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Cannibal Kane Chosen of New Eden 1186	Posted - 2013.01.03 06:23:00 - [31] - Quote PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy, nor peace, nor solace for those who bear witness to these Signs and still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 Convert now
Ris Dnalor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 416	Posted - 2013.01.03 06:36:00 - [32] - Quote Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. in eve, carebears take risks too. Sometimes they don't realize it at first... but they do. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961 EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody - Qolde
Lipbite Express Hauler 554	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:23:00 - [33] - Quote Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one ... ? I've installed Planetside 2. As for EVE - I joined good WH corp. And then returned to hi-sec because WH space was too boring and scanning was like 50% of whole "high risk" activity (+ 50% PvE and 20-30 minutes of pure PvP weekly).
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 248	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:05:00 - [34] - Quote I tried hisec PI and it sucked. I then tried lowsec PI by making a deal with an Alliance for good Standings and thus better PI taxes. I felt like I discovered a secret goldmine most carebears didn't even dare to touch! I used the funds to buy pvp ships and have some fun. Lowsec PI will let you waste some frigs, dessies and the usual cruiser without thinking to much about it. PI doesn't make huge amounts of ISK but it's easy and doesn't require much input, just some planning, so it's a good way for newbies to raise some ISK for PVP.
psycho freak Snuff Box 216	Posted - 2013.01.03 10:03:00 - [35] - Quote Wasnt peaicefull player to start with tbh day one loged on wow this looks sweet fast look at tutorial warped to belt again wow this looks awsome hmm what is that i see locked it shot it themm boom im in a pod and again wow this is amazeing was eve adict from them first few moments in game 3 days later i was liveing in losec couple weeks later was in null sec in my trusty thorax my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k nop cant find it
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3609	Posted - 2013.01.03 10:21:00 - [36] - Quote Started EvE because I felt I became too old to play twitch based PvP games, so EvE was my "retirement game" where I'd "craft in peace" and "never PvP again". After about 2 weeks I was in Dark Rising shooting people in Old Man Star. Then I had RL (nasty work hours) issues so I had to quit all my MMOs (I have about 10 subs running for the MMOs that are still "pay to play") including EvE. These days I live in Jita's NPC null sec, that is the markets. Tomorrow, who knows? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Borlag Crendraven Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 197	Posted - 2013.01.03 10:30:00 - [37] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one ... ? I've installed Planetside 2. As for EVE - I joined good WH corp. And then returned to hi-sec because WH space was too boring and scanning was like 50% of whole "high risk" activity (+ 50% PvE and 20-30 minutes of pure PvP weekly). Your definition of a good corp needs checking.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1772	Posted - 2013.01.03 11:10:00 - [38] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started. Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

killorbekilled TBE Initiated 182	Posted - 2013.01.03 11:11:00 - [39] - Quote Care bear'ed - got bored Pvp'd - got broke Care bear'ed - got rich Then i took a break and all the isk i had went on plex for my hibernation oh and now im back trying to strike a balance between the two :)
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad 195	Posted - 2013.01.03 11:57:00 - [40] - Quote there was a time.... EvE was a different world years ago (back when we walked to school 8 miles in the snow etc ) I had done the trial and gotten blown up in a reaper in a 0.4. I tried hauling and got ganked by Tiller trying to slowboat the 15km to a gate in low. Then i moved to derelik. I stumbled upon someone mining which seemed like a good way to make some cash, got talking to him, joined his corp. At the time you could realisticaly get away with mining in low sec and we struck an agreement with local pirates in a 0.3 not far from Doril to let us mine in peace. Some pilots were outside the local sphere of influence however. I forget the guys name but he was in a corp called Ascendo Tuum with 2 other pilots one of whom was called 'Helen'. This guy would occasionally show up and blow someone up. At this point in (well certainly in my) EvE history a battleship was an expensive bit of kit. I got sick of this dude and engaged him during a mining operation. We had 2 mining fit battleships and a mining fit battlecruiser. It went the way you would expect. so I decided: if you cant