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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:16:00 -
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Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
254
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:21:00 -
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Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
This was just perfect. I quite enjoyed it, would read again. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:30:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Lesson learned: never accept an app from anyone who has had affiliation w/ goonswarm in the past.
Harsh rule, sucks to be them, but they chose to fly w/ goons in the first place and should know what that means when they joined.
People use clean neutral alts to do these things, too. Can't catch everyone. |
Lechert
Orion's Fist Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:31:00 -
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Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
goonspiracy. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
300
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:55:00 -
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Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more! |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
60
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:02:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.
To summarize, for anyone who may want the TL:DR version (narrated as from the author's point of view):
"A goon applied to my friendly help corp, and told me he wasn't a goon anymore. Having played Eve for many years, I understand that nothing is more reliable than a man's word in eve, and accepted him into the corp on that. Through some twist of fate that I do not understand, he blew up my navy raven. My world has come to an end. I am disbanding everyone from the corp and will never help anyone ever again."
Really dude. You knew better, and yet you still invited the guy to your corp. Suck it up, and move on. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
60
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:05:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it.
Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old.
I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.
I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him." |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1195
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:09:00 -
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Wait a minute OP let me see if I get this straight:
YOU make a mistake, and so you kick everyone from your corp because of the mistake YOU made. This says a lot more about what you think of your corp members than you would like us to believe (oh yes, the selfless helping CEO).
If you're not prepared to face your mistakes and learn from your failures, you have no place in this game long term. I don't understand why the rest of your corp members have to be punished. Give the CEO title to someone else, get your stuff out, and leave. But disbanding a corp due to an awoxer? Not only is it a little childish but that awoxer must be laughing very, very hard now. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
259
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:15:00 -
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Tad of an over-reaction there imo. If he's ruined your entire corporation, as well as your trust of those that have shown their loyality, then you're just making him win even more. I can already seen the Goon bloke boasting about his single kill that brought down an entire highsec mission running corp. Pretty much a badge of honor for guys like that.
This sort of thing is the plague of ALL corporations. The bloke that did it in my coporation was able to steal a ****-ton of ships from our SMA, totaling far more than your single mission ship. I took it as a lession that EvE is full of dicks. But far be it for me to throw out all my members, it just encouraged me to beef up my security, and be super-paranoid regarding recruitment.
Don't let the fool get you down. Rise from the ashes of this defeat, and strive to make your corporation better than ever! |
Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:33:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it.
Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old.
I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him."
Hrm.... I don't know. Maybe the whole point of EvE is that you don't trust people by default.
The OP is simply reaffirming whate most people know which is that you simply don't trust people by default.
Also, isn't this thread a week old that you're replying to? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
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Parsival
Metafarmers
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:16:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:Test them with lower hanging fruit....
That fail-fit CNR was low hanging fruit |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
300
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:22:00 -
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Is it a bad sign if I make more per week than ops ship manufacturing and was considering bringing in a 3day old who tried to kill me in lowsec? I sent him to RVB as he wanted to fight, and the email I got from him seems to indicate he is very happy with the thought. Well that and the 10 mil. Or is it a sign I am comfy with loss and am looking more into the community side of EVE? |
Ckra Trald
Remnants of Retribution
48
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:30:00 -
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You were killed by a Goon Awoxer? You must have missed out alot. http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-29403-050932f3063c3c.gif If you fial, try again
If you flel, try again.
Try as much as you want, you'll still... faill? |
Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
419
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:46:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.
Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.
Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.
Do you see where I am going now?
I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.
It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?
All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.
'Nough said.
Wish I knew who the goonie was, I'd like to thank them for trying to preserve the true spirit of eve-online.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3334
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:47:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more! "Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. " Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
6
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:49:00 -
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I find it odd that corp mates can kill each other with impunity. Yay for griefing mechanics.
If it's meant to be so corp mates can duel each other, then perhaps make it so a corp mate can never do a killing blow on a corp ship.
Call it a duel mode perhaps.
