If no one wants to invade or take our **** now why would they invade if they too along with us had to gate it everywhere

I remember you. Last week, in less than two siege cycle time, we formed up a fleet and cyno'd across four regions to slam dunk your dread fleet somewhere in Derelik low-sec. The whole time you were sperging in local and cursing at us incoherently.

Faction Warfare is better isk than incursions, more pvp to.

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Supers needs to get nerfed into Tier 2 Capitals in terms of price and ability. Thats it, there is no realistic alternative solution to supercap proliferation that doesnt involve a massive price hike in the form of either material cost or buildtime/accessability.

Price hikes don't work. It will always be overcome eventually. If titans were a trillion each in 3 years it would be a trivial amount.

The problem with supers is the obsolesence of the idea that they are supposed to be so far above average.

Which is why I said price hikes is not the way to go. I'd prefer to see supers in the 5-10 bil range in regards to buildcost. with regular caps not far behind, Tackle and ewar immunity needs to go. Ehp needs to get knocked down to maybe 10 mil tops for titans to make stuff blow up more ofthen. Supercarrier vs Carrier DPS also needs an overhaul, if regular carriers could use Fighter bombers we'd see alot less supers out there relatively quickly.


Changes like this would make current supercap pilots pissed off though as their investment drops in value. Hell, Im in an alliance and corp that has invested conciderably into supers and we'd see alot of money flushed down the toilet if something like this is implemented. Does not make it any less necessary however.

Supers needs to get nerfed into Tier 2 Capitals in terms of price and ability. Thats it, there is no realistic alternative solution to supercap proliferation that doesnt involve a massive price hike in the form of either material cost or buildtime/accessability.

Supers might be a problem but they are also a lense. People want to be on the field longer than 12 seconds, they get in a Super. Every nerf, buff, expansion, patch has evaded the one constant in EVE. Nothing tanks below super capitals. For reasons unexplained, CCP have refused to make Defense a valid play style. We adapted and simply refuse to fight battles we deem not worth the loss or loss of no strategic value. They can have it two ways. Fights that don't always end in a kill mail or no fights. They choose no fights.

Supers rarely get fielded because they are to expensive to risk in small numbers and when they do get fielded it's usually when you have the confidence of numbers on your side. Defense is a perfectly viable playstyle, I have survived being primriaried in 500 man fleet fights. I wont say it's easy or common it all depends on how many logis/triage carriers you have on field. The problem is not that we don't have the means, its how you make it happen. Being alpha striked is a part of mass pvp, if you don't like it stick to small gangs.

Supers also helped with that problem by nullifying subcaps on field untill the tracking nerfs.. Sov grinding is still a painful process without supers and dreads however.

Most problems in nullsec can be traced to supers in one way or another. Sov mechanics, capitals being useless without supers on call and mineral prices being the most prominent.

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I dont think supers are the problem , what i do think is their ability to move from region to another like a lightning , that promotes coalitions and coalitions promote blobs .

Maybe restrict their use on a 3 region radios from their "home" and they cant go further than that .

Supers are a non-issue now.

General power projection for jump drives and titan bridges is still a big issue, but not the actual place of supers in the chain of combat escalation, which people in this thread still seem to be harping about 8-10 months too late.

The problem with nerfing power projection right now is that it is currently the only way people manage to get fights in a galaxy where there really is no reason to fight anyone else. Therefore, a power projection nerf needs to coincide with the addition of features that increase localized gameplay so people don't want to go halfway across the galaxy to drop on someone because they have their own close to home content.

Perhaps if we remove projection of power the size of territories would be reduced and maybe more people would move in remove the needs for NIPs and just having gudfites anyway.

Perhaps if we remove projection of power the size of territories would be reduced and maybe more people would move in remove the needs for NIPs and just having gudfites anyway.

First point is that NIPs are a good thing for content, not bad. NIPs allow you to engage your neighbors in low end conflict with less fear that it will lead to terrible structure bashing, so they actually increase content by allowing controlled conflict.

As to your main point, I will not disagree that it is a possibility. However, it could also not work that way, leaving an already content starved nullsec even hungrier. The point about needing power projection is that there are so few actual wars worth having that you need the range capability to find a good one. If you only have the ability to attack one region over, then you'll likely have a few hyperpowerful alliances with massive dead-zones in between them, as they can't project power to fight someone worthy, they just demolish anyone brave enough to situate beside them in a desperate need for any kind of group content.

Again, you very well could be right, but you also very well could be wrong. I think there are better ways to approaching the issue with much better odds of positive outcomes.

It would be better if players didnt have to create nips in the first place but the gameplay and the number of people living in null made such things redundant. If players have to create artificial wars that have no direct benefit then that indicates something wrong.

Absolutely. Welcome to the "holy **** it's time to properly update nullsec for the first time since the game was released" club.

I believe that both projection of power must be reduced while value increased.. Goons owning large areas wouldn't be so bad if it was evenly populated. The only reason they control that territory is for consistency and a few strategic moons.

In all honesty if we made all of null worth great isk then it may be possible for HBC and CFC to control all of it with everyone joining them to have access to the easiest rats and ore turning null into a carebear's dream.