beat em join em. I pestered my way into Ascendo Tuum but they folded days later as its plots moved on to bigger things. I returned to my birth system and one jump over I found miners. I flipped their cans. A pilot from a corp called 'suicide girls' engaged me and I blew it up. The buzz was unreal. I then solo roamed low sec in various crap fit caracals and Feroxes picking fights. The multispec ECM was a massive help in this as you could take on maybe 3 pilots solo and cycle your ECM to escape or limit damage, break webs and scrams. I won a fair few fights. During all this time EvE was changing. Fights in low sec invariably ended in 5 or 6 ships arriving to take on my 1 Eventually I stumbled into Bosboger and started a fight with a local pirate from a corp called Vale Heavy Industries. The name was misleading as Vale were pirates. He won the engagement but asked me to join his corp which I did. I spent many happy years with Vale. We formed one of the first pirate alliances - the Molotov Coalition. Steadily targets in low sec dried up. Vale moved into mercenary work and also did a stinit in TDE as part of a null alliance. Eventually i sent a emo message to Vale along the 'thanks for all the fish' lines. That was an epic corp. Ever since then I have largely operated solo trying to recreate my hayday in EvE. I find it ard to see the point of doing anything except player vs player combat in EvE but my niche disappeared a long time ago. There was a time. qfmjt-1

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 6805	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:09:00 - [41] - Quote Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. I was bout 10 or 12 weeks old, I was focusing on my brand new Drake, I felt like I was ready because I wanted to do it. You want to do it: therefore you're ready. The only realy qualification for a "risk taking" playstyle is the desire to take risks. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Bubanni ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 627	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:15:00 - [42] - Quote Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. My first pvp experience was about 3-4 months after I started playing, I took a Harbinger from high sec to low sec and got killed by a frig :D this was long ago... I had been convinced to join a high sec corp that was mission and research... I regret this to this day... as people like that are very risk averse... I now have the most fun ever, flying around in expensive frigs zooming around huge fleets that would kill most people :D, best feeling ever Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
Otrebla Utrigas Iberians Iberians. 37	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:32:00 - [43] - Quote What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode? I can farm in 5 days enough money to loss in PvP for a few months. Mostly because I prefer to fly cruisers and frigates, and the most expensive thing i have ever lost was a Caracal Navy. I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??" And I found a nice place to spend my money :)
Aracimia Wolfe The Cursed Navy 141	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:35:00 - [44] - Quote Made account, Trained for a rifter joined BDEAL. Straight into null. I kinda miss it. I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 548	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:54:00 - [45] - Quote NPCs don't send you hatemail when you blow them up, nor do they rage. I never did much pve but when I decided to make a pirate alt "just for fun" i soon found him to be way more entertaining than my then main. It's a game, not a job. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Christine Peeveepeeski The Imperial Fedaykin 215	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:18:00 - [46] - Quote For a year I was an out an out high sec carebear. I had trained for mission and POS industry on my first charachter and was making lots of isk but with nothing to do with it. So I started a new account for *** and giggles, a thrasher pilot back when they had a -25% ROF penalty. Also jumped in rifters of course. I then spent 6 months learning to hunt and pirate. The pvp kind of just came with the territory but it was primarily focussed on me jumping on plexers or FW mission bears in the eugidi constellation. I still missioned but it was out of turnur (even had a large POS in there producing a ** tonne of drones). I realised there was a gaping hole in my practical knowledge in pvp, namely taking on people that could fight back (although I wasn't bad at this, I just knew I could improve). So I asked a person that had blown up my first loki if there was space in his corp and I'm still in it now. I literally shiver at all the time I spent in level 4's bored off my face. Now, even when I am doing PVE it has to be in WH space or low sec simply because its dull as hell otherwise. Also, top tip... fit for pvp even if you are pve'ing. At the very least have escape routes....