Someone else would have to, or someone would have to leave the corp or get kicked from it. Which in high sec would mean possible Concording. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
142
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Posted - 2013.01.16 17:26:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now. You could have, you know, taken out a 200mil BS to run a mission with the guy a few times, test the waters so to speak, see how he does with the corp, planned a few ops with fairly cheap ships to try and rat him out until you felt he was safe. Now, though, you're going to blame Goons for the paranoia you should already have as a CEO, which is hilarious.
For the love of Pete, yes!
I never risk pricey missioning ships with anyone. No lvl 4 mission requires more than me to run. Bringing someone along just hurts your isk per hour and quite dramtically as well.
If I do take new toons along, I do it in a cheaper ship. I will take new toons out with me from time to time to help them out. However, a toon over several months old? No way. Waste of time even if they are sincere.
High sec is best done solo. Get out to Null if you want to work together and have comradrie. Seriously. Null sec is quite fun and can't really be done solo :) |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
301
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Posted - 2013.01.16 17:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Richter Enderas wrote:never trust GOON
all GOON do is make money for RMT....
we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......
THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???
u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member. That being the key difference. The Goon is a horrible thing. The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry. That is the difference. One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction. Now bring on the bounties! I want some more! "Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. " Pretty much plus if I do something nice like say run jump freighter or cap building the greifing is less likely so long as I do it for the right people. That and they tend to be in it for fun as well so that is always a plus. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:04:00 -
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1. OP flies HML CNR (Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Siege and Cruise Missile Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise Missile Velocity per level of skill )
2. OP dies. (trust actually not important on this point)
3. Darwin's theory of natural selection lives on, in virtual form.
If you lack the common sense to fit a ship according to it's bonuses, you deserve to lose it.
The fact that OP thinks his fit is irrelevant and that trust is the issue here just adds to the hilarity of the situation.
I'll clue you in, OP: Try learning the most basic, simple 'rules' about the games you play...maybe then you won't do such stupid things. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
48
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:58:00 -
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I still don't see where this is coming from.
The CNR was Cruise fitted. Doh.
The member had been in the corp just long enough to fly 18 jumps. I kinda thought he might be ready to go.
I was actually testing spider capping, and hadn't accepted the mission yet. That might explain a lot to people who have played for a while.
We all know, now, that there are no ex-Goonies.
I do not fly BCL Approved ships. Many of my ships are named 'Not BCL Approved'. I fly what works for me. That ship had been successful for months. No repair bills and all missions completed. What more do you want?
I still can't understand what the ship or the fit as to do with it.
As for my poor, dis-respected ex-corp members? Many had left a few days before because of a war dec. They didn't want to follow the rules. The others? Trial accounts and people who didn't produce. Sorry. No loss there. I did keep 2.
You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy.
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Ildryn
Xiloite
69
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:08:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:My CEO is an ex-Goon from the BOB days, guess that's why our corp is only RL friends.
How did he become CEO of a noob corp? CURRENT CORPORATION University of Caille [UC] from 2012.10.27 03:32 to this day |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
48
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:09:00 -
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Needmore Longcat wrote:His raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Who is 'He'. Mine wasn't equipped anywhere near like that. Look above. |
dexington
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:15:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:994 million ISK down the tubes.
Learn to love your ship blowing up, and don't fly something you can't afford to lose...
On a long enough timeline everyone lose their ship... GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
68
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:29:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Rain6635 wrote:show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread.
Terrible fitting. Heavy missile launchers on a raven? GTFO. Fit cruise missiles. Also, lose the tracking range script. It doesn't exist. Targeting range will work better. |
Sorlac
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:55:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I think everyone's missing the point... he claimed to have made a lot of isk mining. This is clearly a troll
Its really all about opinion; to me 100 mil is a lot of is which I easily make mining no problem. Main reason why it's a lot to me is because I don't have a lot to spend it on so then I'll do silly things with it like by combat ships that sit in station collecting dust.
