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Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said.
Pewty McPew Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries 13	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:15:00 - [2] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON" I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale if you interested.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5987	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:16:00 - [3] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Made a lot of ISK mining LIES! "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2688	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:16:00 - [4] - Quote These are ... awoxing tears? Sheesh, to imagine someone would actually leave and go all the way to join a mission-running corp in highsec. I mean highsec is the promised land but still... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
psycho freak Snuff Box 163	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:16:00 - [5] - Quote he was stupid he should waited for one your guys juicy ships or even two to three of them so in actual fact he failed to capitalise on you letting him in my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k nop cant find it
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 229	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:18:00 - [6] - Quote you should have standards when you are accepting people
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 791	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:18:00 - [7] - Quote So you're kicking everyone else from the corp because one guy awox'd you? Well, at least you're not overreacting to it.
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1274	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:22:00 - [8] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Kind of the first rule never take an ex-goon character or even one with an alt that has been in Goons. Well a rule in the top 10 anyway. It is one of the prices of being a goon. If you want to leave Goonswarm you need a new account. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5987	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:24:00 - [9] - Quote I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air The Unthinkables 2289	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:25:00 - [10] - Quote death 2 goons

Thar Saal Insignificant Heroes Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 16	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:26:00 - [11] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Kind of the first rule never take an ex-goon character or even one with an alt that has been in Goons. Well a rule in the top 10 anyway. It is one of the prices of being a goon. If you want to leave Goonswarm you need a new account. ^^ this +2
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5988	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:27:00 - [12] - Quote Thar Saal wrote: Frying Doom wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Kind of the first rule never take an ex-goon character or even one with an alt that has been in Goons. Well a rule in the top 10 anyway. It is one of the prices of being a goon. If you want to leave Goonswarm you need a new account. ^^ this +2 I do not appreciate your distrust "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 494	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:28:00 - [13] - Quote My CEO is an ex-Goon from the BOB days, guess that's why our corp is only RL friends. Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll This too.
Jackson Steely Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:28:00 - [14] - Quote Did you thank him for teaching you a valuable lesson?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2688	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:30:00 - [15] - Quote Jackson Steely wrote: Did you thank him for teaching you a valuable lesson? EVE, cold and harsh, eh.. Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. EVE, smaller is better. You're best when you're solo. Or multiboxing, really. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5988	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:30:00 - [16] - Quote Jackson Steely wrote: Did you thank him for teaching you a valuable lesson? The op obviously lacks manners so I would guess no "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:32:00 - [17] - Quote First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it. Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old. I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1869	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:33:00 - [18] - Quote Actually its not about trust. Its all luck. Trust is moot. People could go into a partnership or group with the full intent of making it work. Yet this is digital entertainment. Become slightly bored and a wild hair can tickle your jackass button and you decide to watch it all burn. Some people don't have that filter between reality and fantasy and could never bring themselves to go against their own morality for their internet buddies sake. Others can make that distinction have have no inhibitions about the game. Pretty sure Eve weakens ones empathy skills while strengthening paranoia and isn't a safe game for ones mental faculty.
Adam Junior Protus Correction Facility Inc. 109	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:38:00 - [19] - Quote You've succeded in letting the "dirty gewn" cause far more upset than he'd ever planned on causing by ragekicking everyone. Well done!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2689	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:38:00 - [20] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it. Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old. I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. Exactly. That's why massive corporations are doomed to fail. Smaller is better. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2689	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:38:00 - [21] - Quote Adam Junior wrote: You've succeded in letting the "dirty gewn" cause far more upset than he'd ever planned on causing by ragekicking everyone. Well done! Yep, the butterfly effect. Could be worse, he could've stolen all your corp's stuff and blown you up... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 494	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:40:00 - [22] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. You could have, you know, taken out a 200mil BS to run a mission with the guy a few times, test the waters so to speak, see how he does with the corp, planned a few ops with fairly cheap ships to try and rat him out until you felt he was safe. Now, though, you're going to blame Goons for the paranoia you should already have as a CEO, which is hilarious.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:41:00 - [23] - Quote Adam Junior wrote: You've succeded in letting the "dirty gewn" cause far more upset than he'd ever planned on causing by ragekicking everyone. Well done! Wasn't ragekicking. How can I trust them? The answer is that I don't anymore.
Feledain Rorqual Industry Empire 6	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:42:00 - [24] - Quote So, you are ranting about trust and because someone made you butthurt you betray all of your fellow corp members kick em out and keeping all the isk and assets. Lesson learned, good job.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 470	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:44:00 - [25] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: These are ... awoxing tears? Sheesh, to imagine someone would actually leave and go all the way to join a mission-running corp in highsec. I mean highsec is the promised land but still... We are trying to make up for the lack of risk in highsec. npc alts aren't people
Rain6635 Team Evil 16	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:46:00 - [26] - Quote i wanna see the lossmail
MrDiao SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:47:00 - [27] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. . You made my day
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 884	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:49:00 - [28] - Quote lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol R.S.I2014
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:50:00 - [29] - Quote Feledain wrote: So, you are ranting about trust and because someone made you butthurt you betray all of your fellow corp members kick em out and keeping all the isk and assets. Lesson learned, good job. Uh, gee. Didn't I say they are new. The most expensive things most of them had are things I GAVE them. 2.5% tax rate? Oh, yeah, I'm really ripping them off. It's hard to take things away from people who haven't been playing long enough to have anything. Most of them didn't even do the tutorials.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:51:00 - [30] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol The fact that you can't do it doesn't mean that I can't.

Rain6635 Team Evil 16	Posted - 2012.12.30 01:55:00 - [31] - Quote show me your 1 bil raven fit please.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:00:00 - [32] - Quote Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil raven fit please. Do you have any idea what the difference between a CNR and a Raven is. All I'm willing to say is that everything, except the rigs, was T2 or above. Edit: I wouldn't know how to post it anyway, and it doesn't make any difference. I will never build another one. No need.
Rain6635 Team Evil 16	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:01:00 - [33] - Quote show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please.
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 884	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:02:00 - [34] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol The fact that you can't do it doesn't mean that I can't. my job ,my wife and my children are making sure ,i can,t thanking god ,that i love my underpaid job ,my wife and my children and still have time to play and love EvE R.S.I2014
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:10:00 - [35] - Quote Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:11:00 - [36] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol The fact that you can't do it doesn't mean that I can't. my job ,my wife and my children are making sure ,i can,t thanking god ,that i love my underpaid job ,my wife and my children and still have time to play and love EvE I'm a disabled veteran. I don't have any of those problems.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2691	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:14:00 - [37] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread. Heavy launchers, on a raven... and faction instead of T2... interesting... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Cpt Roghie GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:15:00 - [38] - Quote So... one hero awoxes you.. and you go apeshit and purge your entire corp? Oh well. This could be fun.
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 884	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:15:00 - [39] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol The fact that you can't do it doesn't mean that I can't. my job ,my wife and my children are making sure ,i can,t thanking god ,that i love my underpaid job ,my wife and my children and still have time to play and love EvE I'm a disabled veteran. I don't have any of those problems. that explains a lot ,sir fly safe R.S.I2014
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:16:00 - [40] - Quote [quote=Alavaria Fera Heavy launchers, on a raven... and faction instead of T2... interesting...[/quote] They were a gift. :)

Rain6635 Team Evil 16	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:16:00 - [41] - Quote success
Sentamon 529	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:21:00 - [42] - Quote I can haz ur stuff? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Kogh Ayon SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 58	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:27:00 - [43] - Quote Could you please post that hero's name? I want to build a monument for him, saying: One corporation kill a day.
Vincent R'lyeh Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 83	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:32:00 - [44] - Quote Dear god not only did you fall for one of the oldest tricks in Eve but then you also came to the forums whining about it.......... HTFU That is all
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 884	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:38:00 - [45] - Quote Vincent R'lyeh wrote: Dear god not only did you fall for one of the oldest tricks in Eve but then you also came to the forums whining about it.......... HTFU That is all HTFU is a popular reply these days in EvE R.S.I2014
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:40:00 - [46] - Quote So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust? IMHO? No one. Thus my actions. If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust?
Cpt Roghie GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:42:00 - [47] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust? IMHO? No one. Thus my actions. If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust? ./tinfoil This could be fun.
oldbutfeelingyoung Perkone Caldari State 884	Posted - 2012.12.30 02:48:00 - [48] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust? IMHO? No one. Thus my actions. If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust? i am afraid there will be more HTFU for you in this thread to come. In this game the only trust you have is your own judgment of people and that is difficult to measure in a game like this R.S.I2014
Feledain Rorqual Industry Empire 6	Posted - 2012.12.30 03:01:00 - [49] - Quote Hm... cant find anything. No kill, no goon ever in your corp. Only something in the Corporations section, which seems to match. >here< Looks like you pissed someone off.
Trendon Evenstar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 81	Posted - 2012.12.30 03:06:00 - [50] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: death 2 goons There are no goons

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2692	Posted - 2012.12.30 03:20:00 - [51] - Quote Trendon Evenstar wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: death 2 goons There are no goons Their 0.0 dream is over Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 199	Posted - 2012.12.30 03:26:00 - [52] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Trendon Evenstar wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: death 2 goons There are no goons Their 0.0 dream is over Yes they are only dust and echos now. As nebulous as they are clever.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 03:39:00 - [53] - Quote Feledain wrote: Hm... cant find anything. No kill, no goon ever in your corp. Only something in the Corporations section, which seems to match. >here< Looks like you pissed someone off. Try Mael Krahn. If you can't find it, not my problem.
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 195	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:02:00 - [54] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: [quote=Alavaria Fera Heavy launchers, on a raven... and faction instead of T2... interesting... They were a gift. :) [/quote] No matter how you got them, it's still heavy missiles on a navy raven...
Treo 'Ssard Hangar 55 6	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:14:00 - [55] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Feledain wrote: So, you are ranting about trust and because someone made you butthurt you betray all of your fellow corp members kick em out and keeping all the isk and assets. Lesson learned, good job. Uh, gee. Didn't I say they are new. The most expensive things most of them had are things I GAVE them. 2.5% tax rate? Oh, yeah, I'm really ripping them off. It's hard to take things away from people who haven't been playing long enough to have anything. Most of them didn't even do the tutorials. Ah the undeniable musk of rationalization.
Luanda Heartbreaker 27	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:23:00 - [56] - Quote i feel for you. sad but the internet is the place where the zoo doesnt have a gate, and the monkeys can steal your banana. try to find a little, old alliance which take you with your oneman corp too, so you have all your rights but still can have some good mates with less risk
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 411	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:31:00 - [57] - Quote It's come to a stage where I don't even accept people with a "G" in their name. Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Torakenat Space Cowboys United The Irukandji 35	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:38:00 - [58] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust? IMHO? No one. Thus my actions. If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust? I don't even trust my RL brother and I'm just a corp mate, a cog in the alliance machine. Imagine if i was a CEO? I've been a "CEO" in other games and the first and foremost concern for your corp is the safety and integrity of your Corp. If you want to blindly risk that safety with an arbitrary moral concern as in trust...then you are obviously not fit to be a proper CEO in any game. Here's a life lesson.... Life is hard and even harder still in EVE. The sooner you understand and put your compass on the fact that there will always be someone out there who wants to take an advantage of you, the better you will off you will be.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2696	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:08:00 - [59] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Heavy launchers, on a raven... and faction instead of T2... interesting... They were a gift. :) No matter how you got them, it's still heavy missiles on a navy raven... Someone was expecting you to use a tengu, I'd guess. Even then, the T2 is better. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 28	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:16:00 - [60] - Quote Why is anyone concerned with the fit? Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill? Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike. Oh. That's right, this isn't RL.

Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 75	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:20:00 - [61] - Quote The problem comes from lack of consequences of killing a corp mate. CCP obviously set it up so Corp mates could practice fighting. But they need to fix it with the 'duel' flagging they discussed for general use extending into Corps. As the current situation says either you trust, and eventually you will get screwed. Or you don't trust, and everyone around you suffers. Sure Eve is a cold hard Universe, but we probably just lost a bunch of new players who won't understand why on earth they got kicked. And thats nothing to do with 'Eve not being the game for them' or anything like that. They have no attachment to the game currently, so no reason to choose the game that they got randomly booted from a corp in over any other.
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:21:00 - [62] - Quote 3 pages of idiots because EVE is so much better thanks to them. Welcome to skuzbucket EVE. It's why every other "sandbox" is in a toilet and EVE will be eventually too. Because they belong there.
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1873	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:24:00 - [63] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Why is anyone concerned with the fit? Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill? Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike. Oh. That's right, this isn't RL. I don't even...
Kirjava EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing 266	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:47:00 - [64] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll I made Billions mining. Tens of Billions of Billions of ISK. Like all careers, if you know what you are doing... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 2132	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:59:00 - [65] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON" I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale if you interested. Emphasis added. Man. I don't know what to tell you. That is an awesome loss. I know how that can bite... I used to be legit. But really... anyone who has anything to do with the goons will eventually get screwed. That is a FACT. I'm actually waiting with baited breath to see (not if but) how TEST Alliance Please Ignore deals with them. At some point there will be a falling out. At some point one will screw the other. It's just a matter of time and who goes first. Personally, I'm pulling for TEST because I like them better. But from the standpoint of precedence I would say the goons are holding most of the cards. I'm certain it will happen though... But we humble and meager pods can only lose to goons. They are not miners. They are pro scammers. ...and you sir, just got taken for a goon ride. Good read 4/10 (You'd have gotten more points if I didn't think you were a goon alt and that this was probably a veiled recruitment post for the goons...) Every Ship in GëíGêçGëí \| [FX7] \| Vote Cthulhu 2012
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 4687	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:11:00 - [66] - Quote Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC
Jamyl Khanid Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:14:00 - [67] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll I made Billions mining. Tens of Billions of Billions of ISK. Like all careers, if you know what you are doing... In addition, not everyone is on the road to a trillion. For most people who pay with a credit card and play in moderation, 3-5 billion is a realistic goal. The 900 mill CNR loss still hurts but what really puts you out is a complete stranger so driven to make your game a pile of steaming crap. That isn't competition, sand box or in any way social behavior in an MMO setting. It's just strange people.
Mia Leusten Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:29:00 - [68] - Quote You got burned; live, learn and remember that it is internet spaceships. There was no reason to kick your entire corp full of newbies/bros out in the cold. You need to be able to die in a fire laughing, and if you can't you are probably playing the wrong game.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2699	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:37:00 - [69] - Quote Mia Leusten wrote: You got burned; live, learn and remember that it is internet spaceships. There was no reason to kick your entire corp full of newbies/bros out in the cold. You need to be able to die in a fire laughing, and if you can't you are probably playing the wrong game. The poor newbies... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 480	Posted - 2012.12.30 07:12:00 - [70] - Quote Take your assets, resign and hand it over to another active player. Many years ago, I joined the Executor corp of a large alliance. The CEO of the corp and effectively the alliance saw people in that alliance doing things he didn't agree with. He pulled the corp and handed the alliance over to another corp. Establishing his own corp in a blue to the original alliance but soon after, he resigned and handed the corp off to another active member. The new CEO took the corp out of the new alliance and put it in another one, where it became the executor corp of that alliance and now holds multiple stations in the North and is a prominent member of the CFC. Imagine if Drakmor had done like you and had a tantrum, disbanded Clan Shadow Wolf. They would never have been in Fatal Ascension and I dare say, FA would not be where they are today. It's too bad you had the unfortunate happening you had, OP but with all due respect? Grow up.

Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1785	Posted - 2012.12.30 08:53:00 - [71] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. Could happen to anyone, it happens on a daily basis on some community, you just can't help it. That's why corp uses vouches or specific entry requirements for recruitment. Learn from it. Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. You're a douchebag, nuff said. How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2733	Posted - 2012.12.30 09:02:00 - [72] - Quote Sarah Schneider wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. Could happen to anyone, it happens on a daily basis on some community, you just can't help it. That's why corp uses vouches or specific entry requirements for recruitment. Learn from it. Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. You're a douchebag, nuff said. Yeah. The security deposit, for instance would mean such an action would make little sense. Also, I bet now you've made a lot of newbies curious about awoxing. All it takes is a spot in a corp and something like a Catalyst. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Kalishka Ulsguld The Everly Sisters Co Ltd 53	Posted - 2012.12.30 14:28:00 - [73] - Quote Who is this unsung hero? I believe he deserves a yummy cake .
Wacktopia Noir. Black Legion. 360	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:01:00 - [74] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. To be honest this is probably an extreme reaction you will probably look back on and reconsider. If someone wants to be in your corp, ask them why. Then ask yourself if their answer can be achieved without them being in your corp. It's also a good idea to get to know someone a bit more before trusting them with your prized possessions or allowing them a position of trust such as a scout or FC. Talking to them on voice comms is another good idea. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Wacktopia Noir. Black Legion. 360	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:04:00 - [75] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Sarah Schneider wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. Could happen to anyone, it happens on a daily basis on some community, you just can't help it. That's why corp uses vouches or specific entry requirements for recruitment. Learn from it. Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. You're a douchebag, nuff said. Yeah. The security deposit, for instance would mean such an action would make little sense. Also, I bet now you've made a lot of newbies curious about awoxing. All it takes is a spot in a corp and something like a Catalyst. I thought Awoxing was more about joining to take stuff rather than joining to gank? The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1279	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:30:00 - [76] - Quote I like the bit where you had doubts about the new guy, so immediately handed a billion isk killmail to him on a silver plate. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 305	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:32:00 - [77] - Quote OP, you could at least think about your corp members who have done nothing wrong. If you don-¦t want them in your corp anymore, tell them to throw me an eve-mail or apply to my corp directly. While our corp tax is a bit higher (5%), we do run missions and are very supportive of each other (ship replacement program, loans as well as other benefits for our members). Anyway, good luck for you in the future! Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Ahvram Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 53	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:39:00 - [78] - Quote I felt a bit bad for you intill you posted your CNR fit. 7x heavy launchers on a CNR shows you are new to eve and fitting and had no business trying to run a corp in the 1st place. Edit: looking back your entire fit is just plain bad for L4 running.
Mister S Burke Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation 0	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:41:00 - [79] - Quote Ocih wrote: It's too bad you had the unfortunate happening you had, OP but with all due respect? Grow up. Do you also tell raape victims they should not have been wearing such a cute short skirt?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 483	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:46:00 - [80] - Quote Mister S Burke wrote: Do you also tell raape victims they should not have been wearing such a cute short skirt? It's comments like these that make us despise highsec pubbies so much. The fact that you would go so far as to compare the loss of imaginary space pixels to a horrible real life crime speaks volumes. npc alts aren't people

Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 387	Posted - 2012.12.30 15:55:00 - [81] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. You got owned by one guy with an old tag from GS, does this means something about GS, players in, corporations in said alliance? -it doesn't It only proves how badly designed are corporation/alliance tools for grunts and leadership in it. It has nothing to do with GS, as far as I'm concerned that guy could come from HBC, Red Alliance, CVA, NC, or whatever other alliance. Every single major alliance has special wings, scam, gank, trading, fuel etc. Some are just more vocal than the others but this should not discourage you from doing whatever in the game. Step on, move on, tell yourself you just learned something and think about how you're going to avoid this next time or make sort the attempt miserably fails.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1749	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:04:00 - [82] - Quote Hi, I've had to remove a pretty offensive post and the ones quoting it. Please don't go there again. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Mister S Burke Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation 0	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:13:00 - [83] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Mister S Burke wrote: Do you also tell raape victims they should not have been wearing such a cute short skirt? It's comments like these that make us despise highsec pubbies so much. The fact that you would go so far as to compare the loss of imaginary space pixels to a horrible real life crime speaks volumes. Sure, like virtual sociopaths really need a big reason to despise anyone.
Kestrix Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate 42	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:13:00 - [84] - Quote In eve you can't really trust anyone, sad but true. I have been fortunate to have a number of friends who also play/have played this game and though the added trust of knowing each other we have come on a long way. The best you can do is just try to be really careful about who you let in and what you give them access to. Most corp thieves in my experience tend to be too keen to play their cards and will leave once they find out it'll be months before they will get a look into the corp hangers let alone actually have the rights to remove stuff. As to griefers attacking corp members this is someting I have yet to run into. But having put a little thought into the matter, I might be wrong and I'm not going to put this to the test but I belive you can't attack alliance members. So have your own corp with just you and your trusted members if any and have an alt run a recruitment corp within your alliance and put nothing in that corp thats attractive to griefers.
Mister S Burke Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation 0	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:19:00 - [85] - Quote ISD Suvetar wrote: Hi, I've had to remove a pretty offensive post and the ones quoting it. Please don't go there again. My bad, you will have to excuse me, I'm American so I'm not used to censorship. if you think that's bad...just kidding.
Opertone Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels 251	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:20:00 - [86] - Quote Why does this sort of things happen in EvE? Impunity, your enemy can dock up and log off, you never catch him. At the same time, your enemy can be playing on other accounts. If only you could hurt logged off characters, or somehow plot assassination when somebody is docked. Then Karma and Punishment would be serious business. Today, money stolen can be easily moved to another character. Your enemy keeps his identity, but switches body, immortal. Also, his body can not be hurt, as long as he stays docked.
Ghazu 412	Posted - 2012.12.30 16:45:00 - [87] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC +1 LIKE for the victim, I love it when they cry. 4 year old npc duder, "that's way no one can hurt me". http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 4690	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:21:00 - [88] - Quote Ghazu wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC +1 LIKE for the victim, I love it when they cry. 4 year old npc duder, "that's way no one can hurt me". Hahaha, what a fail attempt at trying to flame shame me. Obviously you must not understand what the 'wink' means at the end of my statement. Either that or in your haste at trying to flame shame me, you completely missed the 'wink'. Oh yeah, I'm proud to be in NPC corp. Anyway, what's really funny is that your 2 year old Goon character has no battle record at all, win or lose, yet you post like you're some sort of big bad PvP'er with ton's of solo kills. Seems hiding in a large player made Corporation / Alliance is definitely the best way to stay safe, right? DMC
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2845	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:25:00 - [89] - Quote Ghazu wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC +1 LIKE for the victim, I love it when they cry. 4 year old npc duder, "that's way no one can hurt me". Until they get ganked anyway. Heh Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Etherealclams Clams ate my Narwhal 256	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:25:00 - [90] - Quote 1. No one cares 2. You let a goon in, what did you expect? A change of heart? 3. Lol. (a¦á_a¦â) -á(GîÉGûá_Gûá) (a¦á_a¦á) GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½

DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 4690	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:46:00 - [91] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Ghazu wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC +1 LIKE for the victim, I love it when they cry. 4 year old npc duder, "that's way no one can hurt me". Until they get ganked anyway. Heh True, no place in Eve is truly safe, except when docked in station. I must say your battle record is very impressive for a 1 year old Goon character. Oh, I see. It's mainly from PoS gang banging. DMC
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2853	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:52:00 - [92] - Quote Etherealclams wrote: 1. No one cares 2. You let a goon in, what did you expect? A change of heart? 3. Lol. Er, well... you see... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 467	Posted - 2012.12.30 18:59:00 - [93] - Quote When a child gets bored, he picks on his little sister. When Goons get bored, they pick on other EVE players. Share the misery. Both will have an excuse and a one liner to justify it but it's the same thing. OP did what the little sister did. Acted like a victim, got frustrated because the unavoidable truth is, there wasn't much else they could do. The title is accurate though. it is all about the trust and the willingness to abuse it. The mechanics exploit the demand to trust strangers, the bored players exploit the demand to trust strangers.
ErrorRon The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension 13	Posted - 2012.12.30 19:01:00 - [94] - Quote Awoxxed less than a bill? Amateurs..
Ghazu 418	Posted - 2012.12.30 19:09:00 - [95] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Ghazu wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Definitely a sad state of affairs. +1 LIKE for the OP. Over the past few years I've watched Eve Online slowly turn into Grief Online. A lot of UN-trustworthy players in this game now. More than likely the main reason a lot of players stay in NPC Corp. DMC +1 LIKE for the victim, I love it when they cry. 4 year old npc duder, "that's way no one can hurt me". Hahaha, what a fail attempt at trying to flame shame me. Obviously you must not understand what the 'wink' means at the end of my statement. Either that or in your haste at trying to flame shame me, you completely missed the 'wink'. Oh yeah, I'm proud to be in NPC corp. Anyway, what's really funny is that your 2 year old Goon character has no battle record at all, win or lose, yet you post like you're some sort of big bad PvP'er with ton's of solo kills. Seems hiding in a large player made Corporation / Alliance is definitely the best way to stay safe, right? DMC you sure like them emotes dmc http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 4690	Posted - 2012.12.30 19:40:00 - [96] - Quote Ghazu wrote: you sure like them emotes dmc And you sure like hitting that space bar. For some reason this feels like Deja Vu. Is this another Salazar character? Well, even if it's not, here's some Ghazu 'Emotes'. \o/ Have A Happy New Year \o/ DMC
Bohoba Blue Ice Melts 26	Posted - 2012.12.30 19:41:00 - [97] - Quote Like a few have said a goon is a goon and there goons wantabees :) don't let them get u down just take it back to them... they run most the time hehe once u get them out in the open with no cap backup >) I Love the smell of goons podpie in the morning topped with a tear
Aasera Moennan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.12.30 20:57:00 - [98] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Why is anyone concerned with the fit? Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill? Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike. Oh. That's right, this isn't RL. LOL its all troll food man. You need to put those peanuts back in your pocket and quit feeding the troll monkeys...
Felicity Love War-Tech Inc. Black Core Alliance 134	Posted - 2012.12.30 21:26:00 - [99] - Quote You should call him bad names or something. Really bad ones. In Local. He'll likely say it was a relapse, promise to attend a 12-step program and buy you a new CNR. Really, really.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 444	Posted - 2012.12.30 22:54:00 - [100] - Quote Welcome to Eve. Sorry it has taken around 3 years to finally get your welcome package, the highsec welcome squad really needs to up their game.

