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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.06.07 22:45:00 -
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This is for an article for the 'diplomacy table' that's stickied in this forum and is also accessible through the link in my sig.
I wanted to know if there's anyone / anywhere i can get some information on Venal from? Thanks.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.06.07 23:12:00 -
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if you have the patience ill poke around in KIA chat , someone of them wroted a post bout it and maybe stil has the link .
as for old venal history it should be easy , as for GNW history its gonna be a biatch...
coz everyone and their mom claim victory and declared em dead .. imo ...
a mixture of RKK and original PA corps should give you best line of history .
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qtip
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Posted - 2005.06.07 23:26:00 -
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DBP wrote a pretty decent RKK-history, you can view it here:
http://www.reikoku.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=13
Some chapters of it describe the GNW and also earlier other happenings in venal.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.07 23:38:00 -
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********s knuckles and mummbles :Here comes the Pain!!***
Ok the original alliance in Venal was the VA (venal alliance) it was formed with RKK,JF,Bladerunners(?),TTI and some other corps which names I REALLY can't remember atm.
But then Evol came up,Homo got shot,Molle got mad, war broke out if I remember correctly,so VA vs. FA,that came to close then M3G4 came up after being hired by Ragnar former CEO of TTI and they fought and finished off the VA. VA kicks TTI,TTI joins CA eventually,Ragnar flys Apoc off into the sunset(awwwww).
Now the NVA is formed Oberon,Rona,KIA and Terra Nova join old VA corps and NVA is made. M3G4 breaks up and reforms to the south the Forsaken Empire,with FE corp,huff tech,Crice Corp,Space Invaders,Killer Clowns From Outer Space and a few others.
FE continues its campigne against NVA for the sheer fun of it. NVA sustains heavy losses and the betrayal of Terra Nova which resulted in I think 35 BS lost by NVA. NVA cut a deal with FE,ditch JF and FE will call off its attacks. So Jerhico Fraction is kicked by NVA.
JF and RKK both leave NVA, RKK leaves in protest of Jade Constantines treatment in the NVA. NVA reforms under the Title of the Pheonix Alliance. By now FE has fallen apart and their sister alliance in Fade was left all alone by itself. Then started the RSA war which saw the combined forces of all the northern alliances getting together to invade Fade. RSA fell to its Northern neighbors.
After this a period of peace ensued. Many of the old FE people joined PA after earning a certain respect for their old rivals. Some join Cyberdyne Industries one of the older corps in PA and one of the larger ones as well. The most controversial member to join CDI was a former commander of FE named Havocide.
Havocide and some cohorts reputedly shot down ships in the region of Pure Blind and raided Fade which by now had signed a Mutual Defense pact with PA called NAST (NOrthern Allies Security Treaty) wich included
the Coalition of Deklein,Fade Union,New Outer Ring Allied Democracy (NORAD) and Unicor.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.07 23:39:00 -
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********s knuckles and mummbles :Here comes the Pain!!***
Ok the original alliance in Venal was the VA (venal alliance) it was formed with RKK,JF,Bladerunners(?),TTI and some other corps which names I REALLY can't remember atm.
But then Evol came up,Homo got shot,Molle got mad, war broke out if I remember correctly,so VA vs. FA,that came to close then M3G4 came up after being hired by Ragnar former CEO of TTI and they fought and finished off the VA. VA kicks TTI,TTI joins CA eventually,Ragnar flys Apoc off into the sunset(awwwww).
Now the NVA is formed Oberon,Rona,KIA and Terra Nova join old VA corps and NVA is made. M3G4 breaks up and reforms to the south the Forsaken Empire,with FE corp,huff tech,Crice Corp,Space Invaders,Killer Clowns From Outer Space and a few others.
FE continues its campigne against NVA for the sheer fun of it. NVA sustains heavy losses and the betrayal of Terra Nova which resulted in I think 35 BS lost by NVA. NVA cut a deal with FE,ditch JF and FE will call off its attacks. So Jerhico Fraction is kicked by NVA.
