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Ian Harms
Friends of Honor C0VEN
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:25:00 -
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It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.
I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.
Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in. |

Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
464
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:19:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.
I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.
Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in. Welcome to the many problems with wardecs. Hyjinx of a Highsec Pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |

Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
66
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:12:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:I am whining about that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.
I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. We then have to wardec them again, to grief them, wich is costing a lot of isk, whine whine whine
Eve to me is RL and to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.
Translated the most important part of your post for you, so everybody can understand what you are trying to say! |

Zekk Pacus
RPS holdings
1
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:59:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:
Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.
Fine I'll create 4 alts, 2 mission runners and 2 industrialists. Each one will pay for itself and i'll have my 5 man tax haven corp.
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Risien Drogonne
Aliastra Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:01:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.
I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.
Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in. Whose experience are YOU enriching by wardeccing 1 person? |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3081
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:20:00 -
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Spoken like a true NPC corp nobody. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
352
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:03:00 -
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A timer on corp dissolution would make sense actually. There's a timer on practically everything else...and at least it would give you the 24 hour window to kill your tax evader. Corp dissolution and recreation is silly, since the dedicated people will keep re-wardeccing anyway.
Also, Evolution, sometimes you can get paid to war dec and target an individual. Happens when people **** others off. It isn't always about "griefing the solo player" as you seem to imply. Retribution and all that. Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |

Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
15
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:10:00 -
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War Decs against individual players? Nivin Sajjad > we fly perpetually networked, neural interfaced spaceships yet can't communicate coordinates to each other without physically passing back and forth little pieces of paper. it's weird |

Ian Harms
Friends of Honor C0VEN
1
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:02:00 -
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well 1 in 6 people get it. Not bad actually!
Simply put creating and destroying a corp should not be a whimsical thing. And yes everyone can always do it as an alt thing, however if there where greater delay times in dropping roles/getting out of a corp that's war decced (i.e. officers could not escape quickly if they get their corp war decced) then we could improve the quality of corps there, and anyone that just alts officer their corp and gets war decced cuz they are socially inept (to put it politely) would then find their game time ruined for say 1 week while their corp is disolved etc.
Just and idea, kick it around guys.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
166
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:55:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:It seems odd to me that a CEO can close his corp and instantly build or join another corp without a timer - you can't drop roles and move, but if you destroy your solo tax haven corp and start another you can dodge war decs.
I sort of think we should have a delay timer so people can't just be building lots of crappy little corps that serve no purpose but give them a tax dodge. They aren't using them to enrich other player's experience, which is the ultimate duty of being a CEO.
Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
Just my 2 cent, everyone else can weigh in.
You'd just have single players in NPC corps loosely affiliated if you want such an enriched experience then it is up to you, don't like the corp you joined look for one that suits your game play it's easy if you use the recruiting board to put in your desires and see what floats to the top. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
352
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:09:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:War Decs against individual players?
War decs caused by an individual player's actions to be more specific. CEO ship theft from a member is a common one. Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
556
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:31:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Spoken like a true NPC corp nobody. he's still... kinda right... sorta... kinda... [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
1056
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:35:00 -
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Shrug and Move on. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |

magic preacher
Concentrated Evil The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.12.27 12:01:00 -
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I think there should be a cost involved in setting up a corp it costs a bill to set up an alliance why not a smaller cost to start a corp |

Gallia Isengrin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.27 12:59:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:well 1 in 6 people get it. Not bad actually!
Simply put creating and destroying a corp should not be a whimsical thing. And yes everyone can always do it as an alt thing, however if there where greater delay times in dropping roles/getting out of a corp that's war decced (i.e. officers could not escape quickly if they get their corp war decced) then we could improve the quality of corps there, and anyone that just alts officer their corp and gets war decced cuz they are socially inept (to put it politely) would then find their game time ruined for say 1 week while their corp is disolved etc.
Just and idea, kick it around guys.
Shure. Griefing should stay easy and cheap as fkk. Carebear Ganker Sheep, rofl.
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Kirkwood Ross
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:29:00 -
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If you wardec someone or if someone wardecs you and they disolve the corp because of the war. You not only won the war but you stained their employment history forever. Everytime they look at that employment history they are reminded of how much of a wenis they are. |

Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:00:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote:Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors,
Not even close to the truth. In real life, you can incorporate yourself, without the need for any additional personnel. |

Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
198
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:32:00 -
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magic preacher wrote:I think there should be a cost involved in setting up a corp it costs a bill to set up an alliance why not a smaller cost to start a corp
It does cost a small fee to start a corp. |

FeralShadow
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:07:00 -
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Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.
Problem solved. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176
"I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |

Elrich Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:15:00 -
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magic preacher wrote:I think there should be a cost involved in setting up a corp it costs a bill to set up an alliance why not a smaller cost to start a corp That is a great idea. I think it would help those who make war dec corps out a whole lot to increase their cost to grief. |

