"i decided not to scout ahead, they must be tossers".
honestly, grow up.

why shouldn't they shoot you? they didn't know if you were here to kill their buddy, had valuable cargo, etc. you seem very upset considering you say you aren't.

don't think someone has to be upset to point out that low sec gate camps keep a lot of high sec people in high sec.

don't think someone has to be upset to point out that low sec gate camps keep a lot of high sec people in high sec

What ships where they in?
What system was it?
Was it the transitional gate from high to low?
Did you check map statistics for the route in advance?

The reason high-sec dwellers tend to think gatecamps are EVERYWHERE is because they naturally find their way to low sec from a hub system and end up jumping into the most notoriously camped systems as a result.

OP food for thought.

While it might be midnight your time for them they might be still waking up and slurping the coffee.
For all you know they could have been waiting on another target and you had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
For that matter maybe there friends where mining in the belts or doing something else in system and it was there job to guard it.

or maybe they really didn't have anything better to do.
At least they weren't hanging out in station.

As boring as gate camps are they only had 3 ships and they were willing to PvP in low-sec.
Nice going guys/ gals.

Gate camping the obvious gates is pretty fruitful, it seems.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

I was on my way to the Christmas event with newbie ship and foolishly thought I would cut half of the travel distance by taking shortcut through lowsec. I ran into a gatecamp, about twelve strong, and my Ibis was blasted to small bits. Fine, no problems, it wasn't ship I was using much anymore. Then I got message from the Comedian-In-Charge: I would have to pay 75 million ISk or they would pod me. As my character is about month old, and I haven't spent any money on PLEX (and I have spent ISK as it has come), the demand just made me laugh. In fact, it paralyzed me with laughter to the point where I failed to heed to the order to stop and thus they promptly podded me. I did get to the event with another ship, so there was no harm done. I am just warmed by the thought that low-sec has such enterprising comedy groups.

don't think someone has to be upset to point out that low sec gate camps keep a lot of high sec people in high sec.

Sounds like somebody found Old Man Star. Somebody who evidently is more mad than they claim to be

There might also be a chance he was using auto pilot as his only loss is a pod worth 41 mil in a system called Parts.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday...

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

Confirming that everyone plays in the same timezone as you. Most likely the same town even.

Angry scrub with delusions of entitlement detected.

3/10

While it might be midnight your time for them they might be still waking up and slurping the coffee.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

Very good. But there is only one problem.

I am not sure if I want to have anything to do with people who are dumb enough to think they can get 75 mil ISK from a 1/mo char. I mean, WTF?


I don't even want to play the same game as people that stupid. Don't want their tard-cooties on me.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

People in highsec lack experience in dealing with these kind of things. Anyone who has lived in 0.0 for a while develops habits and behaviors which allow them to function in the area of space they live in. Namely- assuming every gate is camped whether intel shows so or not and having plans already in place with how you are going to react.

These things become second nature to 0.0 pilots and when we go through low sec its actually astonishing how much easier it is to move around from the simple fact that you cant use bubbles, cant aggress on gates unless you can tank the sentry guns and realistically the only way to get caught on a gate in low sec is by being asleep at the wheel, a number of high scan res, sensor-boosted insta-lockers, smartbombers, or just plain old lack of experience. Like what happened here.

All in all, business as usual

You went into the dangerous part of the game on your own after 1 month of playtime, ignored the blatant warning and died as a result of your own stupidity.

In WOW you would have respawned a short distance away with everything you had still on you. That's because WOW is for toddlers and lazy un-intelligent gamers. No risk at all, and just enough mouse clicking to keep you awake enough to eat burgers and jack off.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

I'm pretty sure this has happened to every single new EVE player, and will continue to happen to every single new EVE player. It's just part of the deal.

I, however, persisted...because I like spaceships. I don't know if I've ever mentioned that...but just to make things clear, I like spaceships. :3

Well, the tossers are at least a little smarter than NPC drones, and more predictable (hence the low population).


Now, there are many ways to deal with this, and you will learn these ways eventually if you bother to do so. Surely you will be made fun of for your post, and may choose to try again, or not. Your prerogative.


I blame the gate mechanics more than anything. The only reason why you can get three players sitting on a gate in the middle of nowhere on a Saturday night, is because of gates. Also, "middle of nowhere" can still be what I like to call a "gank pipeline". So while there is nobody out there for the most part, a lot of people passing through.


For a while now I have made, and will make once more, the argument that gates and the mechanics around them, such that favors this type of "having nothing better to do" gameplay (which is crap game for BOTH sides of the interaction, BTW) is what forms a "Great Wall of Carebear" around highsec. There are bears on both sides of this wall for while low sec has players who kill everything that moves for no reason (and then comes to the forums to complain about the low population in lowsec) , further out there are intel network and campers to ensure that the nullsec systems, most of them deserted, remain so that lone ratters in carriers can do so without interference.