JF and RKK both leave NVA, RKK leaves in protest of Jade Constantines treatment in the NVA. NVA reforms under the Title of the Pheonix Alliance. By now FE has fallen apart and their sister alliance in Fade was left all alone by itself. Then started the RSA war which saw the combined forces of all the northern alliances getting together to invade Fade. RSA fell to its Northern neighbors.
After this a period of peace ensued. Many of the old FE people joined PA after earning a certain respect for their old rivals. Some join Cyberdyne Industries one of the older corps in PA and one of the larger ones as well. The most controversial member to join CDI was a former commander of FE named Havocide.
Havocide and some cohorts reputedly shot down ships in the region of Pure Blind and raided Fade which by now had signed a Mutual Defense pact with PA called NAST (NOrthern Allies Security Treaty) wich included
the Coalition of Deklein,Fade Union,New Outer Ring Allied Democracy (NORAD) and Unicor.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:25:00 -
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Cont. version 2.0
Unicor had fallen and its surviving corps retreated to Pure Blind to rebuild. Unicor then worked with CoD and Fade to rebuild and protect eachother against the PA fleets roaming through venal,fade,pure blind and dek.
After this the Ex-members of NAST withdrew from the war and retreated back to their homes to lick their wounds while certain former NAST members left their old homes and went to join m0o and Evol forming the
Band Of Brothers!
PA recalled its entire fleet and resolved to make one final push to defeat BoB but this was to no avail. Again despite opening sucess the PA fleet was tired and worn down Tenal had fallen firmly into BoBs hands as had all the stations in Branch even its crowning jewel BKG fell to BoB. This pitched went on for four more months till BoB finally left to pillage other alliances.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:30:00 -
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sorry for the lengthy post,mix match do whtvr u want with the threads in front of you i just told u what little i remember cuz im drunk half the time and another fourth of the time im passed out at the keyboard.
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:49:00 -
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Impressive post ^^
/me waits for the geeks with links to arrive !
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.06.08 00:50:00 -
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Pretty accurate and not biased.
Good lord that was a lot of fun though.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.06.08 06:59:00 -
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Al LIES I tell you.
The north has always been a happy place where people live together in peace and harmony. They smoke weed all day and sing happy songs while blowing up guristas and veld rocks.
Thers nothing to see here.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.06.08 07:30:00 -
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I say go for it Blacklight. We've got the fall of Curse written down which I thought was a pretty good story. We really need the GNW written down before people forget all the details. Plus it's good reading for new players :p.
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Ragib Fapdzija
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Posted - 2005.06.08 09:03:00 -
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aj drajving fap makinja in pa. is smoken big from teh auspuf. than i traj to zgaziti jade wit maj fap makinja and than my tajers blow up.... sorry is this engrish motherboard??  |
Cochise
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Posted - 2005.06.08 09:26:00 -
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IMO the right way to write this story is for 3-4 people from all sides to cooperate. I have started gathering info and have an outline from the point of the NVA to present. I also have all the NVA and PA forum archives or at least most of them. The archives thus lead to posts here and on other boards. I also have all the chat logs from in game as well.
I sure think if done right this would be a very good story to tell. It has been a strange trip indeed, and IMO is a huge part of Eve and its story line. I am willing to help out if anyone else wants to do this at some point.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.06.08 10:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Ragib Fapdzija
aj drajving fap makinja in pa. is smoken big from teh auspuf. than i traj to zgaziti jade wit maj fap makinja and than my tajers blow up.... sorry is this engrish motherboard??
Ne iskljucivo...znas, postoje ljudi koji te razumiju. Ajde budi frajer i reci tko ti je main! 
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2005.06.08 13:32:00 -
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As a side story to this it would be nice, if possible, to hear from the people involved if Reikoiku's presence in Deklein during the first Evolution war had something to do with RKK and Evol becoming friends.
If that is true what kind of help did RKK grant Evolution during that conflict? Giving Evol safe passage through Deklein into Branch? Or acting as middle men in the hauling of war materials?
I think, if anything like this happened, now is the time to let the public know, as it would be hardly surprising. It may shed some light on the reasons why tensions grew between RKK and PA.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2005.06.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Wasn't the first Evolution war against VA, instead of PA?
