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Oxxe Radak
COF Security Holdings
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:16:00 -
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I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?
What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?
I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Black Legion.
398
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:19:00 -
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1) Joined a PVP corp / group 2) Went on a roam, killed some stuff and got blown up. 3) Loved it; didn't look back.
I hadn't been playing that long really. I got blown up in Providence while ratting and I was like... "Hey, I want to be the dood that blows people up".
I don't remember much about feeling ready for it or like it was any big jump. Just kinda went out with some people and attacked stuff for ***** and giggles.
Edit: If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo. If OUCH are still taking people they are a good place to start (http://ouch.artofwar-alliance.com/). The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
891
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:19:00 -
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You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.
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FDIC Agent
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
36
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:24:00 -
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go to unknown space if you want a to be risky. everywhere else has the crutch that is local channel. |
Oxxe Radak
COF Security Holdings
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:24:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.
My view of carebears are those that actively seek to avoid any type of confrontation, mainly seeking to immerse themselves in non-agressive tasks excluding NPC killing. In a sense yes, I understand what you're saying and I do agree with it. |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:24:00 -
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Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.
Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.
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Oxxe Radak
COF Security Holdings
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:27:00 -
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Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.
Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.
That's actually a good point. I'm not specifically looking for people that made the transition and stuck with it, i'm more interested in the actual point in time when a person decided to engage in agressive PvP. |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:30:00 -
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Oxxe Radak wrote:Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.
Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.
That's actually a good point. I'm not specifically looking for people that made the transition and stuck with it, i'm more interested in the actual point in time when a person decided to engage in agressive PvP.
About 6mo of initial skills and asset building for me. I wanted to make sure that I could rat/mission enough to keep me in ships for Pvp. Note, this was 6 years ago, way before PLEX and etc.
I ended up getting a second account to training an empire alt for income making for my Pvp main.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:32:00 -
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It took me a good half a year playing before I started intentionally getting into fights. It was around that time that I realized that other players are the content in this game, and that content was pretty much limitless and far more fun/engaging/stressful than anything "PvE" in this game. Fighting alongside friends is fun, so is solo roaming, and the occasional balls-to-the-wall kamikaze kill whatever's on the other side of this gate attack gets the blood pumping.
Lately I've been using my hauler alt to roam high-sec belts, stealing stuff to gain a flag; fairly low (IIIs and a few IVs) skills for combat but still very viable and fun. You get a fight here and there, win some, lose some, it's all good. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
510
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:34:00 -
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You can pvp in frigs and have a good time, sp just gives you more options. Isk is more important then sp, you are going to loose ships, and you need a way fund your pvp.
Save up enough isk to fit 10-20 ships, and keep you isk making ships in hi-sec, then just start flying around low-sec. Get in some fights, loose some ships and see if you like it or not. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
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Sab Sab Five
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:39:00 -
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I don't get to play much due to work, started the game in December of 2011. Mostly i worked up to a mission boat so i could earn some isk and learn the game.
I started FW during the summer months (july, i think) and began to realize how crazy and committed some of the people were who were doing the killing. Learning builds and purposes in fleets was fun. As i said i only have time here and there to play lots, i havent been able to completely immerse, as i would like too.
Mostly i guess, you just need enough money to build some ships, go cheap at first. and you are ready. Like any game, the pvp will turn often to the more SP'ed player, but as you get the hang and skilll up you will begin to see that frigate and destroyer pvp in Low Sec can be lots of fun, and there are complexes that only allow certain ship types so that your frigate won't just get eaten all the time...
What drew me in was the more exotic gameplay of pvp in space. What frustrated me was the time i needed to allot to it (i could easily log on and run a mission, salvage it and earn isk in an hour after work, but roaming low sec with others incorporates wait times on all to be ready, moving through roams takes time, looking for plexes that aren't always in the same places, etc etc... low sec demands more time to succeed).
It is amazingly fun, however, to roam around and hunt players. In fact its fun just plexing even if you have no intention of fighting, just the paranoia makes it interesting.
Make DScan your friend and learn to use it, never fly what you can't afford to lose, and keep a few ships (cheap-0 frigate fits, like incursis or Merlin) fitted in your home area so that you can jump back into the action ASAP. Oh yeah, and jump clones are nice, so you lose your implants on your main bod. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
316
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:46:00 -
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Oxxe Radak wrote:I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? Simple. I just did it. Sure, I had to screw up my courage a bit, but I've found that it's just a matter of code-switching. In Hi-Sec, you behave one way, in Lo-sec, another, in Nul a third way, and in W-Space yet a fourth way. The only way to internalize the rules in each area is to go out, get blown up a few times, and figure out how things work. (Hint: Take cheap ships at first.)
Quote:What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? Truthfully, PVP is not my focus - But I understand that PVP can happen at any time, and I'm ready for it. I've initiated it, I've reacted to it, and I've run from it at times. Oh, and I've died a few times, too. ;) PVP is just one of the 'facts' of existance. The sooner you get past the worry of being popped, the sooner you'll be having fun.