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 48	Posted - 2013.01.15 16:10:00 - [101] - Quote As I said, it was my fault it happened. No denying that. I thought this might act as a warning to others, though. There are still several things I don't understand about the incident, and this thread, though. 1. I thought it was illegal for corp members, especially fleet members, to destroy ships and pod people in Hi Sec, but Concord did nothing. The Goonie stayed in the system, within 100 km of the station where this happened, for some time. Concord never showed any interest. 2. I still can't figure out why anyone would be interested in the ship I was flying, or how it was fitted. 3. It seems that several people mentioned that the character was several years old and a hot-shot PvPer. Neither is true. As a player, I started in July, 2009, but I've never really been a PvPer. Until about 5 months ago, I was primarily a miner, and I had never run into this kind of situation before. The character this happened to is still less than a year old. Fairly low skills, etc.
RomeStar Astra Research 112	Posted - 2013.01.15 16:22:00 - [102] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: lvl4 missions 18 hours a day lol The fact that you can't do it doesn't mean that I can't. my job ,my wife and my children are making sure ,i can,t thanking god ,that i love my underpaid job ,my wife and my children and still have time to play and love EvE How is your wife and my kids? Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3364	Posted - 2013.01.15 17:02:00 - [103] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: As I said, it was my fault it happened. No denying that. I thought this might act as a warning to others, though. There are still several things I don't understand about the incident, and this thread, though. 1. I thought it was illegal for corp members, especially fleet members, to destroy ships and pod people in Hi Sec, but Concord did nothing. The Goonie stayed in the system, within 100 km of the station where this happened, for some time. Concord never showed any interest. 2. I still can't figure out why anyone would be interested in the ship I was flying, or how it was fitted. 3. It seems that several people mentioned that the character was several years old and a hot-shot PvPer. Neither is true. As a player, I started in July, 2009, but I've never really been a PvPer. Until about 5 months ago, I was primarily a miner, and I had never run into this kind of situation before. The character this happened to is still less than a year old. Fairly low skills, etc. Sorry, I may have missed pertinent posts in the middle of this thread, but... 1: There is no penalty for attacking a corp member. This make the common practice of testing fits against each other possible. 2: There is interest in your fit because people may be trying to figure out how your missioning ship was popped outside a station (as your OP indicated)... wondering why you didn't just dock up. 3: I don't think character age (or your time in game as a player) is very relevant. Some people never learn that the trick to EvE is not distrusting everyone... the trick is learning how to discern who is worthy of trust and in each case just how far that trust should go. That being said, I'm still fairly sure this is a troll (albeit not a bad one), as it is difficult to believe that anyone would be foolish enough to kick members in good standing from his corp without good reason. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 48	Posted - 2013.01.15 17:37:00 - [104] - Quote You may have missed the part about me being webbed and scrammed and about 100km from the docking bay. I had been testing a spider capping fit with my logi pilot. You should be able to find the answer to your last comment in your paragraph 3.
luZk x13 Whores in space 89	Posted - 2013.01.15 18:02:00 - [105] - Quote What you're doing to your corpmates now is actually 100 times worse than what that goon did to you. Ever thought about that?
Bud Austrene Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:27:00 - [106] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust? IMHO? No one. Thus my actions. If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust? Trust is something that is earned over time. This is why real trust in EVE generally only exists between those that know each other in real life. Or have know each other in the game for a long time. For the most part, those that have evil intent, will not hang around very long if it appears to be taking too long for a ripe opportunity to present itself. They do not have the patience to put in the time it takes to earn trust. Playing by your self without trusting anyone can be pretty lonely and shut you out of options. Having a main corporation that requires a certain time be spent in a sub-corporations before being allowed into the main corporation can filter out a lot of undesirables. Test them with lower hanging fruit before letting them into a position that could be severely damaging. Being paranoid is good in this game but being overly paranoid is self-defeating. It is kinda like pissing in your own bed. Not everyone is mean and evil Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 254	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:33:00 - [107] - Quote Quote: He killed my CNR right outside of my home station Why didn't you just dock up?
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1476	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:40:00 - [108] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. I'm sorry. I read that and though, You're a bigger ** than the guy the thread is about. You're going to kick everyone from the corp because of one bad seed. One guy pisses you off, and you kick everyone from the corp? That's **** up. Way more than the guy blowing up your ship. You're a horrible CEO, and have no business running a corp. PS: I was about to put a couple billion on your corp, but you'll just disband it.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3365	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:50:00 - [109] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: You may have missed the part about me being webbed and scrammed and about 100km from the docking bay. I had been testing a spider capping fit with my logi pilot. You should be able to find the answer to your last comment in your paragraph 3. Yes, I did miss that (as I didn't have time to read all of the responses). My apologies on that point. If you think the answer to my last comment (that kicking your established corp members is foolish) is contained in my statement that the key to EvE is learning who to trust and how far (not as many think simply not trusting anyone) then you didn't understand what I wrote. Not everyone can do this, and if that's the case for you then your corp members are frankly better off without you. If one successful Awox causes this type of reaction you have no business running a corp that contains others... and frankly are a little too emotionally invested in the game for your own good. The loss of that ship should be at most a minor annoyance that pales in comparison to the enjoyment you can find playing with a group of players that you find entertaining. So either you valued that ship way to much, or your friends/corp mates way too little... or quite possibly both. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Caterin Stetille GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:07:00 - [110] - Quote Found this thread today and learned that people use Navy Ravens for missioning, still. Fascinating. Also, the reaction to being awoxed is hilarious, but I was really more interested in the Navy Raven part of the story.

Needmore Longcat Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 8	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:14:00 - [111] - Quote His raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 6575	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:18:00 - [112] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Why is anyone concerned with the fit? Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill? Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike. Oh. That's right, this isn't RL. Well to be honest if you're close enough to be using a knife he's not going to be attempting to call in air "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 753	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:21:00 - [113] - Quote Riedle wrote: Quote: He killed my CNR right outside of my home station Why didn't you just dock up? Because his definition of "right outside" is "100k off the station". The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:22:00 - [114] - Quote this thread is causing me to walk on sunshine like the song Follow me on twitter
Avarice Lorelei The Dark Space Initiative 81	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:23:00 - [115] - Quote +5 sec and no bounties automatically makes him seem like a good guy gg
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7038	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:39:00 - [116] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. So you made a dumb mistake, lost a ship from it, and now you're throwing a hissy fit against your own corp members? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 272	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:40:00 - [117] - Quote Whoaaaa LOL. Awoxing happens. Your mental capacity to shrug it off is more important then preventing it in the first place. The ship you are in? If you play Eve instead of grinding it, it will inevitably be destroyed. so it doesn't matter that much. I don't wanna bash the way you play the game, to each their own. Do realize that as a CEO, you have the power to cultivate a certain... how shall I put it... game philosophy. I believe a CEO can cultivate a certain philosophy that will trickle all the way down to the newest members. You took a risk and it backfired. So? You could have taken that awox as a chance to team up upon a common enemy. Social studies indicate having a common enemy cultivates a sense of solidarity in a group. You could have taken up arms against this dude with the ones you do trust. Every hostility toward your corp is a chance to improve it. I welcome these things, as they weed out the extremely risk averse and build trust and friendships with those that trust you. Hardships create better corps. It sounds like you made a few errors in judgement (excuse the peer review) but that you'd still prefer to play with other people. Then I say find a corp where you can pull some weight, but leave CEOship to someone more willing to deal with these things. Going solo can have merit, but you can also solo around when belonging to a group. The other way around... not so much. Good luck, hope you bounce back and go give this ex-gewn a proper whoppin' Even if you fail, you win, if you learned something and had fun at the same time. You regret the loss of a single ship, while I joyfully get blown up, improving my game along the way. For me Eve is like: read read read try fail* read read read try fail read read read try win, and feel awesome.*
Lechert Orion's Fist Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:57:00 - [118] - Quote Needmore Longcat wrote: His raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I My god. First thing, aside from the paranoia from the OP is that you need to train for T2 modules and learn how to fit a pve raven. In regards to the trust thing. Awoxing is here and there is nothing we can do about it. Goons are awoxed themselves as are testies, etc. It's something you can do little to stop and sadly, when it happens, it does feel bad man. But suck it in and move on. Don't throw away being in a corp because of a goon. Also, VFK by March.
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 224	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:12:00 - [119] - Quote Lesson learned: never accept an app from anyone who has had affiliation w/ goonswarm in the past. Harsh rule, sucks to be them, but they chose to fly w/ goons in the first place and should know what that means when they joined.
Richter Enderas Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore 205	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:15:00 - [120] - Quote never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr

EnderCapitalG GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 745	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:16:00 - [121] - Quote Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
Alua Oresson Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 254	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:21:00 - [122] - Quote Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr This was just perfect. I quite enjoyed it, would read again. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
EnderCapitalG GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 745	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:30:00 - [123] - Quote Chandaris wrote: Lesson learned: never accept an app from anyone who has had affiliation w/ goonswarm in the past. Harsh rule, sucks to be them, but they chose to fly w/ goons in the first place and should know what that means when they joined. People use clean neutral alts to do these things, too. Can't catch everyone.
Lechert Orion's Fist Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:31:00 - [124] - Quote Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr goonspiracy.
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 300	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:55:00 - [125] - Quote Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more!
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 60	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:02:00 - [126] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. To summarize, for anyone who may want the TL:DR version (narrated as from the author's point of view): "A goon applied to my friendly help corp, and told me he wasn't a goon anymore. Having played Eve for many years, I understand that nothing is more reliable than a man's word in eve, and accepted him into the corp on that. Through some twist of fate that I do not understand, he blew up my navy raven. My world has come to an end. I am disbanding everyone from the corp and will never help anyone ever again." Really dude. You knew better, and yet you still invited the guy to your corp. Suck it up, and move on.
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 60	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:05:00 - [127] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it. Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old. I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him."
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 1195	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:09:00 - [128] - Quote Wait a minute OP let me see if I get this straight: YOU make a mistake, and so you kick everyone from your corp because of the mistake YOU made. This says a lot more about what you think of your corp members than you would like us to believe (oh yes, the selfless helping CEO). If you're not prepared to face your mistakes and learn from your failures, you have no place in this game long term. I don't understand why the rest of your corp members have to be punished. Give the CEO title to someone else, get your stuff out, and leave. But disbanding a corp due to an awoxer? Not only is it a little childish but that awoxer must be laughing very, very hard now.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 259	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:15:00 - [129] - Quote Tad of an over-reaction there imo. If he's ruined your entire corporation, as well as your trust of those that have shown their loyality, then you're just making him win even more. I can already seen the Goon bloke boasting about his single kill that brought down an entire highsec mission running corp. Pretty much a badge of honor for guys like that. This sort of thing is the plague of ALL corporations. The bloke that did it in my coporation was able to steal a ****-ton of ships from our SMA, totaling far more than your single mission ship. I took it as a lession that EvE is full of dicks. But far be it for me to throw out all my members, it just encouraged me to beef up my security, and be super-paranoid regarding recruitment. Don't let the fool get you down. Rise from the ashes of this defeat, and strive to make your corporation better than ever!
Captain Tardbar State Protectorate Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:33:00 - [130] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it. Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old. I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him." Hrm.... I don't know. Maybe the whole point of EvE is that you don't trust people by default. The OP is simply reaffirming whate most people know which is that you simply don't trust people by default. Also, isn't this thread a week old that you're replying to? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby"

Parsival Metafarmers 0	Posted - 2013.01.15 23:16:00 - [131] - Quote Bud Austrene wrote: Test them with lower hanging fruit.... That fail-fit CNR was low hanging fruit
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 300	Posted - 2013.01.15 23:22:00 - [132] - Quote Is it a bad sign if I make more per week than ops ship manufacturing and was considering bringing in a 3day old who tried to kill me in lowsec? I sent him to RVB as he wanted to fight, and the email I got from him seems to indicate he is very happy with the thought. Well that and the 10 mil. Or is it a sign I am comfy with loss and am looking more into the community side of EVE?
Ckra Trald Remnants of Retribution 48	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:30:00 - [133] - Quote You were killed by a Goon Awoxer? You must have missed out alot. http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-29403-050932f3063c3c.gif If you fial, try again If you flel, try again. Try as much as you want, you'll still... faill?
Ris Dnalor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 419	Posted - 2013.01.16 15:46:00 - [134] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Wish I knew who the goonie was, I'd like to thank them for trying to preserve the true spirit of eve-online. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961 EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody - Qolde
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3334	Posted - 2013.01.16 15:47:00 - [135] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more! "Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. " Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 6	Posted - 2013.01.16 16:49:00 - [136] - Quote I find it odd that corp mates can kill each other with impunity. Yay for griefing mechanics. If it's meant to be so corp mates can duel each other, then perhaps make it so a corp mate can never do a killing blow on a corp ship. Call it a duel mode perhaps. Someone else would have to, or someone would have to leave the corp or get kicked from it. Which in high sec would mean possible Concording.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 142	Posted - 2013.01.16 17:26:00 - [137] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. You could have, you know, taken out a 200mil BS to run a mission with the guy a few times, test the waters so to speak, see how he does with the corp, planned a few ops with fairly cheap ships to try and rat him out until you felt he was safe. Now, though, you're going to blame Goons for the paranoia you should already have as a CEO, which is hilarious. For the love of Pete, yes! I never risk pricey missioning ships with anyone. No lvl 4 mission requires more than me to run. Bringing someone along just hurts your isk per hour and quite dramtically as well. If I do take new toons along, I do it in a cheaper ship. I will take new toons out with me from time to time to help them out. However, a toon over several months old? No way. Waste of time even if they are sincere. High sec is best done solo. Get out to Null if you want to work together and have comradrie. Seriously. Null sec is quite fun and can't really be done solo :)
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 301	Posted - 2013.01.16 17:44:00 - [138] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: NEONOVUS wrote: Richter Enderas wrote: never trust GOON all GOON do is make money for RMT.... we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner...... THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband??? u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more! "Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. " Pretty much plus if I do something nice like say run jump freighter or cap building the greifing is less likely so long as I do it for the right people. That and they tend to be in it for fun as well so that is always a plus.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.01.16 18:04:00 - [139] - Quote 1. OP flies HML CNR (Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Siege and Cruise Missile Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise Missile Velocity per level of skill ) 2. OP dies. (trust actually not important on this point) 3. Darwin's theory of natural selection lives on, in virtual form. If you lack the common sense to fit a ship according to it's bonuses, you deserve to lose it. The fact that OP thinks his fit is irrelevant and that trust is the issue here just adds to the hilarity of the situation. I'll clue you in, OP: Try learning the most basic, simple 'rules' about the games you play...maybe then you won't do such stupid things.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 48	Posted - 2013.01.16 21:58:00 - [140] - Quote I still don't see where this is coming from. The CNR was Cruise fitted. Doh. The member had been in the corp just long enough to fly 18 jumps. I kinda thought he might be ready to go. I was actually testing spider capping, and hadn't accepted the mission yet. That might explain a lot to people who have played for a while. We all know, now, that there are no ex-Goonies. I do not fly BCL Approved ships. Many of my ships are named 'Not BCL Approved'. I fly what works for me. That ship had been successful for months. No repair bills and all missions completed. What more do you want? I still can't understand what the ship or the fit as to do with it. As for my poor, dis-respected ex-corp members? Many had left a few days before because of a war dec. They didn't want to follow the rules. The others? Trial accounts and people who didn't produce. Sorry. No loss there. I did keep 2. You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy.