Let's call it first Evolution-PA war then?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Kronarty
MLM and CELES joined PA and were in PA until the first Evolution war.
Wasn't the first Evolution war against VA, instead of PA?
Yes, I covered that in my account. And re the timing of the JF booting out of the NVA prior to the PA founding. There was an awful lot of talk about a pact between the FE and PA on the table if JF were booted. Crice and whatever Dirty Harry's original player was called would know better. Back in those days JF actually hosted the NVA forums so a lot of this stuff was common knowledge. Ultimately though nobody's going to agree on who the real villains were so Blacklight's suggestion of including both sets of contradictory accounts where contradictions exist is the only sane policy.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Wasn't the first Evolution war against VA, instead of PA?
Let's call it first Evolution-PA war then?
And by that, do you mean when Evolution attacked PA to help RKK at the start of the GNW?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Wasn't the first Evolution war against VA, instead of PA?
Let's call it first Evolution-PA war then?
And by that, do you mean when Evolution attacked PA to help RKK at the start of the GNW?
No he's talking about Evolution hitting PA shortly after PA formed (in Jan/feb 2004) - that was the one where Home Erectus came to venal and got shot or something and PA fought Evol for the first time.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
No he's talking about Evolution hitting PA shortly after PA formed (in Jan/feb 2004) - that was the one where Home Erectus came to venal and got shot or something and PA fought Evol for the first time.
Oh right. My mistake.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kronarty
As a side story to this it would be nice, if possible, to hear from the people involved if Reikoiku's presence in Deklein during the first Evolution war had something to do with RKK and Evol becoming friends.
If that is true what kind of help did RKK grant Evolution during that conflict? Giving Evol safe passage through Deklein into Branch? Or acting as middle men in the hauling of war materials?
Just travel and office in deklein, we gave PA corps the same deal, other than that no other help. This was the time that RKK and Evol became friends tho
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:48:00 -
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To me, the lesson learned in the war was the PA failed to apply proper force against Evolution corp, failing to recognize the severity of the threat. We had the great opportunity to defeat the most powerful PvP corp in game, and claim our rightful place, and this was not taken seriously.
Furthermore, the various corps should have realigned under central command much earlier. While I feel the war strengthened the alliance by burning off the fat, the failures of both the political leadership and military command (BKG anyone?) at the same time caused many good members to leave the alliance. And, judging from what I've seen most recently, the mistakes made in the past are to be repeated.
The recent power struggles within the PA prove conclusively to me that there is nothing worth saving left, and I wish some of my friends would see this now. Without a strong, moral leader in command, the PA has once more fallen into the hands of the mob.
I bear no love for Evolution, nor Reikoku, nor for any of the traitors of the NAST, or the bandwagon groupies that followed on seeking a share of the spoils. No, I am merely disappointed by the repetition of the same mistakes, and the constant failure to improve at any opportunity.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2005.06.08 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Yes, I covered that in my account. And re the timing of the JF booting out of the NVA prior to the PA founding. There was an awful lot of talk about a pact between the FE and PA on the table if JF were booted.
Yes, afaik FE proposed a deal to NVA (actually much more than a NAP) but NVA discussed it internally and decided against it I think in an unanymous fashion.
After JF was booted and PA was formed these discussions were not restarted, the NAP that happened a few weeks later was caused mainly by the Evol-PA war and stayed as a NAP, not an alliance or a MDP or anything else, it was a simple no-shoot policy.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kalast Raven
To me, the lesson learned in the war was the PA failed to apply proper force against Evolution corp, failing to recognize the severity of the threat. We had the great opportunity to defeat the most powerful PvP corp in game, and claim our rightful place, and this was not taken seriously.
That's not entirly true. There was a pretty decent sized group of us that realized this and stayed up in branch to fight the hard fight through out the entire war. We didn't do too bad either. |
KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 08/06/2005 19:05:14
KIA got empire decced by CoC after we joined the VA. I'm not sure they even killed any of us in empire cause we pretty much hid from them in all honesty. They had battleships and we were still in ospreys. KIA very very much noobs at this point (even more so than we are now ;)).