So you can easily make "a lot "of isk mining if you don't need much to begin with. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
48
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Posted - 2013.01.16 23:50:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Rain6635 wrote:show me your 1 bil navy raven fit please. Why are you so insistent? Do you want to be able to tell me it is a bad fit? I don't really care. Rigs: 2X Large Field Purger 1s. 1x ( some type of Calefacation module.) Highs: 7X Caldari Navy Heavy launchers 1X Large Regard Energy Transfer Mids: 1 X 100MN T2 afterburner 3 X Large T2 Shield Extenders 1 X T2 Mission specific shield Hardener. 1 X SEBO II with Tracking Range Script Lows: 3 X Power Diagnostic IIS 2 X Caldari Navy BCSs Now, please keep your opinion of the fit to yourself. It won't have any effect on me, and it has nothing to do with this thread. Terrible fitting. Heavy missile launchers on a raven? GTFO. Fit cruise missiles. Also, lose the tracking range script. It doesn't exist. Targeting range will work better.
My mistake. One of the reasons why the ship was so expensive is that the launchers were Caldari Navy Cruise. And you are right. It was a targeting range script.
So STFO about the ship and fit.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
275
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Posted - 2013.01.17 21:38:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy.
Sure. Let's talk about how you euthanized these poor little clones before they could even grow out of hisec then. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
275
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Posted - 2013.01.17 21:39:00 -
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*accidental double post plz delete sry ISD* |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2092
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:46:00 -
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I just noticed the OP's name is "NPC"
but anyway, try looking up the in-game item "Ship Fitting Guide" the raven thing is a running joke from years ago.
Here is the question though....aren't people in real life equally capable of distrust? It's something you earn, as much in EVE as with real life. This is how people can trust each other in EVE.
As for some other points, yes, inter-corp combat is allowed, including podding. CONCORD ignores all of it. A mechanic made to allow for corp members to practice combat on each other as well as evil infiltrations such as this. This mechanic is something you should have heard about in your 3 years of playing and is very likely going to be a running criticism to the end of this thread.
You also say that this thread is more of a warning to people to not make the same mistake, correct?
The problem here is that EVE already has a notorious reputation for having the potential for backstabs. Any one who spends a little time researching EVE's past will know this before they ever join. Not only that but you're essentially in place where you're trying to tell firefighters to not put water on a grease fire to which the firefighters respond "well no ****".
And lastly your knee-jerk reaction is going to get you made fun of from here to hell and back. You essentially took that grease fire metaphor I just made and dumped out all your oil and declared that no one should ever cook with it ever again. You're over reacting and look like an idiot doing so.
Your logic is essentially "We'll since this well-known-to-be-unreliable-oil caught fire I'll never use oil to cook with ever again". No, just be more careful about how you pick.
As for people requesting your ship fit it's essentially them asking about which pan you cooked with. By flying a "shiny ship" (in this case a CNR with 7 faction launchers) you become more susceptible to be targeted as people want to steal the very same modules that make it so valuable. To fit this into my analogy it's like using a pan too small for meal you're trying to cook and you're saying "What does the pan have to do with anything? Oil is bad regardless" . No, setting yourself up to get burned is. Take better precautions and learn more about the game so you can cover your bases.
Carry a metaphorical fire extinguisher, use better cooking oil, handle it better, and get a proper sized pan (or only use the smaller one if you're sure).
Translated to EVE: Don't give them roles in the corp so you can kick them the second anything hairy happens, be more selective about who you choose and what you let newer members do, and don't flaunt an expensive ship unless you're around ell trusted people, keep a cheaper but still effective ship on hand when working with people you don't have full trust with yet. The Drake is a Lie |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1641
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:57:00 -
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It's funny, the one ex-Goon we let into our wormhole coalition didn't steal billions of ISK from us, he managed to lose billions of his own ISK by getting his carrier and all his alts welped.
I guess he kinda messed up our killboard efficiency, though, so there's that, right? Mane 614
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