Ildryn Xiloite 69	Posted - 2013.01.16 22:08:00 - [141] - Quote Some Rando wrote: My CEO is an ex-Goon from the BOB days, guess that's why our corp is only RL friends. How did he become CEO of a noob corp? CURRENT CORPORATION University of Caille [UC] from 2012.10.27 03:32 to this day
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 48	Posted - 2013.01.16 22:09:00 - [142] - Quote Needmore Longcat wrote: His raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Who is 'He'. Mine wasn't equipped anywhere near like that. Look above.
dexington 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 539	Posted - 2013.01.16 22:15:00 - [143] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: 994 million ISK down the tubes. Learn to love your ship blowing up, and don't fly something you can't afford to lose... On a long enough timeline everyone lose their ship... GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 68	Posted - 2013.01.16 22:29:00 - [144] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread. Terrible fitting. Heavy missile launchers on a raven? GTFO. Fit cruise missiles. Also, lose the tracking range script. It doesn't exist. Targeting range will work better.
Sorlac Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.01.16 22:55:00 - [145] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll Its really all about opinion; to me 100 mil is a lot of is which I easily make mining no problem. Main reason why it's a lot to me is because I don't have a lot to spend it on so then I'll do silly things with it like by combat ships that sit in station collecting dust. So you can easily make "a lot "of isk mining if you don't need much to begin with.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 48	Posted - 2013.01.16 23:50:00 - [146] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread. Terrible fitting. Heavy missile launchers on a raven? GTFO. Fit cruise missiles. Also, lose the tracking range script. It doesn't exist. Targeting range will work better. My mistake. One of the reasons why the ship was so expensive is that the launchers were Caldari Navy Cruise. And you are right. It was a targeting range script. So STFO about the ship and fit.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 275	Posted - 2013.01.17 21:38:00 - [147] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy. Sure. Let's talk about how you euthanized these poor little clones before they could even grow out of hisec then.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 275	Posted - 2013.01.17 21:39:00 - [148] - Quote accidental double post plz delete sry ISD
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 2092	Posted - 2013.01.17 22:46:00 - [149] - Quote I just noticed the OP's name is "NPC" but anyway, try looking up the in-game item "Ship Fitting Guide" the raven thing is a running joke from years ago. Here is the question though....aren't people in real life equally capable of distrust? It's something you earn, as much in EVE as with real life. This is how people can trust each other in EVE. As for some other points, yes, inter-corp combat is allowed, including podding. CONCORD ignores all of it. A mechanic made to allow for corp members to practice combat on each other as well as evil infiltrations such as this. This mechanic is something you should have heard about in your 3 years of playing and is very likely going to be a running criticism to the end of this thread. You also say that this thread is more of a warning to people to not make the same mistake, correct? The problem here is that EVE already has a notorious reputation for having the potential for backstabs. Any one who spends a little time researching EVE's past will know this before they ever join. Not only that but you're essentially in place where you're trying to tell firefighters to not put water on a grease fire to which the firefighters respond "well no ****". And lastly your knee-jerk reaction is going to get you made fun of from here to hell and back. You essentially took that grease fire metaphor I just made and dumped out all your oil and declared that no one should ever cook with it ever again. You're over reacting and look like an idiot doing so. Your logic is essentially "We'll since this well-known-to-be-unreliable-oil caught fire I'll never use oil to cook with ever again". No, just be more careful about how you pick. As for people requesting your ship fit it's essentially them asking about which pan you cooked with. By flying a "shiny ship" (in this case a CNR with 7 faction launchers) you become more susceptible to be targeted as people want to steal the very same modules that make it so valuable. To fit this into my analogy it's like using a pan too small for meal you're trying to cook and you're saying "What does the pan have to do with anything? Oil is bad regardless" . No, setting yourself up to get burned is. Take better precautions and learn more about the game so you can cover your bases. Carry a metaphorical fire extinguisher, use better cooking oil, handle it better, and get a proper sized pan (or only use the smaller one if you're sure). Translated to EVE: Don't give them roles in the corp so you can kick them the second anything hairy happens, be more selective about who you choose and what you let newer members do, and don't flaunt an expensive ship unless you're around ell trusted people, keep a cheaper but still effective ship on hand when working with people you don't have full trust with yet. The Drake is a Lie
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1641	Posted - 2013.01.17 22:57:00 - [150] - Quote It's funny, the one ex-Goon we let into our wormhole coalition didn't steal billions of ISK from us, he managed to lose billions of his own ISK by getting his carrier and all his alts welped. I guess he kinda messed up our killboard efficiency, though, so there's that, right? Mane 614

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3220	Posted - 2013.01.17 23:55:00 - [151] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy. Sure. Let's talk about how you euthanized these poor little clones before they could even grow out of hisec then. Our newbies indeed commit suicide with their clone set to a station in a system like VFK. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Super spikinator Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:37:00 - [152] - Quote *puts on his robe and tinfoil hat What we have here people is a new type of awox. It is dirty, very cunning but very very dirty. I bet the OP himself is a goonswarm alt and was in a long range scam where he set up a "mission" corporation in the hopes of scamming several people out of their BPOs, Ships and other Items by using "help" and "low,low tax" as honey to draw in the poor defenseless carebears. Then invites a fellow awoxer to "gank" his ship (where is the kill mail for this, he types it out, I find that suspicious) and uses this as a pretext to "ragekick" out the carebears. So he loses a single CNR (probably with no fit, he only needed to undock it incase a member was around the station, or maybe it was a regular raven, the carebears might not of noticed the difference) and in return rakes in billions from thft loot. very cleaver. I give you no medals though.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 50	Posted - 2013.01.18 14:41:00 - [153] - Quote Xercodo wrote: I just noticed the OP's name is "NPC" Translated to EVE: Don't give them roles in the corp so you can kick them the second anything hairy happens, be more selective about who you choose and what you let newer members do, and don't flaunt an expensive ship unless you're around ell trusted people, keep a cheaper but still effective ship on hand when working with people you don't have full trust with yet. You make a lot of good points. In my defense . . . He did not have any roles, but he has to dock to be kicked. He had just flown 18 jumps to add some DPS to a mission. He had been in the corp for less than half an hour. Getting rid of corp members may well have been an over reaction, but I can't afford two losses like that in one week, let alone one day. The main result of the gank, for me, was just more erosion of trust in fellow players. It's easy to say that we can trust most players, but I don't think that is true, and, anyway, which ones? If corp members can gank each other at will, and I just had a good example of that, why have corp members? Some of the corp members now have ships that are more expensive than that CNR. I have to think of their safety, too. BTW, recruiting practices have changed drastically. Also, we have an agreement now, that anyone who targets another corp member's ship, unless he is flying a Logi, becomes target number 1. And I make that very clear to new joins.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 50	Posted - 2013.01.18 15:09:00 - [154] - Quote Super spikinator wrote: *puts on his robe and tinfoil hat What we have here people is a new type of awox. It is dirty, very cunning but very very dirty. I bet the OP himself is a goonswarm alt and was in a long range scam where he set up a "mission" corporation in the hopes of scamming several people out of their BPOs, Ships and other Items by using "help" and "low,low tax" as honey to draw in the poor defenseless carebears. Then invites a fellow awoxer to "gank" his ship (where is the kill mail for this, he types it out, I find that suspicious) and uses this as a pretext to "ragekick" out the carebears. So he loses a single CNR (probably with no fit, he only needed to undock it incase a member was around the station, or maybe it was a regular raven, the carebears might not of noticed the difference) and in return rakes in billions from thft loot. very cleaver. I give you no medals though. Glad you put on your tinfoil hat before posting this. I've never been a goonie. Some of my characters have fought against the goonies, but none has ever been a member. The corporation does not accept 'gifts' from corp members. The corp doesn't need any more ISK than we make from taxes now in order to do what it does. If corp members have ships, BPOs or ISK that are just burning holes in their pockets, they need to find someone else to give them to. I haven't been able to find a kill mail. I guess he didn't post it, and even if I knew how to post a kill mail, why would I post a loss?
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 874	Posted - 2013.01.18 15:23:00 - [155] - Quote After this corp was created I met up through one of the members with a few pirates. Was asked to do a level 4 with them, the CEO needed to crank up his sec status. All the way during the L4 mission I had my camera turned backwards keeping an eye out for anything fishy. Nothing happened. We became befriended, even joined the newly Alliance, stepped out of this corp at some point and joined the pirates, even though I'm not one but thought it could be handy knowing how they work and I liked to see a bit more then boring high-sec. Been in low sec, null sec, blew up a few POS and Sov modules, helped mopping up the remains of IT, got kicked out of Querious by Atlas, and all still was peachy. Two and a half years later the now Ex-CEO, crawls his way back into the corp in another character and runs away with 3 bil. of my BPO's and all my POS modules. It's the way EVE works. Either live with it or toss the towel in the ring. Just one little item, when I left the corp, one of the remaining members send me 3 bil. out of his own pocket. I'm still thinking of giving it back (no you cannot have it), since I already had written it off. It's a weird universe out here. Maybe that's why we're so passionate about it. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
Gorn Arming Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 131	Posted - 2013.01.18 15:26:00 - [156] - Quote I trust Goons completely. No question about it.
Lord Ryan Donkey Hats 787	Posted - 2013.01.18 15:38:00 - [157] - Quote No problem with Goons. It's the alts of that RL corp that freek me out, those guys are creepy. Better off solo! Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Khergit Deserters 648	Posted - 2013.01.18 16:32:00 - [158] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Kind of the first rule never take an ex-goon character or even one with an alt that has been in Goons. Well a rule in the top 10 anyway. It is one of the prices of being a goon. If you want to leave Goonswarm you need a new account. Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 163	Posted - 2013.01.18 16:36:00 - [159] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Ok, your first big mistake was making a thread about your loss, second was punishing the other corp members for some others actions. Any good CEO/Leader will acess the mistake he made , learn from it and move on. Trust is part of the risk factor involved with EvE, but you simply can't paint everybody with the same brush, it's a tough call, but most of us enjoy it that way, move on and have fun New Player retention is important to our community.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 51	Posted - 2013.01.18 19:58:00 - [160] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns. I'm sure there are exceptions. Too bad. The only good gonnie, active or ex-, is a dead one. They seem to attract the scum of the scum. Kind of understandable. Look at the leadership. I refused to judge my AWOXER on mistakes in his past. Look what I got. Maybe, if you ever make the same mistake, you will learn the same lesson.

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 51	Posted - 2013.01.18 20:14:00 - [161] - Quote Xpaulusx wrote: Ok, your first big mistake was making a thread about your loss, second was punishing the other corp members for some others actions. Any good CEO/Leader will acess the mistake he made , learn from it and move on. Trust is part of the risk factor involved with EvE, but you simply can't paint everybody with the same brush, it's a tough call, but most of us enjoy it that way, move on and have fun The problem is, that it isn't fun anymore. I've shut down 3 of my 5 accounts. I didn't build those characters for 1%ers to shoot at. They all have value. Why should I waste them in an arena where value means nothing and sheer destruction means everything? I ran a 4 ship mining team, all my characters, for more than a year. Made ISK, bought things, manufactured things. Basically tried to do CONstructive things. But that isn't what this game is about, is it? So I tried to find a middle ground. Mission running. It's not constructive, even though it keeps ISK circulating, but it also isn't destructive. And now I find it isn't safe. I keep playing the game because I USED to like. Not sure how long that is going to last.
Marius Deterium Crush Kill Destroy 8	Posted - 2013.01.18 20:41:00 - [162] - Quote Everything else aside.... how the hell can a carebear who runs level 4's for 12-18 hours daily, has a list of ships in corp hanger a page and a half long and he can't afford a new CNR? This the problem with bears in this game. They are horders. What is all that isk for anyways if you're not going to buy new ships with it?
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 57	Posted - 2013.01.19 05:15:00 - [163] - Quote Marius Deterium wrote: Everything else aside.... how the hell can a carebear who runs level 4's for 12-18 hours daily, has a list of ships in corp hanger a page and a half long and he can't afford a new CNR? This the problem with bears in this game. They are horders. What is all that isk for anyways if you're not going to buy new ships with it? The CNR wasn't my choice in the first place. I fly an SNI now. Much better for my style of play. I'm not a hoarder. I sell off 4-500 ships at a time, when the market is right. I just don't like to sell rigged ships, and most of what I have is rigged. I don't need new ships very often because I don't waste them doing stupid ****.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.01.19 16:11:00 - [164] - Quote If you are going to rage-disband YOUR OWN CORP. Unsub your accounts. Why not just finish the job? Since a single loss so utterly destroyed your ability to enjoy the game, why are you still playing? Biomass your characters and alts and spare yourself the trouble, already. Since this is such a negative thing for you, why not take a positive step to remove it from your life. OR You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!" But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the [strike]latter[/strike]former.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3230	Posted - 2013.01.19 16:17:00 - [165] - Quote Eram Fidard wrote: OR You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!" But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the [strike]latter[/strike]former. No, why not whine to CCP to nerf or remove awoxing ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 63	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:50:00 - [166] - Quote Eram Fidard wrote: You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!" But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the One of many things that I am stubbornly incapable of accepting is that that is the way the game is intended to be played. I mean, what did he get out of it? It appears that he isn't ever going to even post the killmail. Yes, he picked up some valuable loot, but, to me, it seems like it takes a pretty sick individual to do something like that for what he got out of it. Oddly enough, the people who I seem to get along with best in the game are people like me, who are unable to leave their senses of morals and ethics on one side of the keyboard. The others? I consider them to be kind of like poster children for the combination of genetic drift and moral decay. The goonies seem to act like a big magnet for these people.
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 542	Posted - 2013.01.19 20:47:00 - [167] - Quote I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed. The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3232	Posted - 2013.01.19 20:53:00 - [168] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed. The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. Because in highsec, pvp should be optional. In fact, we should try to prevent that as well. Here, have a suspect flag. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 68	Posted - 2013.01.20 07:01:00 - [169] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed. The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. I think I have a better answer. I'm not a sociopath. I would like to trust people, or at least give them a chance. I have to admit that my shields were at less than 50% before I realized that he was serious, and I never thought he would pod me, in Hi Sec, and get away with it completely. I'm not sure which one of us is the saddest. You, who sees everyone as a target, or me, who would like to give people the benefit of the doubt. So rail at me for disbanding my corp. With people like this around, it was the safest thing to do.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 99	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:54:00 - [170] - Quote News update. Since the OP, three obvious AWOXERS have tried to join my corp. Did I make someone mad, or do they just see VEERV as a pinata?

Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1125	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:56:00 - [171] - Quote It's been said before: Once a goonie, always a goonie. Same goes for the others, and you know who I mean. A zebra can't (or doesn't want to) change it's stripes. End of discussion. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:11:00 - [172] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Jackson Steely wrote: Did you thank him for teaching you a valuable lesson? EVE, cold and harsh, eh.. Not Politically Correct wrote: All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. EVE, smaller is better. You're best when you're solo. Or multiboxing, really. LMAO you guys make up your mind. You have pointed out in past post that eve is multi-player now you say eve is solo. This could happen from anyone at anytime. As much as I despise Goofswarm they arent the only awoxers.
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:18:00 - [173] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: I do this sort of work very regularly. I originally began doing it because it it one of the few methods to **** with people in highsec that hasn't been extensively and repeatedly nerfed. The real question is why, in a multiplayer pvp game, do you feel you shouldn't have to defend yourself, even if only by doing something as simple as maintaining some situational awareness. So exactly how do you maintain situational awareness against your squad mates? They are in the same situation as you.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 99	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:19:00 - [174] - Quote HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: LMAO you guys make up your mind. You have pointed out in past post that eve is multi-player now you say eve is solo. This could happen from anyone at anytime. As much as I despise Goofswarm they arent the only awoxers. I think you posted this in the wrong thread.
Kalle Demos Ironic Corp Name 80	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:27:00 - [175] - Quote After hearing your cool story I can safely say I am so happy that I have never been scammed in EVE, or even remotely betrayed. Man this thread has really cheered me up
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 158	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:31:00 - [176] - Quote I know this thread, it was bad. It is still bad. You should all feel bad for resurrecting it!
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 99	Posted - 2013.01.28 22:34:00 - [177] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: I know this thread, it was bad. It is still bad. You should all feel bad for resurrecting it! I do. (not)
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.01.28 23:50:00 - [178] - Quote This thread really should have died before it was even born. :)
flummox Lost Nomads 22	Posted - 2013.01.29 00:11:00 - [179] - Quote i would have shot you just for saying " 'Nough Said "... and you get less points for actually using "nough" instead of "nuff", in this case... I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult...
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 99	Posted - 2013.01.29 00:17:00 - [180] - Quote My my. Do I hear the quacking of 1%ers, or are you just new players.

Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 798	Posted - 2013.01.29 07:55:00 - [181] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. So you made a mistake and everyone else gets punished for it? Holy crap, the CEO of Goldman-Sachs plays EvE! EvE Forum Bingo
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7429	Posted - 2013.01.29 08:00:00 - [182] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Eram Fidard wrote: You could say to yourself "hey, it's a GAME, one that OTHER PEOPLE PLAY TOO...and that guy who killed me, he was just playing it the way it was intended!" But since you are stubbornly incapable of learning even the most simple lesson about eve, you're best off with the One of many things that I am stubbornly incapable of accepting is that that is the way the game is intended to be played. Well how many more times do CCP have to confirm it becfore you become capable? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
JamesCLK 285	Posted - 2013.01.29 08:44:00 - [183] - Quote It still amuses me how many people don't think that posting on the forums can have in game consequences. Note to OP: By creating this thread, you have marked yourself as a juicy target for forum reading awoxers. Congratulations! Now you really can't trust anyone until this thread fades out of memory. Malcanis, Marc Scaurus,-áMynnna and Ripard Teg for CSM 8!
Jada Maroo Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 987	Posted - 2013.01.29 09:28:00 - [184] - Quote I do think there needs to be an counter in situations like this since the mechanic really isn't being used as intended. The ability to freely shoot corp mates in high sec won't have any real place in the game once the duel system is introduced and should be made into a Concord infraction. Alternately, let players "leave" corps in space if under attack by a corp mate and they haven't fired back by making the stasis period engage Concord protection from corpies. Or better yet, let CEOs decide whether member on member aggression is allowed in the corp or calls in Concord.
Ra Jackson CRIMINALS IN ACTION Pure Madness. 152	Posted - 2013.01.29 09:40:00 - [185] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: I do think there needs to be an counter in situations like this since the mechanic really isn't being used as intended. The ability to freely shoot corp mates in high sec won't have any real place in the game once the duel system is introduced and should be made into a Concord infraction. Alternately, let players "leave" corps in space if under attack by a corp mate and they haven't fired back by making the stasis period engage Concord protection from corpies. Or better yet, let CEOs decide whether member on member aggression is allowed in the corp or calls in Concord. There is the counter of being able to shoot back. Works as intended. How you can lose a Navy Raven outside of station is beyond me tho.. To the OP: The question is not if you can trust people in this game, but with what. If you decide to undock your shiny mission ship alongside a new recruit you decide to trust him with it.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 38	Posted - 2013.01.29 09:47:00 - [186] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Adam Junior wrote: You've succeded in letting the "dirty gewn" cause far more upset than he'd ever planned on causing by ragekicking everyone. Well done! Wasn't ragekicking. How can I trust them? The answer is that I don't anymore. You deny it and yet, in the same sentence You confirm it. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Jada Maroo Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 987	Posted - 2013.01.29 10:06:00 - [187] - Quote Ra Jackson wrote: There is the counter of being able to shoot back. Works as intended. How you can lose a Navy Raven outside of station is beyond me tho.. Not all ships are combat ships, and not all ships are equipped for PvP. But that isn't even relevant. CCP has established certain guidelines to what causes Concord to respond in high sec. Up until now, they have left this bizarre mechanic of allowing people within a corp to freely shoot up their corpmates while they are locked in corp in space untouched. I don't believe this is currently working as intended. I think the purpose of it was likely to allow corp members to practice PvP on each other freely, not to use it as a mechanics-based trap. I'd be very surprised if it stays this way for long after the duel system is implemented. It tilts far too heavily on the side of the ganker. He was the CEO and he couldn't even kick the pilot from corp because he was in space, which is silly. Even if a pilot has roles, stasis pilots shouldn't stay in corp for a day. They should be immediately dropped to NPC corp where normal rules apply and then be prevented from joining a new corp for a day from there, not from their previous employer. I wondered why he didn't dock too, but he said he was 100k off the station. All that said, I never trust anyone. Especially players with a lot of corp hopping history.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 38	Posted - 2013.01.29 10:09:00 - [188] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Rain6635 wrote: show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread. I feel like someone ripped You off good for recommending that fit, but maybe You got that faction launchers for free so it may have been a good deal... :/ There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 38	Posted - 2013.01.29 10:22:00 - [189] - Quote Peter Raptor wrote: It's come to a stage where I don't even accept people with a "G" in their name. I guess Gustavioon Greatwaffles would be out of the question then? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 827	Posted - 2013.01.29 11:02:00 - [190] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: [ You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON" I trust Goons all the time. Why I trusted a Goon just the other day. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 38	Posted - 2013.01.29 11:51:00 - [191] - Quote Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Pewty McPew wrote: [ You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON" I trust Goons all the time. Why I trusted a Goon just the other day. lol, that sounds a lot like some people I overheard the other day: "I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are foreigners!" :) There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1045	Posted - 2013.01.29 11:58:00 - [192] - Quote My glorious leader was a member of Goonfleet back when that was a thing and I've never had a problem. Must just be you OP.
DrunkenNinja Caldari Provisions Caldari State 98	Posted - 2013.01.29 12:17:00 - [193] - Quote Maybe you shouldn't have been missioning in a CNR if losing it was such a big deal to you anyway? It's just PVE man, why are you so upset? Maybe this revelation will help get you into low/nullsec?
Herr Esiq Dirt Nap Squad 21	Posted - 2013.01.29 12:23:00 - [194] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. I dont want to pile up on you, but this never should have happened. Learn about the different types of flags in this game and how they work for or against you. This is a good place to start: Crimewatch I assume you shot back and got a weapons flag and couldnt dock up. Else its nigh impossible to lose a battleship at docking range of a station. This is also the reason why people go through suck lengths of baiting someone to shoot them. (undocking while flashy etc etc) In short, if you dont want to battle till death, dont return fire unless committed to the fight. Because weapons flag will prevent you from docking in any station, jumping through a stargate, ejecting from or boarding another ship while in space, and storing a ship in a corp or fleet hangar.
Cannibal Kane Chosen of New Eden 1312	Posted - 2013.01.29 12:26:00 - [195] - Quote People seem to be playing the Victim card way to much. I have been on the receiving end of a AWOX... however it went very bad for the dude that tried. If your going to act like a victim your going to be a victim to anybody and everybody that comes after you. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 112	Posted - 2013.01.29 16:47:00 - [196] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: I do think there needs to be an counter in situations like this since the mechanic really isn't being used as intended. The ability to freely shoot corp mates in high sec won't have any real place in the game once the duel system is introduced and should be made into a Concord infraction. Alternately, let players "leave" corps in space if under attack by a corp mate and they haven't fired back by making the stasis period engage Concord protection from corpies. Or better yet, let CEOs decide whether member on member aggression is allowed in the corp or calls in Concord. Corp mates aggrressing each other in my corp is not allowed. I've seen too many good ships lost by 'accident'. One of the first things I tell new joins is that if they lock a corp mate, they become priority target number 1 for every other corp mate on scene. Our Logi pilot is the only exception, and that is because I know his ship isn't armed.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 112	Posted - 2013.01.29 16:51:00 - [197] - Quote DrunkenNinja wrote: Maybe this revelation will help get you into low/nullsec? I've spent a year in null sec. The number of people who can be trusted there is less than in Hi Sec, which isn't a great endorsement for either.
Khergit Deserters 676	Posted - 2013.01.29 18:45:00 - [198] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns. I'm sure there are exceptions. Too bad. The only good goonie, active or ex-, is a dead one. They seem to attract the scum of the scum. Kind of understandable. Look at the leadership. I refused to judge my AWOXER on mistakes in his past. Look what I got. Maybe, if you ever make the same mistake, you will learn the same lesson. Ever see "A Clockwork Orange"? Remember how they rehabilitated that droogie? It make take about the same for a Goon. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
NARDAC NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES Claimed. 17	Posted - 2013.01.29 19:12:00 - [199] - Quote Memories.... I too once started a new player friendly high-sec training corp doing mission running with newbs, and allowed in a few other players that said they too wanted to help out the newer players.. I figured, what do I have to lose? I didn't give out the POS roles. I had all the expensive stuff in locked down in personal hangers. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14915039 A more experienced player wanted to run a mission with me but didn't have a ship handy.. so, I loaned him my maelstrom. Not only did he blow up my billion iSK macherial, he did it with the ship I loaned him. He also took about 300 million ISK worth of stuff from the shared corp hanger. Then he wouldn't dock up so that I could kick him from corp, so no one else could undock until they left corp. The year leading up to that point had been super frustrating, both in game (2 corps disintegrated and a 3rd moved to northern 0.0) and in real life ( was undergoing cancer treatment) that I gave up on this player base and quit EVE. It felt like, if you are not a total donkeyhole, this game just is not for you.... Took a year away before I came back.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3348	Posted - 2013.01.30 02:32:00 - [200] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Are you saying that no Goon, not even one, can ever be successfully rehabilitated? That Goons have no chance at all of ever becoming decent human beings again? I want to see some credible demographic statistics on ex-Goon recidivism (that's the correct spelling there, I looked it up) rates. Until then, I refuse to judge my fellow man based upon mistakes he may have made in his past. Even if that includes a history with Gewns. I'm sure there are exceptions. Too bad. The only good goonie, active or ex-, is a dead one. They seem to attract the scum of the scum. Kind of understandable. Look at the leadership. I refused to judge my AWOXER on mistakes in his past. Look what I got. Maybe, if you ever make the same mistake, you will learn the same lesson. Ever see "A Clockwork Orange"? Remember how they rehabilitated that droogie? It make take about the same for a Goon. Honestly, going awoxing or corp thieving without even at least making a new alt is just lazy. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 130	Posted - 2013.01.30 16:59:00 - [201] - Quote NARDAC wrote: Memories.... I too once started a new player friendly high-sec training corp doing mission running with newbs, and allowed in a few other players that said they too wanted to help out the newer players.. I figured, what do I have to lose? I didn't give out the POS roles. I had all the expensive stuff in locked down in personal hangers. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14915039 A more experienced player wanted to run a mission with me but didn't have a ship handy.. so, I loaned him my maelstrom. Not only did he blow up my billion iSK macherial, he did it with the ship I loaned him. He also took about 300 million ISK worth of stuff from the shared corp hanger. Then he wouldn't dock up so that I could kick him from corp, so no one else could undock until they left corp. The year leading up to that point had been super frustrating, both in game (2 corps disintegrated and a 3rd moved to northern 0.0) and in real life ( was undergoing cancer treatment) that I gave up on this player base and quit EVE. It felt like, if you are not a total donkeyhole, this game just is not for you.... Took a year away before I came back. I'm not glad I wasn't the only one. I kind of wish I had been, but maybe a few other CEOs will see this and save themselves some grief.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 130	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:12:00 - [202] - Quote Debora Tsung wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Adam Junior wrote: You've succeded in letting the "dirty gewn" cause far more upset than he'd ever planned on causing by ragekicking everyone. Well done! Wasn't ragekicking. How can I trust them? The answer is that I don't anymore. You deny it and yet, in the same sentence You confirm it. Look at it this way. I run missions with expensive ships, and some of the new corp members also have expensive ships. So far the new members have proven to be trustworthy. The old corp members? What did I know about them except that they were new? But new what's? New goonie alts or just new players. Our expensive ships have value to us because of the time and effort that we put in gathering the ISK needed to buy them. It doesn't matter that we can afford to replace them. What matters is that we don't like losing them so some nimrod can get a few seconds of pleasure out of destroying them. We would not engage in consensual PvP in those ships. They are designed to run missions, quickly and efficiently, not for PvP. No matter what the vocal minority says, the world does not revolve around PvP. Lately I've been hearing that from a lot of other people, too. Also, as a CEO I have a responsibility to provide a safe work environment for corp members. If that means getting rid of members that I don't personally trust, it's still a responsibility, and has nothing to do with how mad that incident made me. All things considered, I stick by that decision, and I think that any CEO in the same circumstances who doesn't make the same decision is likely to learn the same way that I did.
Posta Wifda Mosta Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:36:00 - [203] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. There are a lot of people in this game who would probably **** their pants if you showed them a clenched fist in real life. I've been in your kind of position before, I've lost a corp worth billions and I even had someone like that goonie whom I never really trusted. The one day when he decided to attack my vigilant worth near 2 billion with a navy issue Mega he was surprised that I had other accounts including a top end armor logistic ship (I shadowed my combat ships with a cloaky logi for over a week expecting him to try something) and that all of my miners were well trained to fly stealth bombers. He was expecting to alpha my Vigilant before it could escape, but it didn't pan out for him. Needless to say he quit the corp. However there are decent people that you can trust for the most part and have fun playing with so don't totally over react.
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 779	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:38:00 - [204] - Quote So what you're saying is: Characters with GOON employment histories have toilet stock? --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. ****
Krazynikomo Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 21	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:50:00 - [205] - Quote Carebear gets awoxed, news at 12.
Barakach Caldari Provisions Caldari State 144	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:55:00 - [206] - Quote Pewty McPew wrote: You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON" I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale if you interested. Unless you are a Goon.
Posta Wifda Mosta Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.01.30 17:58:00 - [207] - Quote Krazynikomo wrote: Carebear gets awoxed, news at 12. Goof
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1244	Posted - 2013.01.30 18:01:00 - [208] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. ROTFLMAO (yea, i know that's an old ass acronym, look it up in a dictionary, you young whipper snappers) But seriously (and if this isn't a pretty epic troll), WTF do you expect? It's not just about Goons, Awoxing happens all over EVE. You defend against it in a number of ways, like not inviting people you don't truly know well to fly along side your expensive money making ships The problem isn't with the game, or even with other people, the problem was your choice to try to do some co-op play with someone you didn't really know (along with your over-attachment to pixels, so what a ship went boom, ships in EVE do that). Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp? Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 130	Posted - 2013.01.30 18:24:00 - [209] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp? Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online? It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3444	Posted - 2013.01.30 18:41:00 - [210] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp? Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online? It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. EvE will continue to become a better game, yes, however it is unlikely that your definition of "better" will be used. I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.

Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1760	Posted - 2013.01.30 18:44:00 - [211] - Quote You know.... if you don't trust people to be in a corp with you.... form an alliance, put yourself in a protected corp... and have a separate recruiting corp to bring in people that you don't trust... Alliance members cannot open fire on each other... only corp members can...
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 130	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:07:00 - [212] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others. The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from.
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 311	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:13:00 - [213] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others. The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. You have obviously never had the joy of letting a spy succeed only to allow PL to coincidentally come down on them. With a hotdrop.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3446	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:21:00 - [214] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others. The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. That is, of course, irrelevant. In my country I have the right to vote. I may or may not choose to excercise that right, but I can recognize the fact that this right needs to exist. You are operating using the same rules set as every other player. If you choose not to participate in some area's of the game that the rules allow for that is your right, however it is not up to you to try and insist that parts of the game you do not participate in cease to exist. Your sucessful participation in this game dictates that you at least be aware of these area's and the potential effect they may have on you and govern your game play accordingly. If you choose not to go even that far then you must deal with the consequences. You can, of course, express your opinion... however you should not expect to get much support for such a narrow minded and somewhat selfish point of view. You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set. Or you can seek a game more suited to your personal tastes. That choice is up to you. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1246	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:34:00 - [215] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a *problem* since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. This is the sense of entitlement and unreasonableness that drives some of us to talk about "high sec people" on this forum. You types don't really like EVE but can't figure out how to stop playing. The bolded word is a perfect example. Non-consensual pvp is not a "problem", it is a a FEATURE and FOUNDING PRINCIPLE of EVE since day one. Hell, CCP is pretty much a real life company full of griefers and tear extraction artists A wise game player tries a game, determines if he/she is compatible with the games core principles and mechanics (ie, is it fun to them), and THEN decides whether to stay or leave. Not so for many a high sec player. Some come in with preconceived notions (one guy on this forum a while back said he came in expecting EVE to be a "realistic space simulator" and was disappointed that is wasn't L--O--freaking---L), some come with bad habits from other mmos, and others are just to....not smart... to stop playing a game they deep down hate "because it could be better one day and i don't want to miss out if it gets better". Just about every one of those above could probably benefit from time with a real life mental health professional or Oprah Winfrey........
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:41:00 - [216] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set. One thing I've learned in this game is to avoid any advice that includes the word 'best'. I don't give people advice on in-game stuff, and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either. If I want to find out how something works, I try it. It's been working great so far . . . with a few exceptions.
Parsival Metafarmers 1	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:52:00 - [217] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I don't give people advice on in-game stuff... Thank goodness because you are obviously not very good at EVE. Everything from failing to fit a Raven properly to failing to run a corp properly points to this. Not Politically Correct wrote: and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either. If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.
Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:01:00 - [218] - Quote Me. You can trust me. Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:17:00 - [219] - Quote Parsival wrote: If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks. In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have. Just remember that conventional wisdom is for conventional people. And that 90% of what the 'experts' in this game tell you was never true even when they started playing.
NARDAC NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES Claimed. 18	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:50:00 - [220] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. It's like we're twins or something. The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit. I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for. I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic. Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker. So, I quit the game again. But, I got bored. In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better. I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them. Anyway, try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to.

Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 166	Posted - 2013.01.30 21:26:00 - [221] - Quote NARDAC wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I gave away all my stufz once. It's like we're twins or something. Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it.
Lugia3 Pirates Incorporated 255	Posted - 2013.01.30 22:10:00 - [222] - Quote NARDAC wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. It's like we're twins or something. The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit. I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for. I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic. Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker. So, I quit the game again. But, I got bored. In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better. I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them. Anyway, try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to. Oh god, CAREBEARS! ALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERTALERT Give drones some love: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2176396&#post2176396
Winchester Steele A Perfectly Normal Corp. 82	Posted - 2013.01.30 22:56:00 - [223] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp? Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online? It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 1202	Posted - 2013.01.30 23:29:00 - [224] - Quote I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 01:29:00 - [225] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: NARDAC wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I gave away all my stufz once. It's like we're twins or something. Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it. I know the names of all 14 of my alts. He isn't one of them. Same experience, same game, is it possible that there is a trend here?
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 01:31:00 - [226] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp? Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online? It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable. Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 01:40:00 - [227] - Quote Rico Minali wrote: I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them. Let's see. Services provided: 1. 2.5% tax rate. (I don't need any more ISK.) 2. 20% shield boost, 10% shield resists. 3. 36 Hi Sec Level 4 agents to run missions for. 4. Ships and fittings if they need them. 5. I don't tell them what to do or when to do it. (Kind of makes their actions consensual, doesn't it?) 6. Voice comms. 7. No mandatory corp fits. They fly what they are comfortable with. But I guess you are right. I don't provide anything for them. [irony] EDIT: Dammit, I forgot 8. Free freighter service. 9. Free Orca boost for ones who mine in their spare time.
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1695	Posted - 2013.01.31 01:50:00 - [228] - Quote Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia. Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 02:08:00 - [229] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia. Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party No, but I have considered emigrating to Oz.
Nessa Aldeen The Sword and The Shield 8	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:31:00 - [230] - Quote Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship". Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner. Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other. Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon. On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship?

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:56:00 - [231] - Quote Nessa Aldeen wrote: Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship". Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner. Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other. Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon. On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship? I've stated my reasons above. Yeah, it was dumb, but I was the one on the bleeding edge. As a CEO, there are a lot of decisions I don't want to make, but, if I don't someone may get hurt.
Parsival Metafarmers 2	Posted - 2013.01.31 03:58:00 - [232] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Parsival wrote: If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks. In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have. Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 04:13:00 - [233] - Quote Parsival wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Parsival wrote: If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks. In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have. Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy. As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone. Sympathy? I don't need that either. What I intended was a public service message. Ever heard of those? BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character?
Winchester Steele A Perfectly Normal Corp. 82	Posted - 2013.01.31 05:42:00 - [234] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable. Not Politically Correct wrote: Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread. Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts. Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend. (Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth)
Parsival Metafarmers 2	Posted - 2013.01.31 06:48:00 - [235] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone. So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'? Not Politically Correct wrote: Sympathy? I don't need that either. Attention then.... whatever Not Politically Correct wrote: BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character? Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob
Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 224	Posted - 2013.01.31 09:35:00 - [236] - Quote If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox. Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER. Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions. Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2. That simple. Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.01.31 11:04:00 - [237] - Quote Kryss Darkdust wrote: If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox. Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER. Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions. Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2. That simple. Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO. That's pretty bad advice. If your only accepting people you know in real life then your corp will never grow. Your problem is that you are giving everyone director role.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 133	Posted - 2013.01.31 16:31:00 - [238] - Quote Parsival wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone. So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'? Not Politically Correct wrote: Sympathy? I don't need that either. Attention then.... whatever Not Politically Correct wrote: BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character? Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement. I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you. I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.
Ban Bindy Bindy Brothers Pottery Association 446	Posted - 2013.01.31 16:58:00 - [239] - Quote Kryss Darkdust wrote: If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox. Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER. Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions. Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2. That simple. Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO. So you play an internationally available MMO only with your personal friends and their personal friends. What a brilliant policy.
Parsival Metafarmers 2	Posted - 2013.01.31 17:36:00 - [240] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement. I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you. I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all. I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing. 2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say?

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 135	Posted - 2013.01.31 23:24:00 - [241] - Quote Parsival wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement. I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you. I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all. I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing. 2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say? I think you need to read the rest of the thread now. I didn't expect anyone to be interested in the fit, and I made a mistake. It happens . . . to both of us.
Kalanaja Dog Nation United PNG Associates 30	Posted - 2013.02.01 03:16:00 - [242] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: 3 pages of idiots because EVE is so much better thanks to them. Welcome to skuzbucket EVE. It's why every other "sandbox" is in a toilet and EVE will be eventually too. Because they belong there. Sounds like someone should go back to to playing games where you're told what to do. If you're interested, wow and hello kitty are back in the opposite direction.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3352	Posted - 2013.02.01 04:18:00 - [243] - Quote Parsival wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement. I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you. I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all. I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing. 2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say? EVE 2013: Heavy Missile nerfs were not enough to make battleship launchers viable on .. a battleship. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE 31	Posted - 2013.02.01 05:41:00 - [244] - Quote NARDAC wrote: It's like we're twins or something. The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit. I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for. I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic. Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker. So, I quit the game again. But, I got bored. In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better. I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them. Anyway, try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to. PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE. Anyway to pick apart your post: 1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious. 2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out. 3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR. 4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 136	Posted - 2013.02.02 03:51:00 - [245] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable. Not Politically Correct wrote: Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread. Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts. Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend. (Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth) I wish all of you people would shut up and let me play the game. Itshould be obvious, even to a moron, that you are NOT in the majority. And I checked all of the advertisements I could find for Eve Online, and the writeups, and several other things. None of them say anything about 1%ers controlling your in-game life.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 136	Posted - 2013.02.02 03:54:00 - [246] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: 2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say? EVE 2013: Heavy Missile nerfs were not enough to make battleship launchers viable on .. a battleship.[/quote] You, also, need to read some more of the thread. They weren't HMLs. As mentioned above.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 136	Posted - 2013.02.02 03:59:00 - [247] - Quote Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. lollerwaffle wrote: PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE. Anyway to pick apart your post: 1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious. 2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out. 3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR. 4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.
Degren Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1950	Posted - 2013.02.03 21:18:00 - [248] - Quote Poast. Hello again, friends.
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.02.03 21:51:00 - [249] - Quote Wow, this thread still hasn't died yet. It's been reincarnated more times than a buddhist monk.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 136	Posted - 2013.02.03 23:33:00 - [250] - Quote A number of things have been posted that needed to be said, and not just by me.

Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.02.04 00:46:00 - [251] - Quote Dehumanizing your enemies is a cheap way to make yourself feel validated in your actions. The fact still remains. YOU made the mistake of trusting someone with your ship. YOU overreacted, destroying your corp. YOU posted this thread, ensuring your place as a nice juicy, whining target. Everything that happened to you, continues to happen to you, and will likely happen to you in the future... IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT. People don't magically become sociopaths the instant they decide to violence your internet spaceship. The very fact that you were so emotionally attached to it tells me that yes, you are playing the game wrong. EVE is (very generally) about blowing up spaceships. Do the math. You are also wrong when you say you think EVE was not intended to be this way. I'm not sure why I really have to explain this, but here goes: EVE currently exists, and always has existed, in a state of 'open pvp'. Even CONCORD 'protection' is an added feature to the game, and outside of it's original intention. CCP - the people who made/make this game - have added similar features over the years, tweaking the game to be more new-player friendly. It also used to be possible to shoot fleet members of someone who you were at war with, which was a conscious decision made by CCP when they first implemented the war-dec system. When this was the case, I once got 'betrayed' by someone in hisec (he invited me to his fleet, making me a valid target for his friends who had his corp 'at war'. This was my own failing: 1. I didn't know the rules. 2. I trusted someone without reason or cause. I didn't rage-disband my newbie corp. I didn't come crying to the forums (I knew even at <1year into the game that posting tears makes you a target). I didn't generalise an entire group of people I don't know as sociopaths. I didn't expect CCP to change the direction of their game to counter my failings. I learned from my mistake and moved on. If you can't figure out how to do that, you are missing most "RL SP" that these people you generalise as sociopaths seem to have in droves. TL;DR: GGWP HTFU or GTFO and the obligatory: W2E.
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE 31	Posted - 2013.02.04 03:55:00 - [252] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. lollerwaffle wrote: PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE. Anyway to pick apart your post: 1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious. 2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out. 3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR. 4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite. So you resort to name calling when you have no argument? How cute and original
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3359	Posted - 2013.02.04 04:00:00 - [253] - Quote Eram Fidard wrote: TL;DR: GGWP HTFU or GTFO and the obligatory: Welcome2EVE. P.S. TEARS TARGET TEARSTARGET TEARGET GET TEARS That's still too long... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Kanexus Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate 5	Posted - 2013.02.04 04:53:00 - [254] - Quote something happened like this when i first played...someone i met through local we talked for a few hours and he needed a corp i offered him the one i was in and to make a long story short he blew up my hulk while i was mining. i mean i dont get it myself we talked for a few hours seemed nice etc. i mean people realize that yeah they got you hahaha but they missed out on possibly great people to fly with...maybe even romances if one is a chick. i mean at least null sec and pirates u know what u getting urself into...what happened to you OP is just plain being an *******!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1268	Posted - 2013.02.04 05:08:00 - [255] - Quote Eram Fidard wrote: YOU made the mistake of trusting someone with your ship. YOU overreacted, destroying your corp. YOU posted this thread, ensuring your place as a nice juicy, whining target. Everything that happened to you, continues to happen to you, and will likely happen to you in the future... IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT. ___________________ . Dehumanising your enemies is a cheap way to make yourself feel validated in your actions. (he/they/it are just ____ so I can do ____ justifiably) This is used around the world for far worse things than internet spaceship violence. It's a slippery slope, and the prelude to any war is always the dehumanisation of one's enemy. People don't magically become sociopaths the instant they decide to join your corp to violence your internet spaceship. They are playing a role in the game, and as most EVE players know, spies/thieves/agents are not something you can ignore. The very fact that you were so emotionally attached to your pixels tells me that yes, you are playing the game wrong. EVE is (very generally) about blowing up spaceships. Do the math. You are also wrong when you say you think EVE was not intended to be this way. I'm not sure why I really have to explain this, but here goes: EVE currently exists, and always has existed, in a state of 'open pvp'. Even CONCORD 'protection' is an added feature to the game, and outside of it's original intention. CCP - the people who made/make this game - have added similar features over the years, tweaking the game to be more new-player friendly. It also used to be possible to shoot fleet members of someone who you were at war with, which was a conscious decision (not sure on this one, sources?) made by CCP when they first implemented the war-dec system. When this was the case, I once got 'betrayed' by someone in hisec (he invited me to his fleet, making me a valid target for his friends who had his corp 'at war'. This was my own failing: 1. I didn't know the rules. 2. I trusted someone without reason or cause. I didn't rage-disband my newbie corp. I didn't come crying to the forums (I knew even at <1year into the game that posting tears makes you a target). I didn't generalise an entire group of people I don't know as sociopaths. I didn't expect CCP to change the very nature of their game to counter my failings. I learned from my mistake and moved on. If you can't figure out how to do that, you are missing most "RL SP" that these people you generalise as sociopaths seem to have in droves. TL;DR: GGWP HTFU or GTFO and the obligatory: Welcome2EVE. P.S. TEARS TARGET TEARSTARGET TEARGET GET TEARS +1 For some people the idea of personal responsiblity is totally foriegn. It amazes (and saddens) me to see how often people are willing to blame external factors for their unhappiness/failure than look at themselves and recognize the flawed thinking that led to their choices. But thats what too many people do, in game and out.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.02.04 06:28:00 - [256] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Eram Fidard wrote: TL;DR: G That's still too long... Fixed.
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange 903	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:44:00 - [257] - Quote OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again. If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer? Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead. As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision? Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Winchester Steele 84	Posted - 2013.02.05 00:52:00 - [258] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable. Not Politically Correct wrote: Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread. Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts. Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend. (Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth) I wish all of you people would shut up and let me play the game. Itshould be obvious, even to a moron, that you are NOT in the majority. And I checked all of the advertisements I could find for Eve Online, and the writeups, and several other things. None of them say anything about 1%ers controlling your in-game life. Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine. What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously. As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy". Hi-Sec needs a CSM rep with Courage, Dignity and Conviction. In these dark and trying times we need a man of action to represent our interests and protect the sanctity of our sandbox. That man is James 315 and his time is now. 315 for CSM 8!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3363	Posted - 2013.02.05 07:36:00 - [259] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine. What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously. As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy". The tears are pretty.... interesting. One would assume such tears would end in a troll, but no, it's genuine. This almost confuses me. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Provence Tristram Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.02.05 09:14:00 - [260] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change. They say that 4.5% of the population is a sociopath. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage. Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel. I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else.

Shawnm339 Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension 74	Posted - 2013.02.05 11:04:00 - [261] - Quote missions 18 hours a day I'd nerf myself
Shawnm339 Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension 74	Posted - 2013.02.05 11:07:00 - [262] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change. They say that 4.5% of the population are sociopaths. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage. Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel. I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else. I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously
Yim Sei Ontogenic Achronycal PLC 55	Posted - 2013.02.05 11:21:00 - [263] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Why is anyone concerned with the fit? Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill? Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike. Oh. That's right, this isn't RL. I lolled +1 Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Yim Sei Ontogenic Achronycal PLC 55	Posted - 2013.02.05 11:27:00 - [264] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change. They say that 4.5% of the population are sociopaths. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage. Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel. I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else. wow dude I think you do need to lighten up a bit. TBH I agree with 90% of the stuff your saying, but I guess I learned to laugh about it :) Saying that doesnt mean you should walk through life with your eyes closed. There has to be a happy medium, a 'normal' otherwise you are not doing your mental health any favours. Peace bro Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
xxVastorxx The Scope Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.02.05 11:33:00 - [265] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it. Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old. I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. Exactly. That's why massive corporations are doomed to fail. Smaller is better. You shouldn't be telling others smaller is better when your in a large corp/alliance/coalition.
Provence Tristram Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.02.05 12:00:00 - [266] - Quote Shawnm339 wrote: I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals? Would you be underhanded while playing sports? Would you cheat in a FPS? Would you hack a different MMO? Would you be callous while playing a board game? Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all. Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?' I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder. Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading. But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7565	Posted - 2013.02.05 12:39:00 - [267] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Shawnm339 wrote: I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals? Would you be underhanded while playing sports? Would you cheat in a FPS? Would you hack a different MMO? Would you be callous while playing a board game? Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all. Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?' I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder. Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading. But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future. On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay. Your Risk analogy fails on this point: removing another player's pieces while he's in the bathroom is explicitly not part of that game. It's the EVE equivalent of stealing someone's account, not of awoxing their mission CNR. That's not to say that you have to play that way, but to complain about it is like calling someone a thug because he brought you down in a running tackle in a game of rugby. EVE is one of the very few games that legitimately enables people to play the villain. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Provence Tristram Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.02.05 12:44:00 - [268] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: Shawnm339 wrote: I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals? Would you be underhanded while playing sports? Would you cheat in a FPS? Would you hack a different MMO? Would you be callous while playing a board game? Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all. Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?' I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder. Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading. But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future. On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay. Your Risk analogy fails on this point: removing another player's pieces while he's in the bathroom is explicitly not part of that game. It's the EVE equivalent of stealing someone's account, not of awoxing their mission CNR. That's not to say that you have to play that way, but to complain about it is like calling someone a thug because he brought you down in a running tackle in a game of rugby. EVE is one of the very few games that legitimately enables people to play the villain. We are all given choices on how to act in real life, too. In real life, you can legitimately play the villain as well. And, I might add, you can get very far ahead by doing it. I still fail to see the difference. One is casual, the other is deadly serious, but I don't know that you can argue that they're not symptomatic of the same behavioral urges. In the end, we are all choosing to be good or evil whether we are in EVE or not. Changing the stakes doesn't change the choice, it just alters the impact.
Aracimia Wolfe Fade To Darkness 164	Posted - 2013.02.05 12:54:00 - [269] - Quote This is the first time I've seen a hisec missioner that almost managed to give me multiple slots on the minerbingo card....... @ the OP Leaving aside all the crap and your blatant overaction to the point that I suspect Trollery is afoot. By kicking all your corp members due to a single awoxxing incident that was clearly your own fault they are simply better off without you. Sorry, not trying to be mean here but that attitude deserves to be forever alone. I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3363	Posted - 2013.02.05 14:22:00 - [270] - Quote Aracimia Wolfe wrote: This is the first time I've seen a hisec missioner that almost managed to give me multiple slots on the minerbingo card....... @ the OP Leaving aside all the crap and your blatant overaction to the point that I suspect Trollery is afoot. By kicking all your corp members due to a single awoxxing incident that was clearly your own fault they are simply better off without you. Sorry, not trying to be mean here but that attitude deserves to be forever alone. Smaller is better. You're best when you're alone, like in a one-man corp that can be disbanded and reformed. Or in a group like a wonderful NPC corp. Your actual tax liability may vary ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

Yim Sei Ontogenic Achronycal PLC 55	Posted - 2013.02.05 14:47:00 - [271] - Quote This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance. Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches). Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc. Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things. Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all. These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work. All anyone can do is be more vigilant. TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended. Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence. Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram..... With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights. There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution. If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken. I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites. Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me. Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7565	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:01:00 - [272] - Quote Yim Sei wrote: This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance. Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches). Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc. Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things. Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all. These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work. All anyone can do is be more vigilant. TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended. Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence. Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram..... With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights. There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution. If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken. I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites. Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me. Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 373	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:07:00 - [273] - Quote You lose not even a bill and turtle hard? really? REALLY? I guess it kinda depends how much fun you were having with other people although you post reads more like "I started a low tax corp so I could get tax of mission runners." rather than, I started a corp to achieve something.
Yim Sei Ontogenic Achronycal PLC 55	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:09:00 - [274] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Yim Sei wrote: wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason. Please read posts carefully before posting. How is a CEO going to get a player to kill a corpmate anyway with the prize being a security drop? There is a risk there and without reward, it wont happen so your argument is ......neither here nor there Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Provence Tristram Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:11:00 - [275] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Yim Sei wrote: This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance. Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches). Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc. Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things. Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all. These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work. All anyone can do is be more vigilant. TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended. Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence. Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram..... With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights. There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution. If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken. I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites. Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me. Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason. Well, the most obvious safeguard to having that happen is to create a window, or short length of time, where this 'scarlet letter' can be tagged onto the offending player. And that window is only triggered if the offending player Awoxes someone. EVE is based on a high-information era in evolution. If a person joined a corporation and then attempted to murder their CEO IRL, don't you think that person would then carry the implications of that action with them forever? Malcanis is right -- this is something of a loophole. If someone does something like this, in the least other players should know they did it before when recruiting them. EVE is supposedly built around this idea that actions have consequences. IE, you can fly your PvE boat into nulsec and get blown out of the stars and nobody is going to hand you another billion ISK ship. But the same thing should apply to social interactions. If you do something inherently underhanded for little cause other than lawls, the system should remember it.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 315	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:11:00 - [276] - Quote Mister S Burke wrote: My bad, you will have to excuse me, I'm American so I'm not used to censorship.
March rabbit Aliastra 519	Posted - 2013.02.05 15:12:00 - [277] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: ... Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. people say: Eve is all about consequences. For normal players it means: never trust anyone with goonswarm in history.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 138	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:43:00 - [278] - Quote lollerwaffle wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. lollerwaffle wrote: PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE. Anyway to pick apart your post: 1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious. 2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out. 3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR. 4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite. So you resort to name calling when you have no argument? How cute and original Although I don't feel any particular need to defend myself, it's more of a statement of opining than a 'name'.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 138	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:45:00 - [279] - Quote Eram Fidard wrote: TL. NPIR. Try somewhere else.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:49:00 - [280] - Quote Kanexus wrote: something happened like this when i first played...someone i met through local we talked for a few hours and he needed a corp i offered him the one i was in and to make a long story short he blew up my hulk while i was mining. i mean i dont get it myself we talked for a few hours seemed nice etc. i mean people realize that yeah they got you hahaha but they missed out on possibly great people to fly with...maybe even romances if one is a chick. i mean at least null sec and pirates u know what u getting urself into...what happened to you OP is just plain being an *******! This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I'm hoping that no one else will do the same thing.

