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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3220
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:55:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy. Sure. Let's talk about how you euthanized these poor little clones before they could even grow out of hisec then. Our newbies indeed commit suicide with their clone set to a station in a system like VFK. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.01.18 00:37:00 -
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*puts on his robe and tinfoil hat
What we have here people is a new type of awox. It is dirty, very cunning but very very dirty. I bet the OP himself is a goonswarm alt and was in a long range scam where he set up a "mission" corporation in the hopes of scamming several people out of their BPOs, Ships and other Items by using "help" and "low,low tax" as honey to draw in the poor defenseless carebears. Then invites a fellow awoxer to "gank" his ship (where is the kill mail for this, he types it out, I find that suspicious) and uses this as a pretext to "ragekick" out the carebears.
So he loses a single CNR (probably with no fit, he only needed to undock it incase a member was around the station, or maybe it was a regular raven, the carebears might not of noticed the difference) and in return rakes in billions from thft loot.
very cleaver. I give you no medals though. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
50
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Posted - 2013.01.18 14:41:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:I just noticed the OP's name is "NPC"
Translated to EVE: Don't give them roles in the corp so you can kick them the second anything hairy happens, be more selective about who you choose and what you let newer members do, and don't flaunt an expensive ship unless you're around ell trusted people, keep a cheaper but still effective ship on hand when working with people you don't have full trust with yet.
You make a lot of good points.
In my defense . . .
He did not have any roles, but he has to dock to be kicked.
He had just flown 18 jumps to add some DPS to a mission.
He had been in the corp for less than half an hour.
Getting rid of corp members may well have been an over reaction, but I can't afford two losses like that in one week, let alone one day. The main result of the gank, for me, was just more erosion of trust in fellow players. It's easy to say that we can trust most players, but I don't think that is true, and, anyway, which ones?
If corp members can gank each other at will, and I just had a good example of that, why have corp members? Some of the corp members now have ships that are more expensive than that CNR. I have to think of their safety, too.
BTW, recruiting practices have changed drastically. Also, we have an agreement now, that anyone who targets another corp member's ship, unless he is flying a Logi, becomes target number 1. And I make that very clear to new joins.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
50
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:09:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:*puts on his robe and tinfoil hat
What we have here people is a new type of awox. It is dirty, very cunning but very very dirty. I bet the OP himself is a goonswarm alt and was in a long range scam where he set up a "mission" corporation in the hopes of scamming several people out of their BPOs, Ships and other Items by using "help" and "low,low tax" as honey to draw in the poor defenseless carebears. Then invites a fellow awoxer to "gank" his ship (where is the kill mail for this, he types it out, I find that suspicious) and uses this as a pretext to "ragekick" out the carebears.
So he loses a single CNR (probably with no fit, he only needed to undock it incase a member was around the station, or maybe it was a regular raven, the carebears might not of noticed the difference) and in return rakes in billions from thft loot.
very cleaver. I give you no medals though.
Glad you put on your tinfoil hat before posting this.
I've never been a goonie. Some of my characters have fought against the goonies, but none has ever been a member.
The corporation does not accept 'gifts' from corp members. The corp doesn't need any more ISK than we make from taxes now in order to do what it does. If corp members have ships, BPOs or ISK that are just burning holes in their pockets, they need to find someone else to give them to.
I haven't been able to find a kill mail. I guess he didn't post it, and even if I knew how to post a kill mail, why would I post a loss?
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
874
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:23:00 -
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After this corp was created I met up through one of the members with a few pirates. Was asked to do a level 4 with them, the CEO needed to crank up his sec status.
All the way during the L4 mission I had my camera turned backwards keeping an eye out for anything fishy. Nothing happened. We became befriended, even joined the newly Alliance, stepped out of this corp at some point and joined the pirates, even though I'm not one but thought it could be handy knowing how they work and I liked to see a bit more then boring high-sec.
Been in low sec, null sec, blew up a few POS and Sov modules, helped mopping up the remains of IT, got kicked out of Querious by Atlas, and all still was peachy.
Two and a half years later the now Ex-CEO, crawls his way back into the corp in another character and runs away with 3 bil. of my BPO's and all my POS modules.
It's the way EVE works. Either live with it or toss the towel in the ring.
Just one little item, when I left the corp, one of the remaining members send me 3 bil. out of his own pocket. I'm still thinking of giving it back (no you cannot have it), since I already had written it off.
It's a weird universe out here. Maybe that's why we're so passionate about it. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:26:00 -
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I trust Goons completely. No question about it. |
Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
787
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:38:00 -
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No problem with Goons. It's the alts of that RL corp that freek me out, those guys are creepy. Better off solo!
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Khergit Deserters
648
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Posted - 2013.01.18 16:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.
Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.
Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.
Do you see where I am going now?
I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.
It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?
All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.
'Nough said. Kind of the first rule never take an ex-goon character or even one with an alt that has been in Goons. Well a rule in the top 10 anyway. It is one of the prices of being a goon. If you want to leave Goonswarm you need a new account. Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
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Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
163
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Posted - 2013.01.18 16:36:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.
Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.
Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.
Do you see where I am going now?
I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.
It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?
All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.
'Nough said. Ok, your first big mistake was making a thread about your loss, second was punishing the other corp members for some others actions. Any good CEO/Leader will acess the mistake he made , learn from it and move on. Trust is part of the risk factor involved with EvE, but you simply can't paint everybody with the same brush, it's a tough call, but most of us enjoy it that way, move on and have fun New Player retention is important to our community. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
51
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:58:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns.
I'm sure there are exceptions. Too bad. The only good gonnie, active or ex-, is a dead one. They seem to attract the scum of the scum. Kind of understandable. Look at the leadership.
