help anyone stem the tide.

Caldari does not really have any issues, FW has issues, so when CCP manages to make FW that really works Caldari may again participate on full scale, now Caldari players are already focused to something else.

There is no point to play section of game that is totally broken, you sure can make isk in FW and you get some pvp in there, but trying to fight war is useless, war is over and farmville is on.

FW went totally broken when CCP started to listen carebears like ex CSM Ankh was.

Meanwhile in Rakapas....

A couple small fights

As my friend praz says: FW sucks, quit playing!

Meanwhile in Rakapas....

A couple small fights

As my friend praz says: FW sucks, quit playing!

You know, when I see in these forums people saying things like "caldari have moved on" or "Caldari are not bothering anymore" it pisses me off, because it-¦s a huge disrespect to those Caldari that ARE fighting all over the map.

I guess they haven-¦t gotten the memo.

Can't really blame them. A quick look at the Cal-Gal FW map isn't going to encourage any would-be Caldari FW pilots. Few people have any balls to fight the odds

You know, when I see in these forums people saying things like "caldari have moved on" or "Caldari are not bothering anymore" it pisses me off, because it-¦s a huge disrespect to those Caldari that ARE fighting all over the map.

I guess they haven-¦t gotten the memo.

Can't really blame them. A quick look at the Cal-Gal FW map isn't going to encourage any would-be Caldari FW pilots. Few people want to fight a losing war.

How to fix factional warfare


All the players that have been in it forever should leave and let newer players enjoy a new experience. Infact CCP should put a time limit on how long a pilot can be in a milltia. 2 years tops. Then force those kids to leave home.

They leave FW, stay in same area and feed on BOTH militias. How would that help ? Or they would formally leave but blue all relevant entities in one militia. There would be lots of workarounds that.

We'd like to extend our thanks and respect to Happy Endings. They put up a hell of a fight before leaving FW and conceeding Rakapas. The end result is still the unavoidable one, Rakapas will fall, but by their attitude they made getting there much more enjoyabl for everyone.

GF Happy Endings and gl in your future endeavours.

well we fight while our hardcore pvp'rs forum post that's our division of labour

Confirming templis are hard core.

Templis evaccing too :

Evac Time
From: Cory Braum
Sent: 2012.12.28 20:31
To: Templis Dragonaors,

Rakapas will fall before DT today we put a worthy defence but its not enough. we will be moving all assest to a non FW system Dantumi from there we can continue FW operations and work on alliance building, recrutment, training, and Fleet comps. all those with carriers need to volunteer to help more fitted ships the rest can be moved useing Black Frog logistics.

We will strike back

I tip my hat to Templis. They are the most hardcore FW sov grind pvpers that I know of on the Caldari side. It's like an alliance full of Damar Rocarians

Caldari should not give up IMO, remember when Minmatar had like 95% of all the systems. and now the Amarr have managed to get a lot of systems back and in the proces made shitloads of isk/LP. so Caldari, plz stop whining and start plexing.
At 1 point Caldari had like 75% of all the systems but they failed to flip the systems and make good use of it. If they would have flipped the systems before the last changes they would be on the winning side. they knew the changes were coming but did nothing with it. too bad, but thats not our fault.

I was out of game at that point, but I've heard repeatedly that Cal Militia guys didn't know of the change, until it happened. Honestly don't yea think if they knew in advance that they would have taken the systems or at least as many as possible?

Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover


Caldari have always had a devotion to the blob, working together and blues. The Gallente and many successful entities have always subscribed to individualism and I'm refering to single entities and lack there of.

^Who let this guy off his leach? Is he new?

Thats another thing that permeates Caldari factional warfare. Delusion...

Not new, just dont normally post on the gal circle jerk posts...

This thread is like unpacking a christmas gift every night.

I could not agree more. But I just wanted to add. An Amazing Christmas Gift every night. Not just the ****** christmas gifts. The one you really want. The one that gives you the Excitement Boners.

Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover

I had no doubt while I was in factional warfare that the current iteration of the Caldari millitia was the MOST POWERFUL it has ever been...

(snip-snip)

Congrats for the taking of Rakapas.

It was a little dissapointing to see so many Caldari in system yet only the four of us defending the last plex. We saw what was coming in but didn't really have a lot of choice but to stay and try to defend it.

Don't get too comfortable we'll be wanting that one back.

I've actually had this discussion before with former members of the Caldari Militia who'd joined RvB when I was there. It's definitely an interesting point.

Someone brought up the question the other day if the biography for the factions on new player creation steer a certain type of player towards one faction or the other. So you have a Caldari player, that should they decide to join faction war, will often join the faction of their character's race over another. So you have all these players who chose Caldari because the bio appealed to them sharing similar mindsets and you get what you addressed in your post.