(Having used wormholes to get to deep null, I have seen lone carriers ratting - you know who you are)


If ships could dial in system to system like in some of our favorite sci-fi movies, we would see the entire playing field open up. The gate camp is replaced by the combat patrol and those who can't run scans and hunt for their prey while semi-AFK will have to find another game.

Whether such capability is done by module or whatever, is not the topic. Certainly if by module, then the fleet that uses gates to have that extra combat module may have an advantage over the fleet that used the warp drive module (or whatever they call it). So it's not like the precious gate camp will be lost to all those leet PVPers.

It never hurts to try in a dedicated gate camp. For every 10 that pass through maybe 1-2 will have the 75million isk to pay you. That less than one month character could be an alt, it could be someone who bought plex and sold it, they could just be good at this game and have a bit of cash to splash. Heck depending on who is camping you have a small window of negotiation and might let them drive the price down and you still get isk out of them as well as the wreck for cargo, modules and salvage.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

I was warned, I read all the reports, I am not surprised or shocked. I had just hoped things weren't as bad as everyone made out. Perhaps it was just bad luck and 9 times out of 10 I would have been fine. But I doubt it.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

...
For now, my answer to you is you shouldn't have been there in the first place. There are plenty of areas and pursuits in EVE for a new player to experience without swimming with the sharks.
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But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

...noob to make this complaint...

...a lot of tossers playing this game...

...I was warned...

...I read all the reports...

I was on my way to the Christmas event with newbie ship and foolishly thought I would cut half of the travel distance by taking shortcut through lowsec. I ran into a gatecamp, about twelve strong, and my Ibis was blasted to small bits. Fine, no problems, it wasn't ship I was using much anymore. Then I got message from the Comedian-In-Charge: I would have to pay 75 million ISk or they would pod me. As my character is about month old, and I haven't spent any money on PLEX (and I have spent ISK as it has come), the demand just made me laugh. In fact, it paralyzed me with laughter to the point where I failed to heed to the order to stop and thus they promptly podded me. I did get to the event with another ship, so there was no harm done. I am just warmed by the thought that low-sec has such enterprising comedy groups.

I would think a lot of people don't really understand the PvP in EVE.

New players are small fish in a big sea full of sharks.

New players lack the skills (trained) and the experience of playing the game so players that have played for a long time have a huge advantage in PvP

I think you don't understand pvp either but instead you are repeating carebearmyths. I am a 2006 player and i regularely get killed by younger players. How is that possible if that what you said is true?

Younger by how much though? Players less than 3 months or 6 months or are you talking of 0.0 blob warfare?

As for repeating carebear myths, I'm not doing that although I've heard a lot over the years. I've been around in one form or another since 2005.

I am talking about smallscale pvp with less then 5 ships involved where others are just better, i do a mistake or where i just get outplaned. If you would be into pvp you would have known that this happens pretty much everyday. Sure i won't get killed by a 3 day beginner but even a 2 week old pilot in a blackbird can be problematic sometimes.

Btw. you evaded my question.

Buried on page 3, but:

We're basically in a catch-22 here. If CCP does something to curb random, stupid ganking, it will **** off the older players, fundamentally change the game, and the vets will leave.

If they keep things the way they are, most new players will quit after short trials, because it's too cut-throat, and the game doesn't grow.

I have no idea what the solution it, but somethings going to give eventually.

Buried on page 3, but:

We're basically in a catch-22 here. If CCP does something to curb random, stupid ganking, it will **** off the older players, fundamentally change the game, and the vets will leave.

If they keep things the way they are, most new players will quit after short trials, because it's too cut-throat, and the game doesn't grow.

I have no idea what the solution it, but somethings going to give eventually.

It's utter bullcrap for a space game to have that primitive traveling solution of developers-seeded pre-made deathtraps network instead of player-based exploration system. Not going to visit low/null until gate camps mechanic will be removed from the game - I'm not interesting in gameplay with 100% chance to lose ship.

[quote=Dorian Wylde]Every attempt CCP has made to curb the bottom feeding has failed. There is no easy answer. If there was, they would have done it. I think we all know EVE will never break a million. The core of the game is 10 years old and while the timers to travel give it the optic of large, the number of real intersect points per system make EVE very small. It's just too easy to grief.

It's utter bullcrap for a space game to have that primitive traveling solution of developers-seeded pre-made deathtraps network instead of player-based exploration system. Not going to visit low/null until gate camps mechanic will be removed from the game - I'm not interesting in gameplay with 100% chance to lose ship.

Buried on page 3, but:

We're basically in a catch-22 here. If CCP does something to curb random, stupid ganking, it will **** off the older players, fundamentally change the game, and the vets will leave.

If they keep things the way they are, most new players will quit after short trials, because it's too cut-throat, and the game doesn't grow.