Kicking Jericho had nothing to do with peace with FE or any crap like that, noone liked Jade or Miso and we were fed up with Jade posting, and we didn't want free space, it's simple as that. After the chat logs from Jericho corp chat, Jericho made a big issue about people spying and how we were such bad alliance members for letting it happen, whilst we were more concerned with the log's content.
The very original cause of the RKK/PA breakdown that I can identify, is when CE killed Nafri whilst flying an RKK tag. PA tried to resolve this by telling CE to sort it out, but RKK members just basically started slagging off the PA, including R-K which had excellent relations with RKK at the time (we even shared joint ops channels until we were slagged off in there as well). Funnily enough DB Preacher was the one who tried very hard to keep relations good, but there was nothing we could do about it in the end, it had blown out of all proportion at this point. Some RKK members (Bosie springs to mind) and PA members just kept stirring trouble, to the point where there was nothing we could do about it and war was inevitable way before it happened.
Anyway, CDI did some bad stuff and we went ballistic at them and said stay out of tribute etc or you're out of the PA. CDI broke the sanctions (Krullz himself did this before Havocide, I know this for a fact) and instead of letting the PA act, RKK brought Evolution up. There was basically no legitimate excuse for RKK/Evolution to attack the PA, it's just what they wanted to do, which is fair enough. CDI would have been kicked out on the spot but they decided to just attack us all without warning, at which point we just said stuff you then we'll stand by CDI.
Anyway war went on, lots of blobs, camping and general boringness. Evolution always had an amazing ability to be able to stay in one system quite happy for months which wasn't our idea of fun, so we left the PA, simple as that really. It got very very boring and much to much hatred and crap. Also, the north is laggy as hell, the whole place is just broken, I hate fighting up there.
So yeah, no deals were ever done with FE until well after the beginning of the Evol war, RKK and Evol attacked for giggles instead of letting us sort things out, PA did some things wrong like CE killing Nafri and CDI being norty, but the PA actually tried to work these things out to the point where Halseth voted to kick CDI out.
That's about it really. I've been involved in pretty much every major decision in the late NVA/PA, so I think I'm qualified to know what went on.
As for Dek, Fade and their stuff, well as far as I'm concerned they just swallowed anything they were told by Jade, but I can only give my opinion from my side of the fence. Everything apart from that I know from facts.
I'm just glad to be out of a territorial alliance all said and done, it's too much hard work, guarding rocks is not fun (this is the reason millenium and celest left), and you can't be watching your alliance members all the time.
This is the 20th time today, I've written this post btw, and sod it, it's getting posted this time.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:08:00 -
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Eversor u might as well put me on the list as well.
Alex and Robeyone both quit the game,DBP is still recouping from E3 from what I hear and I am bogged down working this summer so it will be hard to catch me. Also add Phonix to the list.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 08/06/2005 19:12:19
Eversor u might as well put me on the list as well.
Alex and Robeyone both quit the game,DBP is still recouping from E3 from what I hear and I am bogged down working this summer so it will be hard to catch me. Also add Phonix to the list.
And as my misguided Padawan Persephanie stated GODS did put up a in BKG.
P.s. Lord help me im being nice to GODS whats next me and Persidio dancing,singing and holding hands.
/me shudders
ty Lucian. From the sounds of things I was starting to think people forgot we were even involved in the GNW. I got promoted to padawan? sweet.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:27:00 -
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Persidio would be a good one to talk to he did see everything go down in BKG but another one would be Omniwar or Stavros.
And yes Perseph you are my Padawan just remember the first rule keep ur hands off Vlad and Left they are part of MY harem!!!!
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Ragib Fapdzija
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Posted - 2005.06.08 19:37:00 -
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to atranadis
pa znam da nas ima zato sam tak i postenovo 
neg ovaj hoces li svratit na pivo kod mene i da ti pokazem fap-a ?
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2005.06.08 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Znaei
You are right Halseth, Jade was involved. But his part in CoD's decision was very minor.
You obviously don't know the whole story, otherwise you would know that by "woman" he doesn't mean JC.
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