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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1760
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:44:00 -
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You know.... if you don't trust people to be in a corp with you.... form an alliance, put yourself in a protected corp... and have a separate recruiting corp to bring in people that you don't trust...
Alliance members cannot open fire on each other... only corp members can... |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
130
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:07:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.
The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from.
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
311
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:13:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.
The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. You have obviously never had the joy of letting a spy succeed only to allow PL to coincidentally come down on them. With a hotdrop. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3446
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:21:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.
The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. That is, of course, irrelevant.
In my country I have the right to vote. I may or may not choose to excercise that right, but I can recognize the fact that this right needs to exist.
You are operating using the same rules set as every other player. If you choose not to participate in some area's of the game that the rules allow for that is your right, however it is not up to you to try and insist that parts of the game you do not participate in cease to exist.
Your sucessful participation in this game dictates that you at least be aware of these area's and the potential effect they may have on you and govern your game play accordingly. If you choose not to go even that far then you must deal with the consequences.
You can, of course, express your opinion... however you should not expect to get much support for such a narrow minded and somewhat selfish point of view.
You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set.
Or you can seek a game more suited to your personal tastes.
That choice is up to you. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1246
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:34:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.
The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
This is the sense of entitlement and unreasonableness that drives some of us to talk about "high sec people" on this forum. You types don't really like EVE but can't figure out how to stop playing.
The bolded word is a perfect example. Non-consensual pvp is not a "problem", it is a a FEATURE and FOUNDING PRINCIPLE of EVE since day one. Hell, CCP is pretty much a real life company full of griefers and tear extraction artists
A wise game player tries a game, determines if he/she is compatible with the games core principles and mechanics (ie, is it fun to them), and THEN decides whether to stay or leave.
Not so for many a high sec player. Some come in with preconceived notions (one guy on this forum a while back said he came in expecting EVE to be a "realistic space simulator" and was disappointed that is wasn't L--O--freaking---L), some come with bad habits from other mmos, and others are just to....not smart... to stop playing a game they deep down hate "because it could be better one day and i don't want to miss out if it gets better".
Just about every one of those above could probably benefit from time with a real life mental health professional or Oprah Winfrey........ |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:41:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set.
One thing I've learned in this game is to avoid any advice that includes the word 'best'. I don't give people advice on in-game stuff, and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either. If I want to find out how something works, I try it. It's been working great so far . . . with a few exceptions.
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Parsival
Metafarmers
1
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:52:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: I don't give people advice on in-game stuff...
Thank goodness because you are obviously not very good at EVE. Everything from failing to fit a Raven properly to failing to run a corp properly points to this.
Not Politically Correct wrote:and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either.
If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
37
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:01:00 -
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Me. You can trust me. Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:17:00 -
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Parsival wrote:
If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.
In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have.
Just remember that conventional wisdom is for conventional people. And that 90% of what the 'experts' in this game tell you was never true even when they started playing. |
NARDAC
NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES Claimed.
18
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:50:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.
The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
It's like we're twins or something.
The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit.
I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for.
I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic.
Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker.
So, I quit the game again.
But, I got bored.
In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better.
I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them.
Anyway, try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to. |
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
166
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:26:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:I gave away all my stufz once. It's like we're twins or something. Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it. |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
255
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Posted - 2013.01.30 22:10:00 -
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NARDAC wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.
The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
It's like we're twins or something. The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit. I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for. I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic. Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker. So, I quit the game again. But, I got bored. In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better. I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them. Anyway, try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to.
Oh god, CAREBEARS!
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Winchester Steele
A Perfectly Normal Corp.
82
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Posted - 2013.01.30 22:56:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?
Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?
It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1202
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:29:00 -
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I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:29:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:NARDAC wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:I gave away all my stufz once. It's like we're twins or something. Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it.
I know the names of all 14 of my alts. He isn't one of them. Same experience, same game, is it possible that there is a trend here?
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:31:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?
Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?
It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two. The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one. Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.
Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:40:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them.
Let's see. Services provided:
1. 2.5% tax rate. (I don't need any more ISK.) 2. 20% shield boost, 10% shield resists. 3. 36 Hi Sec Level 4 agents to run missions for. 4. Ships and fittings if they need them. 5. I don't tell them what to do or when to do it. (Kind of makes their actions consensual, doesn't it?) 6. Voice comms. 7. No mandatory corp fits. They fly what they are comfortable with.
But I guess you are right. I don't provide anything for them. [irony]
EDIT: Dammit, I forgot
8. Free freighter service. 9. Free Orca boost for ones who mine in their spare time. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1695
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:50:00 -
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Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia.
Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:08:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia. Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party
No, but I have considered emigrating to Oz.
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Nessa Aldeen
The Sword and The Shield
8
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:31:00 -
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Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship".
Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner.
Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other.
Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon.
On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship? |
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:56:00 -
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Nessa Aldeen wrote:Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship".
Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner.
Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other.
Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon.
On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship?
I've stated my reasons above. Yeah, it was dumb, but I was the one on the bleeding edge.
As a CEO, there are a lot of decisions I don't want to make, but, if I don't someone may get hurt.
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Parsival
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2013.01.31 03:58:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Parsival wrote:
If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.
In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have.
Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:13:00 -
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Parsival wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Parsival wrote:
If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.
In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have. Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy.
As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.
Sympathy? I don't need that either.
What I intended was a public service message. Ever heard of those?
BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character? |
Winchester Steele
A Perfectly Normal Corp.
82
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:42:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.
The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.
Not Politically Correct wrote: Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.
Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts.
Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend.
(Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth) |
Parsival
Metafarmers
2
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Posted - 2013.01.31 06:48:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.
So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'?
Not Politically Correct wrote:Sympathy? I don't need that either.
Attention then.... whatever
Not Politically Correct wrote:BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character?
Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
224
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Posted - 2013.01.31 09:35:00 -
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If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.
Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.
Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.
Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.
That simple.
Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.01.31 11:04:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.
Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.
Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.
Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.
That simple.
Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO.
That's pretty bad advice. If your only accepting people you know in real life then your corp will never grow. Your problem is that you are giving everyone director role. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
133
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:31:00 -
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Parsival wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.
So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'? Not Politically Correct wrote:Sympathy? I don't need that either. Attention then.... whatever Not Politically Correct wrote:BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character? Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob
The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.
I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.
I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
446
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:58:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.
Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.
Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.
Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.
That simple.
Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO.
So you play an internationally available MMO only with your personal friends and their personal friends. What a brilliant policy. |
Parsival
Metafarmers
2
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:36:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.
I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.
I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.
I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon
Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing.
2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say? |
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