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:53:00 - [281] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again. If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer? Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead. As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision? Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself. I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:57:00 - [282] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine. What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously. As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy". I shed no tears. My gameplay is not dictated by anyone. I don't remember calling anyone a moron, but it could have happened. Other than that, are you trying to make a point?
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange 932	Posted - 2013.02.07 00:59:00 - [283] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again. If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer? Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead. As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision? Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself. I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA. I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago. I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now. You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:04:00 - [284] - Quote Shawnm339 wrote: I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously I've worked with, and gotten to know a lot of people over the years. Thieves, murderers, pimps, drug dealers, wife beaters, child molesters . . . you get the idea. After three years in Eve, though, I have to admit that I have never seen so many dedicated sociopaths in one place before.
Kaethe Kollwitz 33	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:05:00 - [285] - Quote hi, I decided to just remove trust from the game entirely: dont let people into your corp, dont let people into your alliance - form a loose coalition using in game chat channels instead. read more here ITS NOT AN ALLIANCE. ITS NOT A CORP. ITS AN IDEA. CLICK FOR BRAIN FOOD-á
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:11:00 - [286] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Would you be underhanded while playing sports? Would you cheat in a FPS? Would you hack a different MMO? Would you be callous while playing a board game? Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all. 1. I never have been, and never will be. It's a sport. Not even a game. 2. I don't do FPS because it all sux. 3. No. 4. Board games are very personal. you interact with the other players. If you don't like them, why play with them?
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:14:00 - [287] - Quote Malcanis wrote: On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay. As stated above, a diligent search didn't show anything like that. Linky?
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:23:00 - [288] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: You lose not even a bill and turtle hard? really? REALLY? I guess it kinda depends how much fun you were having with other people although you post reads more like "I started a low tax corp so I could get tax of mission runners." rather than, I started a corp to achieve something. Achieve what in this cesspool? Run the galaxy? Move on to running the universe? I started a missioning corp because my miners are too expensive to use as pinatas.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:29:00 - [289] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago. I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now. You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad. If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread.
Sverige Pahis Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 1106	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:30:00 - [290] - Quote have you tried idk not mining and running missions

Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:33:00 - [291] - Quote Sverige Pahis wrote: have you tried idk not mining and running missions That would make me a little more like you, wouldn't it? That is not a direction I am willing to go.
Azazel Zorin Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 0	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:56:00 - [292] - Quote I think the real world is far worse than EVE. Bankers, corporations, media, politicians...cant trust anyone of them.
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange 933	Posted - 2013.02.07 01:57:00 - [293] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago. I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now. You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad. If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread. And this is why you are failing at EVE Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 02:06:00 - [294] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago. I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now. You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad. If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread. And this is why you are failing at EVE I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that.
Tallian Saotome Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange 933	Posted - 2013.02.07 02:14:00 - [295] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that. You obviously don't see it, or this thread would not exist. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Not Politically Correct Veerhouven Ventures 139	Posted - 2013.02.07 02:26:00 - [296] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that. You obviously don't see it, or this thread would not exist. I'm pretty sure that you are the one who doesn't understand why this thread exists.
Beki 250 Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.27 00:56:00 - [297] - Quote Two days ago, I was looking through corp recruiting ads, and saw one that looked plausible. They invited me into voice chat, and I thought it was reasonable to join. Today, my main corp, which I mentioned in voice chat, received a convo request from someone who turned out to be an extortionist. Oddly enough, the people I had been voice chatting with said they received an extortion note from the same corp, same character today. Naturally, they thought it was because of me. After I gave the corp name, and character name, of the griefer, their suspicions were allayed. Mine weren't. If you can't trust anyone, why join a corp? 11% tax is a bad thing, but better than losing an expensive ship. Yes. I can afford another one one, but why should I?
Fredfredbug4 The Scope Gallente Federation 461	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:09:00 - [298] - Quote Trusting someone in EVE is like finding a stranger on the internet and letting them have access to all of your stuff. Actually, it's exactly like that. I don't think closing the corp is the way to go about this. You've mentioned that you've made a lot of money and have lost expensive ships before. I'm sure you could handle your most recent loss. All you need to do is have a longer and stricter recruitment process. Do extensive background checks on every little detail of the corps they were in, and the character if possible (google is your best friend). Don't let them in on day one, anyone serious about really joining your corp will be willing to wait several days, even several weeks to join. Just make it so that getting in is hard but not impossible. Heck, you can even create a smaller corp just to hold the recruits for a bigger corp, that way they can't do anything major against you. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2531	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:20:00 - [299] - Quote Highsec corps make awoxing hilariously easy & fun. Over the weekend I joined 3 seperate highsec corps in the space of 2 hours & awoxed a whole bunch of mission runners. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.
Beki 250 Aliastra Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:21:00 - [300] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: Trusting someone in EVE is like finding a stranger on the internet and letting them have access to all of your stuff. Actually, it's exactly like that. I don't think closing the corp is the way to go about this. You've mentioned that you've made a lot of money and have lost expensive ships before. I'm sure you could handle your most recent loss. All you need to do is have a longer and stricter recruitment process. Do extensive background checks on every little detail of the corps they were in, and the character if possible (google is your best friend). Don't let them in on day one, anyone serious about really joining your corp will be willing to wait several days, even several weeks to join. Just make it so that getting in is hard but not impossible. Heck, you can even create a smaller corp just to hold the recruits for a bigger corp, that way they can't do anything major against you. The corp didn't close. It just . . . reformed. :)

Arox Dax Posthuman Society 10110001100111101000 35	Posted - 2013.02.27 02:50:00 - [301] - Quote Really?? 15 pages about some alleged missioner who got awoxed, got mad, kicked corpmates and whined on forums. Well trolled my friend, well trolled o7
Setaceous Nexus Prima 9	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:20:00 - [302] - Quote Arox Dax wrote: Really?? 15 pages about some alleged missioner who got awoxed, got mad, kicked corpmates and whined on forums. Well trolled my friend, well trolled o7 Two things happen on the Internet (and by extension, Eve): 1. People do bad things to other people. The reasons behind the bad things don't matter. They just happen because , when you get right down to it, people are basically douches when no one else is watching. 2. People like to whine and cry about those bad things. Even people that have been using the internet for decades and should have known better.
mentalkiller Galbadian Rush 17	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:36:00 - [303] - Quote Sorry you are Not Politically Correct /mentalKiller
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 5481	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:59:00 - [304] - Quote Posted: 2013.02.27 01:20 Mallak Azaria wrote: Highsec corps make awoxing hilariously easy & fun. Over the weekend I joined 3 seperate highsec corps in the space of 2 hours & awoxed a whole bunch of mission runners. Really? According to your employment record : GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.09.21 12:37 to this day. I know, the discrepancy must be due to TiDi. DMC
Ai Shun 886	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:09:00 - [305] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Really? According to your employment record : GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.09.21 12:37 to this day. I know, the discrepancy must be due to TiDi. Those little pictures to the left of a post aren't really people, you know. They are characters in a video game. A person can have multiple of those characters by having multiple characters on one account (Maximum of 3) or multiple accounts. Not sure you understood that, but thought I'd clarify just in case. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here
Beki 250 Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.28 02:28:00 - [306] - Quote mentalkiller wrote: Sorry you are Not Politically Correct Sorry, that account has been shut down. I spend a lot of time, ISK and effort on building my characters. I just don't feel like hanging them out, like pinatas, for sociopath's entertainment.
Beki 250 Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.28 02:31:00 - [307] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: Those little pictures to the left of a post aren't really people, you know. They are characters in a video game. A person can have multiple of those characters by having multiple characters on one account (Maximum of 3) or multiple accounts. Not sure you understood that, but thought I'd clarify just in case. To put it a little more forcefully: Character age and player experience are not related.
Oxalis Stricta Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 07:27:00 - [308] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread. Not Politically Correct wrote: Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Cruise launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Here's why your fit fails. Let's assume you are cap-chaining with logi, as you stated. Your fit deals 527 DPS without drones and has 85.4k eHP uniform with adaptive invulns. Passive tanks 109hp/s Here's a better fit. Cap stable with logi chaining, deals 604 DPS without drones, has more eHP and better resists to take advantage of your logi. Even comes with the unnecessary sebo. 98k eHP, 250 hp/s tank. Quote: [Raven Navy Issue, Spider CNI] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 100MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I In fact, that's not even a very good fit. Here's a better one. 96k eHP, 640 DPS and 350 hp/s tank without implants, and all for 530m. Quote: [Raven Navy Issue, BestRaven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Better DPS, better tank, and you don't need the mobility in a mission CNR anyways. Now tell me about your competent fitting skills
Bexar Ying Unit 479 0	Posted - 2013.03.20 03:05:00 - [309] - Quote Damage control? For what? I'm shield tanked. You got this off of BCL didn't you? More fool you. What you see on BCL is very shiney, and pretty much useless, except for impressing noobs.
Jay Kreutzer High Life Industries Fade 2 Black 1	Posted - 2013.03.20 03:33:00 - [310] - Quote Bexar Ying wrote: Damage control? For what? I'm shield tanked. You got this off of BCL didn't you? More fool you. What you see on BCL is very shiney, and pretty much useless, except for impressing noobs. yet another BCS isn't going to add that much dps, the shield resist from a DCU doesn't suffer diminishing returns. What else are you going to put in a low slot that's going to give anything comparable to that?

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8230	Posted - 2013.03.20 07:30:00 - [311] - Quote Jay Kreutzer wrote: Bexar Ying wrote: Damage control? For what? I'm shield tanked. You got this off of BCL didn't you? More fool you. What you see on BCL is very shiney, and pretty much useless, except for impressing noobs. yet another BCS isn't going to add that much dps, the shield resist from a DCU doesn't suffer diminishing returns. What else are you going to put in a low slot that's going to give anything comparable to that? A Drone Damage Amp. That 23% damage boost makes even unbonused hobgob IIs notably more effective at clearing out the small stuff. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Angelic Resolution The Arcanum 6	Posted - 2013.03.20 07:52:00 - [312] - Quote Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Bl dude, if it was real life with a real army, he'd have been shot and never been able to do it again. This is eve, live and learn. Don't forsaken everyone though because of one person being an utter tunnel ****. State his name in Crimes and Punishment, show the kill mail and you might just do someone else a favor before they let him join.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8230	Posted - 2013.03.20 07:53:00 - [313] - Quote Angelic Resolution wrote: Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah. Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good. Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase. Do you see where I am going now? I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes. It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result? All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that. 'Nough said. Bl dude, if it was real life with a real army, he'd have been shot and never been able to do it again.. Of course, if it was real life, then the OP would have been killed first and wouldn't be complaining about it here. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 5814	Posted - 2013.03.20 08:29:00 - [314] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Really? According to your employment record : GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.09.21 12:37 to this day. I know, the discrepancy must be due to TiDi. Those little pictures to the left of a post aren't really people, you know. They are characters in a video game. A person can have multiple of those characters by having multiple characters on one account (Maximum of 3) or multiple accounts. Not sure you understood that, but thought I'd clarify just in case. I understand just fine. That player never said his alt character did it and besides that, without proof his statement is nothing more than bullsh*t, much like most of your statements. Anyway, thanks for clarifying that your subtle troll is still obvious as hell. DMC
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 5814	Posted - 2013.03.20 08:40:00 - [315] - Quote Beki 250 wrote: Ai Shun wrote: Those little pictures to the left of a post aren't really people, you know. They are characters in a video game. A person can have multiple of those characters by having multiple characters on one account (Maximum of 3) or multiple accounts. Not sure you understood that, but thought I'd clarify just in case. To put it a little more forcefully: Character age and player experience are not related. Seems there's a lot of 'glancing' at various posted replies in this thread instead of actually 'reading' them. DeMichael Crimson wrote: Posted: 2013.02.27 01:20 Mallak Azaria wrote: Highsec corps make awoxing hilariously easy & fun. Over the weekend I joined 3 seperate highsec corps in the space of 2 hours & awoxed a whole bunch of mission runners. Really? According to your employment record : GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.09.21 12:37 to this day. I know, the discrepancy must be due to TiDi. DMC Nowhere in his statement did he say = "My alt character"..........


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