My points are as follows:

1. Nobody should be perfectly safe. Docked up or not, there are aspects of the game which you are exposed to that have been modified in some way by other people. (In space you can lose your ship. In station you can be scammed or be a victim of market manipulation)
2. If someone has the willpower, knowledge, and resources, he should be able to affect other people within the game, whether negatively or positively, directly or indirectly.
3. Nobody playing this game is "not affecting anybody else". Every action you do has a direct or indirect impact on other players.
4. If someone is affecting my game, I should be able to affect their game, as per #2 (either directly or indirectly) in a way that is proportional to the amount of effort I put into doing such.
5. The individual on the receiving end of such effort should be able to respond, and if they want to avoid it, it should require effort comparable to the effort the first person put into it in the first place.

Hmm. I don't believe the ganking of "helpless highsec noobs" was ever the topic of this thread. Do you read, or just badpoast?

Fair, but in my eyes it seems that the industrialists are the aggressors for not being more careful who they sell to.

What about in lowsec? With some research and watching it's fairly easy to determine what corps are sending viators and the odd jump freighter into my enemy's station, and via contracts you can trace it back to the supplying corp fairly easy. Lowsec doesn't have a huge thriving economy so it's far easier to pick out the suppliers. And yeah, they personally don't have the ability to fight back. But isn't that what getting allies are for?

You're not following my post.

The haulers go to lowsec, where they seed the market. They pick up the items from an additional corporation that is producing it all in high sec, via contract.

That's how I read it.

Anyone who will drop a corp for a wardec is probably a CEO of a small corporation who just wants to be left alone. They probably don't have the manpower or the resources to handle such a threat in any other way.

If you want to pick a fight, why not pick a fight against someone who might be able to mount an actual defense.

Or are we seriously talking about big corporations disbanding because an equally sized or smaller corp has wardecced them?

There are many industrial corps that are directly supplying my enemies and my allies as well. Thomas is saying that because they cannot fight back (because they CHOSE to create industrial characters), and that even though they are affecting my game, I should not have the ability fight them?

Yeah, maybe they can't fight back. But they chose to be "helpless" when they spent their time being industrial characters. There's whole new mechanics in place to help out with that now.

So, Eve shouldn't be fair to all parties? Is there a particular reason why people who put in equal amounts of effort shouldn't have commensurate results?

Sun Tzu said it best in The Art of War:
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

This thread is officially going places, someone quoted Sun Tzu... because that is not only edgy and cool, it simply illustrates you as seething with relevance and game knowledge.





That was sarcasm.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. You were on point, concise, and most importantly, offered a well thought out response that was both original and insightful.

You need to accept that those who CHOSE not to, are going to use everything at their disposal to avoid you to continue on about their merry way.

Mmm. Yes. And if people like the OP didn't make opposition posts to your right to choose to avoid all player to player interaction, then the original Dec Shield would probably still be a thing.

Its not like this thread will go places. It's just entitlement issues on both sides of the coin. "I'm entitled to kill you!" "I'm entitled to avoid conflict!"

I'm entitled to call this thread silly and everyone who takes EVE too seriously also silly. SILLY.

Being a CEO of a small corporation does not make them "helpless highsec noobs." Sometimes these are alt corps for someone we might be warring. And then sometimes these are 4 year old characters who just want to "mission and mine in peace" but apparently we're not allowed to go after them because they don't want it.

How are you not allowed? Who's stopping you?

You're using one game mechanic to try to force them to fight you. They are using another game mechanic to avoid fighting you.

So the cost of being a **** is higher than trying not to be a ****? Welcome to a civilized world :)

Lol high sec troubles.

Simple fix - war decced corps can't be closed, and CEO can't leave a war decced corp. course there is always the alt workaround, however that is time consuming enough that it would make the process irritating to the CEO corp hopper.

Whether you are industrial or pvp'er none should have immunity from retribution, period.