It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.

I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

I am whining about that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.

I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. We then have to wardec them again, to grief them, wich is costing a lot of isk, whine whine whine

Eve to me is RL and to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.

I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.

I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

War Decs against individual players?

Spoken like a true NPC corp nobody.

well 1 in 6 people get it. Not bad actually!

Simply put creating and destroying a corp should not be a whimsical thing. And yes everyone can always do it as an alt thing, however if there where greater delay times in dropping roles/getting out of a corp that's war decced (i.e. officers could not escape quickly if they get their corp war decced) then we could improve the quality of corps there, and anyone that just alts officer their corp and gets war decced cuz they are socially inept (to put it politely) would then find their game time ruined for say 1 week while their corp is disolved etc.

Just and idea, kick it around guys.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors,

I think there should be a cost involved in setting up a corp
it costs a bill to set up an alliance why not a smaller cost to start a corp

I think there should be a cost involved in setting up a corp
it costs a bill to set up an alliance why not a smaller cost to start a corp

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

IRL you can't wardec a corporation.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.

Problem solved.

Because 50m is significant somehow right?

The Wardec mechanism, as flawed as it still is, is the game's analog of several RL tactics for attacking a competitors business...

except for the wardec mechanism, which, in my opinion, is still only a way to grief others.

Because 50m is significant somehow right?

The point is that its the same cost as wardecing them.

Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.

Problem solved.

HTFU and go move some freight or something. What the hell do you think the war dec mechanic is going to be for? Holding hands and singing songs while we discuss the latest industry movements?

I want what you have, so I'm going to war dec to kill you for it!

I mean really, this is EVE, not Hello Kitty Online.

I fail to see any.

If I'm in a civilised country (let's compare this to High-Sec), there's no way someone can attack and destroy, legally, my assets.

they can try to screw my market, which is also true in this game.
they can try to poach my employee (pilots), which is also true in this game.
they can try to undermine my credibility...

this game corporation and market mechanism is somewhat already pretty close to IRL, except for the wardec mechanism, which, in my opinion, is still only a way to grief others.

War Decs against individual players?

That is HARDLY the only defense. People don't like being creative and coming up with solutions, they would much rather use outdated mechanics to cheat the system.

Can't say I blame them, it's certainly easier than fighting yourself, or getting mercs, or staying docked up for a week. That doesn't make it any less dumb.

Edit: Looking for a "plausible reason" for spending 50mil creating a corporation is fallacy. You can come up with numerous reasons why 50mil is too much, or why 50mil isn't enough.

with wardec, you can only destroy.

IRL you can't wardec a corporation.

Yes, clearly not everybody is pvp-centric. That is a choice that each of us make when we play this game, and every choice, even those, have consequences. Not being able to defend yourself in a meaningful way is a consequence.

And what about all those corps that are supplying my enemies with resources, ships, and industrial backbone? I can destroy thousands of ships and it won't matter if they keep getting resupplied.

If you want to pvp why don't you dec corps that actually want to fight, or get out of high sec?

If you want to pvp why don't you dec corps that actually want to fight, or get out of high sec?

Alright, then. Industrialists don't have to be touched by PvP. All we ask in return is that PvPers don't have to pay for their ships, modules, or other supplies. Sound fair?

Alright, then. Industrialists don't have to be touched by PvP. All we ask in return is that PvPers don't have to pay for their ships, modules, or other supplies. Sound fair?

Yes, clearly not everybody is pvp-centric. That is a choice that each of us make when we play this game, and every choice, even those, have consequences. Not being able to defend yourself in a meaningful way is a consequence. I'm simply saying that a 50mil isk war dec fee and 50mil isk corp formation fee balances it out for both sides. You want to remake? Fine. Go ahead. Each of you can make the other poor through 50mil isk fees, or figure out a way to fix it without running to the mechanics for the answer.

You know, in this game that involves other players, you can't always play your way. I can't always play mine, either.

First, I am quite space rich, so the extra isk really doesn't bug me too much. What does bug me is that the people or person can jump corp and evade the war in its entirety for a paltry 2 mil isk, negating any and all work that has been done to track the targets, figure out what targets are actually the ones I want, and any other work.. Perhaps if corps were actually more meaningful to people, they wouldn't want to jump them so easily, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Second, every single thing that people do in this game has an impact on other people, whether directly or indirectly. By creating ships and goods and selling it to my enemies the industrialists are indirectly affecting my war effort, in a negative way. And I should have the ability to rectify the situation, should I not? By jumping corp and reforming, I am unable to rectify the situation.

If every single industrial corporation created items for their own personal use and never sold them to anybody, then yeah.. you're not affecting anybody.

I'm sure every griefer who wardec a corp is taking to time to "track" their target.

Posting in a true "HTFU" thread created by those who want to gank helpless highsec noobs. If they only could see the irony themselves...