I have no idea what the solution it, but somethings going to give eventually.

This isn't a catch-22, its easily solvable. CCP needs to give more incentives to be in player corps so more people will be in them. With more people increases the likelihood that there will be someone knowledgeable in the corporation that can teach the newbies how its done. It'd also help if there were a way for those proven newbie teaching corps to advertise better or get some kind of bonus.

This^^. Someone opened up an advertising feature idea in the Assembly Hall at some point, that would be perfect with this. If there were some kind of in-game mechanic orientated advertising, new players wouldn't have to be browsing the forums, or actively looking for a corp to some way see that there are better alternatives to an NPC corp.

Just pointing out that last year WoW lost well over a million subs and EVE is the only MMO to still be growing after 10 years.

It's utter bullcrap for a space game to have that primitive traveling solution of developers-seeded pre-made deathtraps network instead of player-based exploration system. Not going to visit low/null until gate camps mechanic will be removed from the game - I'm not interesting in gameplay with 100% chance to lose ship.

This isn't a catch-22, its easily solvable. CCP needs to give more incentives to be in player corps so more people will be in them. With more people increases the likelihood that there will be someone knowledgeable in the corporation that can teach the newbies how its done. It'd also help if there were a way for those proven newbie teaching corps to advertise better or get some kind of bonus.

[quote=baltec1]

Blizzard is blizzard, CCP is CCP, both are great and provide entertainment for millions of bitter arrogant nerds.

But thereGÇÖs one game thatGÇÖs perplexing analysts as it not only is surviving using a paid subscription model, but thriving. That would be CCP GamesGÇÿ EVE Online, the space combat simulator which recently announced that itGÇÖs broken 450,000 subscriptions for the first time in the games ten year history.

And if the mechanics allow them to scare off new players, then 40k peak numbers is all there is going to be.

That's pretty much true. Unless something changes in a significant way, the game will continue to stagnate.

One of the things CCP could do is remove the jumpgates and allow ships to jump by themselves from system to system. Bam. Suddenly, no gate camps, because there are no gates, a ship can jump in anyplace in the system. Buuuut then all the bored gatecampers will ragequit. They won't HTFU, oh no, that's a one-way street. They will all ragequit or shoot a statue in Jita. After all, why bother flying around scanning and hunting if you can just camp the gate and have people come to you? And it's not like CCP can afford to lose these subs. So nothing ever changes, and the game just keeps on stagnating.

And this is just one example where one group's gameplay (gate campers) supercedes another group's gameplay (everyone else). Yes, there's ways of dealing with camps, but it requires friends, or alt account, or extra time, or all of the above. Something a lot of people aren't willing to do, or don't have time for. So they end up paying for it often enough by getting popped. And many/most see it as fair. And in a way, it is fair. However, this also leads to cancellations. And that leads to a relatively small population, and significantly less income for CCP, which translates into less new things for us, which leads to even more cancellations from people who just get bored to death of the same old stuff. And the cycle continues.

People laugh at "EVE is dying". And they have a right to, because it's been here a good long while. However, I would say the game is most definitely stagnating. We haven't had any record shatters in a good long while. The concurrent user record set a year or more ago is still there. We're still at roughly 450k subs, most of those are alt accounts. If there's any growth, it's likely due to alt propagation, so it's not real growth. And this is after three expansions in a row focusing exclusively on FiS. Perhaps it's time to start branching out into WiS and actually get the Incarna content to a usable state.

That's pretty much true. Unless something changes in a significant way, the game will continue to stagnate.

I know I'm the millions noob to make this complaint. But not fussed.

I see barely 40,000 players online on weekends and half that number during the week.

One of the oldest, and I would have to say more interesting, MMOs seems to be stuck with low numbers whilst new comers like WOT etc grow substantially, the old rivals like WOW and LOTRO go from strength to strenth.

I've been playing a month and I couldn't put my finger on why.

Now I know.

Look, I took the bare minimum equipment with me and I was flying in a Vexor that I could afford to lose so I'm not bitter about the loss.

But on my very first time exploring outside high sec, the fact 3 idiots are spending their time at midnight on a Sunday next to a jump gate in a 0.3 sec system in the middle of nowhere and have nothing better to do than take out a crappy vexor in 3 shots then podkill the owner means there are clearly a lot of tossers playing this game.

I'll keep playing for a while but all those whining that hi-sec should be nerfed should know why no-one goes null sec. I suspect most of us are more than happy to leave to tossers to their onanism and we'll fly space ships for fun instead.

the first few experiences in lowsec pvp go a bit like this:

1. You are being locked.
2. You are now in an egg.
3. Go pay for a new ship.

Ugh. We have a bunch of pirates in Cynabals in our favourite system that believe ganking scrubs on a gate, the same gate, all day, all night, is the epitome of leet peeveepee