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1096	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:25:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started. Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad. And that willingness to get out there and take the risk, to actually LOSE (and get back up and do it again) is the best tradition of EVE gaming imo, it's really what separates the wheat from the chaff.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1096	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:34:00 - [48] - Quote Oxxe Radak wrote: I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. The best advice you'll ever get is make friends, All the Titans in EVE aren't worth one good friend who has got your back in a fight...preferably in a scimitar :) . For me it took almost a year. I started out like many do, as a mission runner, and i'd heard so many bad and scary things about "out there" (low/null sec, there were no wormholes yet) that I determined that i was going to "get to a certain lvl" before I left high sec. Had a lot of fun getting from my 1st drake to my 1st Raven to my 1st Navy Raven and being able to steam roll missions. In that 1st year I dabbled with pvp 3 times. My 1st death to a player was in low sec, a dude in a Brutix blew me out of my rifter then gave me some ISK for my troubles. A corp mate of mine (I joined a mission running corp after like 2 months of playing) was friends with some guys in BoB and they invited us to roam with them. We ended up in a skirmish with IRC and the 1st killmail I was ever one was an IRC Deimos. In that Fight, a Carrier warped to the gate we were fighting on, it's was my 1st time seeing a capital ship. It was great, but it would be another 3 months before I got into :real" pvp, that was when Faction Warfare was introduced to the game. That really did it for me, I've been in pvp corporations ever since then and have gotten to shoot people all across New Eden.
Meita Way My Hat is Made of LOVE 82	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:35:00 - [49] - Quote I got bored. Dumped my old character that ran missions and went into the odd fleet fight, and legged it to Curse. I've never really left since then. It's much more fun running stuff to sell around 0.0 than anything that ever happened in highsec. And it's perfectly possible to do it solo! As long as you don't mind exploding from time to time :) And you'll make lots of friends, especially if you're kitting out random alliances war fleets :)
Complex Potential No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 147	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:38:00 - [50] - Quote Wow, that's going back a way. Back to 2006 I think. After my first few weeks of playing around in high sec I was already fairly bored with the notion of running missions or mining which seemed to be basically all I could do. I was seriously considering uninstalling Eve before the trial finished but I had a nagging feeling I hadn't seen the best this game had to offer. I went into the recruitment channel and basically just said I'm a noob and I want to join a corp, any takers? I got a bite from this crazy guy called Griff who had just started up his own corp called "Perfect Order" and who had big plans for becoming a properly feared group of pvpers. He was recruiting a lot of noobs so he could train us the way he wanted. In my first day in corp chat he said that if he spotted anyone in a noob ship he'd pod them himself and then went on to give each of the new recruits 1 million ISK which was like a fortune to me at the time. I couldn't believe how much money the guy had handed over and I was like a kid in a candy shop in when I danced over to Jita to buy a proper frigate. Over the next few weeks Griff introduced us to teamspeak and taught us how to fit up (and fly) fast ships for tackling with strict rules that these were the only pvp type ships we could fly until we got more experience. The more senior guys always flew the bigger ships like cruisers and the occasional battleship. We war decced other small corps around us to gain experience and we started to get pretty good. This was almost all done in high sec. Eventually we expanded into low sec roaming, following similar rules which essentially made us pirates but Griff also implemented null sec ninja ratting corp activities to mitigate the sec losses where we'd sneak a secure container into a quiet null system and scout our way there. Although I was flying a Merlin I could deal with the pesky NPC frigs while griff dealt with the BSs in his Raven with others running loot from the wrecks to the cans and others still keeping watch in the adjacent systems. I loved doing that because in an hour I could make more isk than in a week on my own. Eventually I became a senior member in Perfect Order but I tended to stick to tackling since I had a knack for it. Of course, a senior guy like me had to have some status symbol so I upgraded to an interceptor and took on the role of teaching the tackling ropes to the new guys. Since then I've run solo in low sec, started my own pirate corp and also joined and fought for various null sec alliances but I learned most of what I know from that crazy guy on TS who got drunk and jumped his group of outlaws into a 0.5 system. Perhaps I'll organise a group of ceptors to go hammering through low sec again for laughs. Writing this has made me pine for those old days.

Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 156	Posted - 2013.01.03 13:40:00 - [51] - Quote Otrebla Utrigas wrote: What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode? ... I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??" I share your view. However there're people having fun in stockpiling resources and money, so the ISK capital is for them the meter of their game progression. Nothing bad in this, it's a gamestyle legit as any other, and have to be respected (mostly consdering it's the gamestyle of the larger part of playerbase). It's the nature of sandbox games: everyone can decide and set his ingame goals.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 1048	Posted - 2013.01.03 14:00:00 - [52] - Quote I got involved in faction warfare because Caldari players annoyed me. Kept on going, went to pew in low, joined a few nul alliances, got bored, went back to nul for a year with the best Corp I ever joined with the best people I ever flew with before some PvP zealots joined and screwed it up. Since then, I stayed in high and watched as the Eve community took a turn for the worse in terms of the "us vs them" mentality. More zealots showed up and I just got jaded. The community wasn't the same community. It went from being about fun to just abusing carebears, and I wasn't cool with that. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1817	Posted - 2013.01.03 14:02:00 - [53] - Quote My first few weeks of Eve revolves around running missions, then I jumped into incursions. During that time, the concept of active pvp scares the crap out of me, lowsec sounds like this creepy place where death is inevitable, nullsec sounds like hell filled with "bad" guys. So I was, in many ways a total carebear at the time, complete with all the denials involved when people asked me to do pvp, I always came up with excuses from "not ready yet", "it's not my thing", "pvp is stupid", "I play the way I want, you can't force me" etc., but the truth was simple, I was scared and I know for certain, alot of carebears use the same arguments now just as I did before. Jumping into pvp, for me, it was, accidental. A corpmate of mine in the Uni kept bugging me to try out lowsec, that was around my fifth or sixth month into the game, so I did, just for the sake of proving it to him that I can do it if I want but I just don't. Then after my first experience of the rush and adrenaline, I was, addicted. I had literally spent every single day in lowsec at the time, for a few weeks, completely disregarding my wallet and every other pve stuff I used to do before. Then I joined Test, and haven't turned back since. I still do pve stuff though like many others, but honestly, ever since I moved to null. One thing I realized that this is Eve, this is what it's all about. This IS what the game was designed for, the stories, the politics, the conflicts, the community, actions that affect other people way across the Eve universe. I can now say "I was there" on many things I've been in on. That's my short story. How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE!
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front 132	Posted - 2013.01.03 14:09:00 - [54] - Quote Love the thread, brother. Good stories. For me it was about two months after starting the game. I had been mostly a miner up to that point, except for tagging along with a few large PvP fleets as an extra tackler. I logged in one day and saw that a fleet was forming, so I asked what it was about. I was told, cryptically, that they were going to camp. I said, "ok, whatever, I'm game," and went along. Turns out, the plan was to occupy a nearby lowsec system and live there for a week or two. A couple of days into this experiment, our people were scattered around the constellation ratting. I heard over comms that one of our guys was in a belt 1 jump away and being attacked by a Myrmidon. I jumped over in my Rifter, warped in and tackled. For a couple of minutes I orbited him like this while he hammered on my friend in his Drake. Then our fleet showed up and took him down, just after I was popped by drones. The whole time my heart was thumping, it was the first PvP engagement I had been in where there were less than 40 people in my fleet. That was the day I decided that whatever else I did in EVE, I was going to be a PvPer first, and anything else second. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
Hedion's oracle Shark Enterprises 21	Posted - 2013.01.03 14:28:00 - [55] - Quote Join FW or low sec pirate corp, you;ll see more fights in a day than you'll see in null in a week, null is fail right now. hell, you'll see more fights in empire too Error: Working As intended
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 58	Posted - 2013.01.03 14:41:00 - [56] - Quote I think you can start with PvP quite soon, there's just one thing to keep in mind and that is that you can afford what you (might) lose. As long as your financial state is healthy, and you earn more than you'll loose during PvP, you're good to go... The best way to get better at PvP (and thus get more kills, while getting killed less) is to do it. Your own experience is way more important than the experience (or SP) of your character. Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188954&find=unread
Oxxe Radak Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:18:00 - [57] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: 1) Edit: If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo. If OUCH are still taking people they are a good place to start (http://ouch.artofwar-alliance.com/). Just want to thank you for providing me with the corp, I've joined and it's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Cheers.
Fasturian Icildentirf T.N.T ORE Industry The Irukandji 1	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:34:00 - [58] - Quote I started PvPing inside my first month because my RL friends who were playing Eve at the time were mostly lowsec pirates. They had been miners but got tired of being the gankee. While I am still horrible at PvP, it is PvP battles and wars that i have won and lost that provide my favorite memories in this game.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:47:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started. Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad. You're lvl2? -whaaaw ! I'm still lvl1 = terrible
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 117	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:59:00 - [60] - Quote Quote: If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo. There is no such thing like solo PVP. Inside mining barge, true story



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