In any case, plenty of 'civilised countries' where i do business on a weekly / monthly basis operate on the principal that if i want to do business with someone... rather large brown envelopes are the done thing... (hey dont judge...) if i dont like what a competitor is doing i can wreck any chance them being able to do business in that teritory with some well placed envelopes... if i want them gone, there are plenty of territories where..... well lets not go into that particular rabbit hole.

Restricting War Decs, removing them or making them more expensive will not fix the issue. There are legitimate reasons for creating corps and / or dropping out of them them quickly / in quick succession (for example premade corps and standings services) but IMHO you should not restrict peoples ability to corp hop like this... its a game mechanic just like the War Decs... as i said before the more annoying a target becomes the sweeter it will be when you catch them in the end...

Research is an important aspect of being successful at killing people in high sec, even if the targets are not prepared to defend themselves.

a simple check on my corp description would allow anyone to see that there are nothing usefull deccing Red Frog Freight

My points are as follows:

1. Nobody should be perfectly safe. Docked up or not, there are aspects of the game which you are exposed to that have been modified in some way by other people. (In space you can lose your ship. In station you can be scammed or be a victim of market manipulation)
2. If someone has the willpower, knowledge, and resources, he should be able to affect other people within the game, whether negatively or positively, directly or indirectly.
3. Nobody playing this game is "not affecting anybody else". Every action you do has a direct or indirect impact on other players.
4. If someone is affecting my game, I should be able to affect their game, as per #2 (either directly or indirectly) in a way that is proportional to the amount of effort I put into doing such.
5. The individual on the receiving end of such effort should be able to respond, and if they want to avoid it, it should require effort comparable to the effort the first person put into it in the first place.

Hmm. I don't believe the ganking of "helpless highsec noobs" was ever the topic of this thread. Do you read, or just badpoast?

Fair, but in my eyes it seems that the industrialists are the aggressors for not being more careful who they sell to.

What about in lowsec? With some research and watching it's fairly easy to determine what corps are sending viators and the odd jump freighter into my enemy's station, and via contracts you can trace it back to the supplying corp fairly easy. Lowsec doesn't have a huge thriving economy so it's far easier to pick out the suppliers. And yeah, they personally don't have the ability to fight back. But isn't that what getting allies are for?

You're not following my post.

The haulers go to lowsec, where they seed the market. They pick up the items from an additional corporation that is producing it all in high sec, via contract.

That's how I read it.

Anyone who will drop a corp for a wardec is probably a CEO of a small corporation who just wants to be left alone. They probably don't have the manpower or the resources to handle such a threat in any other way.

If you want to pick a fight, why not pick a fight against someone who might be able to mount an actual defense.

Or are we seriously talking about big corporations disbanding because an equally sized or smaller corp has wardecced them?

There are many industrial corps that are directly supplying my enemies and my allies as well. Thomas is saying that because they cannot fight back (because they CHOSE to create industrial characters), and that even though they are affecting my game, I should not have the ability fight them?

Yeah, maybe they can't fight back. But they chose to be "helpless" when they spent their time being industrial characters. There's whole new mechanics in place to help out with that now.

So, Eve shouldn't be fair to all parties? Is there a particular reason why people who put in equal amounts of effort shouldn't have commensurate results?

Sun Tzu said it best in The Art of War:
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

This thread is officially going places, someone quoted Sun Tzu... because that is not only edgy and cool, it simply illustrates you as seething with relevance and game knowledge.





That was sarcasm.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. You were on point, concise, and most importantly, offered a well thought out response that was both original and insightful.

You need to accept that those who CHOSE not to, are going to use everything at their disposal to avoid you to continue on about their merry way.

Mmm. Yes. And if people like the OP didn't make opposition posts to your right to choose to avoid all player to player interaction, then the original Dec Shield would probably still be a thing.

Its not like this thread will go places. It's just entitlement issues on both sides of the coin. "I'm entitled to kill you!" "I'm entitled to avoid conflict!"

I'm entitled to call this thread silly and everyone who takes EVE too seriously also silly. SILLY.

Being a CEO of a small corporation does not make them "helpless highsec noobs." Sometimes these are alt corps for someone we might be warring. And then sometimes these are 4 year old characters who just want to "mission and mine in peace" but apparently we're not allowed to go after them because they don't want it.

How are you not allowed? Who's stopping you?

You're using one game mechanic to try to force them to fight you. They are using another game mechanic to avoid fighting you.

So the cost of being a **** is higher than trying not to be a ****? Welcome to a civilized world :)

Lol high sec troubles.

Simple fix - war decced corps can't be closed, and CEO can't leave a war decced corp. course there is always the alt workaround, however that is time consuming enough that it would make the process irritating to the CEO corp hopper.

Whether you are industrial or pvp'er none should have immunity from retribution, period.

It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.

I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.

Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.

Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.

posting in a stealth "Nerf James 315" thread