So smaller alliances would be able to make a foot hold in this less used space rather than having to face a massive blob that has titan bridged in because you are trying to take one of the mega alliances Sov systems.

What I never understand in this scenario is; what is the small upstart corporation going to do with a system that a much larger and wealthier alliance couldn't find a use for?

CCP needs to brainstorm on how to bring back small gangs and kill the nullsec alliances, and coalitions, but it may to big of a monster to tackle and change. anyways im rambling, fly safe......

Yeah having friends is evil and needs to be murdered in the most bloody manner.

The fact that alliances hold large amounts of space isn't itself a problem, it's the fact that no one wants to even try to fight for new sov because the reward for winning a terrible solar system from a large alliance is a bill.

Sov is already tied to usage, if you never used or needed the sov nobody would show up to defend it. Fleet losses come at a price. You can't replace player morale with isk, and morale is something that every bloc-level FC in the game thinks of before they commit to a campaign. If you win a meaningless war at a high cost, people are going to ask questions and doubt your ability.

The fact that alliances hold large amounts of space isn't itself a problem, it's the fact that no one wants to even try to fight for new sov because the reward for winning a terrible solar system from a large alliance is a bill. Smaller entities biting at the heels of larger ones are currently 100% able to take sov from existing entities. If you want a good example take a look at WHY SO SERIOUS in Detroid/Wicked Creek who have defeated the mighty SOLAR while their back was turned and have founded their own coalition. There are just very little incentives for scenarios like this to play out right now.

If you made space more valuable, large coalitions spanning multiple regions would become more volatile as they simple become unnecessary. Situations may arise where space is abandoned in order to fight a "greater evil", or specific alliances don't pull their weight, and animosity will grow between allies.

The solution to the sov issue shouldn't be to put in place artificial limits, like a cap on sov systems you can take, a minimum military index, limiting the amount of players in an alliance, or to nerf/remove fast movement. They are only attempts at fixing symptoms. The solution is to address the problem head on. Make space worth holding for everybody.

No the solution is not just to buff the space up and make the mega alliances into super mega alliances.
Just buffing null with no negatives will just make the current problems worse not better.

The solution is very much that if you want to hold Sov on a system you must use it, yes some larger alliances might decide space is not worth it and not be multi region

Forcing groups to grind systems in order to keep them is not a fun mechanic. You want to people to have an incentive to do something, not punish them for being too successful. Plus it doesn't even work well, if you wanted to have a buffer zone you could just let the space go and block anyone who tries to live there. It also gives an incentive for alliances to recruit as many people as possible (blob) so you can keep indexes up in every system they want to hold. It's a solution for the symptom. Bad space that an alliance doesn't want or isn't worthwhile to defend heavily would end up being taken by a smallholding alliance if it was worth it.

Large alliances already rule nullsec. How are they going to rule even more after changes are made? All of the isk in the world means nothing if you are not having fun, and large, rich groups not having fun will splinter. The fixes would allow for a new pathway to open up for progressively smaller blocs to jump into the fray, which is a Good Thing. At the very least there will be more targets for elite-pvp types to shoot up. Things can't get much worse than they already are in terms of coalition size.

There is very little to remove from nullsec because to be quite honest there is very little to take away from it in the first place without drastically changing nullsec life for the worse. When things get added, we can start talking about adjusting certain things. Namely local/dscan/intelligence gathering which is better off being discussed down the road because right now there are more important things to worry about.


Forcing groups to grind systems in order to keep them is not a fun mechanic. You want to people to have an incentive to do something, not punish them for being too successful. Plus it doesn't even work well, if you wanted to have a buffer zone you could just let the space go and block anyone who tries to live there. It also gives an incentive for alliances to recruit as many people as possible (blob) so you can keep indexes up in every system they want to hold. It's a solution for the symptom. Bad space that an alliance doesn't want or isn't worthwhile to defend heavily would end up being taken by a smallholding alliance if it was worth it.

Blobbing and ratting CTAs sound like fun. Also, we could always use more structure shooting. Eg: The rats set up a proper gate camp, complete with bubbles, instalocking ships and capitals waiting for a cyno. You must then kill their SBU, which, because NPCs are dumb, has 10x the EHP of a player SBU.

Supers might be a problem but they are also a lense. People want to be on the field longer than 12 seconds, they get in a Super. Every nerf, buff, expansion, patch has evaded the one constant in EVE. Nothing tanks below super capitals. For reasons unexplained, CCP have refused to make Defense a valid play style. We adapted and simply refuse to fight battles we deem not worth the loss or loss of no strategic value. They can have it two ways. Fights that don't always end in a kill mail or no fights. They choose no fights.

Me personally I think the numbers in TEST and Goonswarm are great, however the massive amount of unused space you have under Sov and the fact that you can and do minimize risk with bridges, titan bridges and jump ships, makes Null kind of pointless and a bit like a hi-sec suburb.

Well, this is due to the fact that damage don-¦t really reduces your ships capabilities. You are 100% effective until you explode. If your ship would be less and less effective with damage, slower, modules offlining and so on... then and only then the alpha strike would only be viable for VIP-targets, for the normal case a fleet with numerous damaged ships would be less effective than a fleet that is perfectly fine aside from losing one ship. Until damage will have an effect, fleet fights will remain alpha vs. logi.

The solution to the sov issue shouldn't be to put in place artificial limits, like a cap on sov systems you can take, a minimum military index, limiting the amount of players in an alliance, or to nerf/remove fast movement. They are only attempts at fixing symptoms. The solution is to address the problem head on. Make space worth holding for everybody.

Actually, very few of the systems we hold are never used. You can find activity going on in any of our systems each day.

The funny thing is, we aren't the bad guys in this whole "unused space" issue. It is an issue nullsec has, but we are hardly the worst offenders. But Nullsec == Goons for so many here.

Of the great nullsec empires, the in-game map only shows me one that keeps unclaimed space in its borders. And it ain't the GSF.

Our space is used, upgraded, and we even have our POCOs on the vast majority of the planets.

I've been playing since December 2007, so basically the start of 2008.

mining is (much) worse

do not forget that you also 'have to' mine stuff like gneiss and spodumain, picking the raisins does not work for anything that involves a group of players. it is also a major pain in the ass and very very expensive (a minmatar outpost and several amarr outposts, several towers, rorquals, and at least one JF if you actually want to mine and/or produce on a corporation or alliance basis)

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Most people don't notice because, once into structure, they die faster than they notice the modules taking damage. Either that, or they are already overheating and not noticing the extra damage.

I've read alot of posts here today that go along in my direction. There is not enough penalty for ever growing numbers may it be corporations, alliances, coalitions or fleet fights.
Smaller is better!

Smaller is better!

EVE, you're best when you're alone.

Space: Cold, harsh, forever alone, elite solo.

Seems you found the smallest small there. No, not that small. But much smaller than the current numbers of the top 10 alliances.

so you mean mining in high-sec is much better? mining when you often can't just run 2+ cycles of strip miner because average asteroid tends to deplete?
I remember how i tried to mine in empire after 0.0: it was really painful because of small scattered roids. Quite a big difference with 0.0 when you sit semi-afk in one place mining 1 roid and droping your ore into can.

on the other side: how did it happen so ABC got so cheap? When i used to mine in 0.0 i remember ABC were giving quite nice profit above all other ores.

Goonswarm low to no use in the last 48 hours

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/XCBK-X

As to POCOs these are another set and forget idea, by use I mean mining, ratting, plex running ect...