I refused to judge my AWOXER on mistakes in his past. Look what I got. Maybe, if you ever make the same mistake, you will learn the same lesson. |
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
51
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:14:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Ok, your first big mistake was making a thread about your loss, second was punishing the other corp members for some others actions. Any good CEO/Leader will acess the mistake he made , learn from it and move on. Trust is part of the risk factor involved with EvE, but you simply can't paint everybody with the same brush, it's a tough call, but most of us enjoy it that way, move on and have fun
The problem is, that it isn't fun anymore.
I've shut down 3 of my 5 accounts. I didn't build those characters for 1%ers to shoot at. They all have value. Why should I waste them in an arena where value means nothing and sheer destruction means everything?
I ran a 4 ship mining team, all my characters, for more than a year. Made ISK, bought things, manufactured things. Basically tried to do CONstructive things. But that isn't what this game is about, is it?
So I tried to find a middle ground. Mission running. It's not constructive, even though it keeps ISK circulating, but it also isn't destructive. And now I find it isn't safe.
I keep playing the game because I USED to like. Not sure how long that is going to last.
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Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
8
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:41:00 -
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Everything else aside.... how the hell can a carebear who runs level 4's for 12-18 hours daily, has a list of ships in corp hanger a page and a half long and he can't afford a new CNR?
This the problem with bears in this game. They are horders. What is all that isk for anyways if you're not going to buy new ships with it? |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
57
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:15:00 -
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Marius Deterium wrote:Everything else aside.... how the hell can a carebear who runs level 4's for 12-18 hours daily, has a list of ships in corp hanger a page and a half long and he can't afford a new CNR?
This the problem with bears in this game. They are horders. What is all that isk for anyways if you're not going to buy new ships with it?
The CNR wasn't my choice in the first place. I fly an SNI now. Much better for my style of play.
I'm not a hoarder. I sell off 4-500 ships at a time, when the market is right. I just don't like to sell rigged ships, and most of what I have is rigged.
I don't need new ships very often because I don't waste them doing stupid ****.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.19 16:11:00 -
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If you are going to rage-disband YOUR OWN CORP.
Unsub your accounts.
Why not just finish the job?
Since a single loss so utterly destroyed your ability to enjoy the game, why are you still playing?
Biomass your characters and alts and spare yourself the trouble, already. Since this is such a negative thing for you, why not take a positive step to remove it from your life.
OR
You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!"
But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the [strike]latter[/strike]former. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3230
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Posted - 2013.01.19 16:17:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:OR
You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!"
But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the [strike]latter[/strike]former. No, why not whine to CCP to nerf or remove awoxing ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.19 18:50:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:
You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!"
But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the
One of many things that I am stubbornly incapable of accepting is that that is the way the game is intended to be played.
I mean, what did he get out of it? It appears that he isn't ever going to even post the killmail. Yes, he picked up some valuable loot, but, to me, it seems like it takes a pretty sick individual to do something like that for what he got out of it.
Oddly enough, the people who I seem to get along with best in the game are people like me, who are unable to leave their senses of morals and ethics on one side of the keyboard. The others? I consider them to be kind of like poster children for the combination of genetic drift and moral decay. The goonies seem to act like a big magnet for these people.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
542
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:47:00 -
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I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed.
The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3232
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:53:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed.
The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. Because in highsec, pvp should be optional.
In fact, we should try to prevent that as well. Here, have a suspect flag. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:01:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed.
The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness.
I think I have a better answer. I'm not a sociopath. I would like to trust people, or at least give them a chance. I have to admit that my shields were at less than 50% before I realized that he was serious, and I never thought he would pod me, in Hi Sec, and get away with it completely.
I'm not sure which one of us is the saddest. You, who sees everyone as a target, or me, who would like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
So rail at me for disbanding my corp. With people like this around, it was the safest thing to do.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
99
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Posted - 2013.01.28 21:54:00 -
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News update.
Since the OP, three obvious AWOXERS have tried to join my corp. Did I make someone mad, or do they just see VEERV as a pinata? |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1125
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Posted - 2013.01.28 21:56:00 -
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It's been said before: Once a goonie, always a goonie. Same goes for the others, and you know who I mean. A zebra can't (or doesn't want to) change it's stripes.
End of discussion. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jackson Steely wrote:Did you thank him for teaching you a valuable lesson? EVE, cold and harsh, eh.. Not Politically Correct wrote:All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. EVE, smaller is better. You're best when you're solo. Or multiboxing, really.
LMAO you guys make up your mind. You have pointed out in past post that eve is multi-player now you say eve is solo. This could happen from anyone at anytime. As much as I despise Goofswarm they arent the only awoxers. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:18:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed.
The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness.
So exactly how do you maintain situational awareness against your squad mates? They are in the same situation as you. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
99
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:19:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
LMAO you guys make up your mind. You have pointed out in past post that eve is multi-player now you say eve is solo. This could happen from anyone at anytime. As much as I despise Goofswarm they arent the only awoxers.
I think you posted this in the wrong thread.
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Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
80
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:27:00 -
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After hearing your cool story I can safely say I am so happy that I have never been scammed in EVE, or even remotely betrayed.
Man this thread has really cheered me up |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
158
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:31:00 -
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I know this thread, it was bad. It is still bad. You should all feel bad for resurrecting it! |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.28 22:34:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:I know this thread, it was bad. It is still bad. You should all feel bad for resurrecting it!
I do. (not)
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:50:00 -
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This thread really should have died before it was even born. :) |
flummox
Lost Nomads
22
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:11:00 -
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i would have shot you just for saying " 'Nough Said "... and you get less points for actually using "nough" instead of "nuff", in this case... I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
99
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:17:00 -
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My my. Do I hear the quacking of 1%ers, or are you just new players. |
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