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
174
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:03:00 -
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Ian Harms wrote: Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
IRL you can't wardec a corporation.
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Khador Vess
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.29 00:56:00 -
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Red Frog Rufen wrote: IRL you can't wardec a corporation.
The Wardec mechanism, as flawed as it still is, is the game's analog of several RL tactics for attacking a competitors business...
Ian Harms wrote: Ya know in RL to have a corporation you need a support staff, a board of directors, if we made it necessary for corps in eve to have multiple players to begin a corp (maybe 5 toons with certain skills trained) we'd have less crap corps, and possibly insure more corps succeed as any corp needs multiple leaders to manage it.
IRL i can create a corporation with my wife as the secretary and me as the sole director, thats it... nothing else required so im afraid the 'support staff' bit doesnt really wash...IMHO we need to encourage people to move out of NPC corps, (and i believe the 11% tax is not enough of an incentive... give them more incentives to leave please CCP) and things like raising the bar to creating corps works against this... I take on board the point about more corps being successful with a stronger leadership / larger leadership base, but if a single guy and his alts wants to run a corp so he can run a pos and do research more power to him, but with great power comes great responsibility...
Corp hopping sucks, but if someone is willing to lose the corp name etc and burn it to avoid a wardec, then meh, screw them, dec the new corp and raise the ransom when you catch them...
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Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1251
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Posted - 2012.12.29 08:40:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.
Problem solved.
Because 50m is significant somehow right?
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Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.29 09:49:00 -
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Xolve wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.
Problem solved. Because 50m is significant somehow right?
yeah i'm not even good and thats like, 3 hours mining at most Nivin Sajjad > we fly perpetually networked, neural interfaced spaceships yet can't communicate coordinates to each other without physically passing back and forth little pieces of paper. it's weird |

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
174
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Posted - 2012.12.29 19:02:00 -
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Khador Vess wrote:
The Wardec mechanism, as flawed as it still is, is the game's analog of several RL tactics for attacking a competitors business...
I fail to see any.
If I'm in a civilised country (let's compare this to High-Sec), there's no way someone can attack and destroy, legally, my assets.
they can try to screw my market, which is also true in this game. they can try to poach my employee (pilots), which is also true in this game. they can try to undermine my credibility...
this game corporation and market mechanism is somewhat already pretty close to IRL, except for the wardec mechanism, which, in my opinion, is still only a way to grief others.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
407
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Posted - 2012.12.29 19:57:00 -
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Red Frog Rufen wrote:except for the wardec mechanism, which, in my opinion, is still only a way to grief others.
HTFU and go move some freight or something. What the hell do you think the war dec mechanic is going to be for? Holding hands and singing songs while we discuss the latest industry movements?
I want what you have, so I'm going to war dec to kill you for it!
I mean really, this is EVE, not Hello Kitty Online. Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |

Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
460
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:08:00 -
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Xolve wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.
Problem solved. Because 50m is significant somehow right?
The point is that its the same cost as wardecing them. |

Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1261
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:26:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:The point is that its the same cost as wardecing them.
I understand his point, the man wants his legal space jihad against whoever he feels like deccing, and if they ditch the corp they are out just as much isk as he is. Given WarDecs past history as a tool for taking the **** out of harmless mission runners, mining corps, and many industrials on station undocks, I think the balance of 2m to join the corp, 50m to dec it whenever you feel the need is currently intact.
This thread is essentially a whine about someone who dec'd a corp who folded their corp, and started another one. My point however was, as long as the cost to create a corp is less than the cost of the ships members of the dec'd corp fly, corps will continue to fold regardless of price. Regardless, 50m isk is a trivial sum anyway you look at it- even if they raise the cost of forming corps, how will you force people to log in under a wardec once their corp is dec'd and the price to roll a new corp is so unequivocally high they don't want to pay it?
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Elrich Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:34:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:Make it cost 50mil to start a new corp. No timers, no nothin. it costs 50mil to dec them, so the 50mil will mean that the corp dissolver is losing as much as the war deccer is.
Problem solved. War decers pay concord 50mil to look the other way. Who are you paying 50mil to and for what reason? |

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
176
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:40:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Red Frog Rufen wrote:except for the wardec mechanism, which, in my opinion, is still only a way to grief others. HTFU and go move some freight or something. What the hell do you think the war dec mechanic is going to be for? Holding hands and singing songs while we discuss the latest industry movements? I want what you have, so I'm going to war dec to kill you for it! I mean really, this is EVE, not Hello Kitty Online.
well, if you really want something, go build/buy it yourself. with wardec, you can only destroy.
Now, if you wardec my corp (and i'm not talking about Red Frog Freight, because there's nothing worth deccing for in it) why would I stay in that corp? I just need to have a backup corp and move my character there.
the only real high-sec risk in this game is ganking. Non-mutual wardec brings nothing to this game.
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