I think the part of the conversation that is missing is

With lo-sec and Wormholes do we really Need Null or more specifically Sov space

Over the years so much has been put into Null, resources wise, balancing adding, nerfing it that it is now a jumbled mess that needs even more resources to again fix. There is no guarantee that this time they will get it right either.

So why not just get rid of it?

The only real answer I can think of is, "But then those people would have to live near me".

Not really a great reason to keep the resource sucking chest wound Null is.

I am not recommending this course of action but I do feel it should be discussed and not just by the minority that is Null but by the community as a whole, after all it is our subscription fees that fund yet another fix Null drive.

I think the part of the conversation that is missing is

With lo-sec and Wormholes do we really Need Null or more specifically Sov space

Over the years so much has been put into Null, resources wise, balancing adding, nerfing it that it is now a jumbled mess that needs even more resources to again fix. There is no guarantee that this time they will get it right either.

So why not just get rid of it?

The only real answer I can think of is, "But then those people would have to live near me".

Not really a great reason to keep the resource sucking chest wound Null is.

I am not recommending this course of action but I do feel it should be discussed and not just by the minority that is Null but by the community as a whole, after all it is our subscription fees that fund yet another fix Null drive.

THE space that most of the trailers are about. THE space where most of the news has been genertated. THE space where a sandbox pvp game lets people both sand box AND pvp.

This is the single stupidest post anyone has ever posted in GD, and that's saying something.

So as I said being it is a massive resource hog, do we really need it?

nullsec has better PI than lowsec and highsec !

If it was changed so that super carriers had a hacking module that made sov structures vulnerable after being held 20 minutes, and it then took say 10 racial doomsdays to kill the thing, would that work better?
With the structure other wise invulnerable?

20 minutes to get together a blob or two and at least 10 titans, if not more, for a supercarrier killmail?

Nice... I think Boat would be very agreeable to this.

nullsec has better PI than lowsec and highsec !

First off - I have not lived in low sec for any large amount of time. Have primarily just roamed through it on occasion.

From an outside perspective I do agree that power projection does seem to be too effective. I would personally like to see ALL of null sec get its value buffed to a degree and have more smaller pockets of high value territory appearing. While giving Titans a primarily new role or reducing the range in which they can drop blobs on people.

I see so many empty unused systems that are completely unoccupied just sitting there doing nothing. I would like to see small corporations and alliances attempting to take, use and build infrastructure in said systems. Without having to deal with capitals being dropped on them, not because their territory even has value to an alliance, but 'simply because they could'. At the same time things need to become even more active then they are in order to maintain and flourish these territories.

The idea essentially becomes, is it logistically worth it to bigger alliances to stop other systems from being taken when they don't even use them? With the POS changes this would get even better. But at the moment it seems that large amounts of alliances don't even fully use the regions they occupy, nor do they have to station a garrison in regions they plan on holding because they can simply drop death on one lone frigate.

Wormhole PI is better.

null has quite a few things better but it gets ignored a lot since people are swimming in moon goo

- the same if you factor in downtime due to neuts in local (incursions, grinding rats, ...)

So, if we nerfed local...

So, if we nerfed local...

this is not true

exploration and PI are the only things that scale well, everything else is
either

- actually worse in most cases (mining, industry)
- the same if you factor in downtime due to neuts in local (incursions, grinding rats, ...)

mining is (much) worse

do not forget that you also 'have to' mine stuff like gneiss and spodumain, picking the raisins does not work for anything that involves a group of players. it is also a major pain in the ass and very very expensive (a minmatar outpost and several amarr outposts, several towers, rorquals, and at least one JF if you actually want to mine and/or produce on a corporation or alliance basis)

What if: instead of paying to hold sovereignty, you GOT PAID to have sov. A specific amount per system. Good money, like really really good money. Wouldn't all of nullsec erupt into war as the ~elite pvp~ dudes who dont care about sov in its current incarnation because its useless want to take some?

Hell even the little guys could get in and snatch up all the unclaimed systems. Base payouts upon truesec.

The elite peeveepee guys are busy ganking miners and sitting around waiting for freighter in Niarja and Uaedama... The emorage against highsec is fail poasting by people who make their living in high but can't be seen shaking it twice when done.

We should nerf cyno's then you couldn't drop 10 titans on a super.

what if cynos only worked at the end of the 10 minute cycle?
Would that reduce capital?

Also what of my other suggestions?

I have an idea: let's just delete all the supercaps in the game. I've stated time and time again that I don't think the bridge mechanic is actually a problem, but honestly I could give two ***** less if the fleet battleship became the mainstay of all sov warfare.

Also reduce all structure HP by about 50% to compensate.

The supercap balancing act is just impossible.

Supercap proliferation - They're proliferated. That's the problem. Something needs to be done about supers, and I don't mean nerfing them. They need to be buffed so that they're worth fielding but made easier to kill so that fleets have a chance. I have no idea how to do this, maybe you do?

Supers might be a problem but they are also a lense. People want to be on the field longer than 12 seconds, they get in a Super. Every nerf, buff, expansion, patch has evaded the one constant in EVE. Nothing tanks below super capitals. For reasons unexplained, CCP have refused to make Defense a valid play style. We adapted and simply refuse to fight battles we deem not worth the loss or loss of no strategic value. They can have it two ways. Fights that don't always end in a kill mail or no fights. They choose no fights.

lack of smallscale pvp targets
- hostile gangs can only disrupt active income generation and travel, this is mostly boring, not rewarding and there is no reason to undock other than "i would actually like to fight these dudes"

- Solution:
-- hostile gangs should be able to destroy, sabotage and disrupt all kinds of income generation, from PI installations to inventions and production lines. there should be plenty reasons to stop the dudes currently roaming through your space, because they actually cost you ISK and time instead of just beeing annoying