Quote:I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. You'd be surprised what you can do in a well-fit Kessie or Merlin. Especially the Merlin. ;) When I'm looking specifically for trouble, you'll find me in a bomber or in a Merlin. Neither are particularly demanding to reach good fitting levels.
Join a corp - EVE University, perhaps - to learn the ropes and get some support.Or Join the Bombers Bar and train up your steath skills... It's just pixels, you're not going to bleed if you get podded... Go out and get some!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Lexmana
812
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:51:00 -
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Two weeks old I wen't to lowsec in my arbitrator. It took 10min to kill a BS belt rat. But the bounty was almost a million so I was excited. I lost a few ships in lowsec but I also learned ma lot - some directly from the friendly pirates that ganked me (in private convos). I even got ships gifted to me.
A couple of weeks later I decided I wanted to go to Stain and packed my Harbinger with stuff (you never know what the market looks like down there) and went on my 50 jump trip through nullsec. Didn't make it and was podded back to empire. Tried again three times - plenty of bubbles and dramiels on the way. The fourth time I made it all the way. Most exciting trip I have ever made - i even managed to escape a couple of camps. I lost my Harbinger to an Arazu with fiends a day or two later. But it was an exciting journey well worth the effort. I got to see bubbles :)
I'd say just go but make sure you have already lost your ship and a few spares mentally before you go. You won't regret it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
316
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:52:00 -
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dexington wrote:You can pvp in frigs and have a good time, sp just gives you more options. Isk is more important then sp, you are going to loose ships, and you need a way fund your pvp.
Save up enough isk to fit 10-20 ships, and keep you isk making ships in hi-sec, then just start flying around low-sec. Get in some fights, loose some ships and see if you like it or not. This. ^
When I first sarted joining Nul-roams, I bought a stack of Kessies and fitted them more-or-less identically. Disposable hulls - I bought them already knowing that they would each and every one of them burn. Oddly enough, I still have two of them left, much further down the road...
That model has worked well for me - Each new class I skill into, I buy a stack of 'em, and go about trying them out in varous ways, expecting that some or all of them will go down in flames. Knowing they're just scrap looking for a place to happen takes a LOT of the stress out of flying them. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1147
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:00:00 -
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Oxxe Radak wrote:I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?
What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?
I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.
I got fed up of dying. I knew that I didn't know how to fight or fit ships. So I figured I'd join a nullsec alliance. Throughout the past year I've made friends, learned a lot of tricks and improved my killboard quite a bit. I'm by no means an "elite PvPer" now, roughly a year later. But I'm often at the top of the killboard for my corp/alliance every month. I still lose ships, everyone does. I still make mistakes. But now I have more of an idea what I'm doing, and an inkling of what I did wrong.
But most important of all, I have a great deal of fun.
However the term care-bear is very appropriate. At one point you have to stop "caring" about your ships and your shinies. If you are worried about your stuff, you'll be so busy fighting your adrenaline rush that you won't be paying attention to what you are doing. Become an emotionless, cold hearted bastard, and you'll win many fights. After all if you die you die, it's only another ship, another pod, another set of implants. Everything can be replaced except your skill. And combat doesn't take away your skill (unless you fly T3's or forget to update your clone). So you really have nothing to lose. |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:14:00 -
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I belonged to a quiet mining and industry corporation in high security space, then we joined a fairly large local alliance. Sooner or later, somebody smacktalks in Local, and alliances go to war over it. The first wardec came when my character was a few months old.
I started tagging along with small allied fleets as they looked for war targets or roamed through low-sec and null-sec after pirates, basically just listening to orders from the fleet commander and shooting when he told me to shoot. I learned a lot that way, bit by bit.
I also scouted around the the neighboring regions in a cheap frigate searching for the enemy, spent a day with a couple other pilots unsuccessfully defending an allied POS. learned quickly how to set up better defenses for our own corp's POS, and sometimes my "friends" used my Retriever as bait while cloaked combat ships waited to pounce on anyone who attacked me.
I was never at the top of the killboards, but I did build lots of ships and ammo, so everybody was happy. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1384
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:36:00 -
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Kind of a loaded question because they aren't exclusive terms.
I easily take risks, and have lost billions because of it, but i've never really had any motivation to PvP, which would qualify me as a carebear under some peoples definitions.
The transition to 0.0 as a 'carebear' isn't that problematic. After they get there they're even safer from unwanted PvP than they would be in hisec. Just keep an eye on local and scurry away when a stranger appears. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:37:00 -
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Two words: Faction Warfare. Come join us :) Aideron Robotics is hiring for the Gallente Federation war effort! https://www.aideronrobotics.com/wiki/Applying |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
282
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:55:00 -
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real men pvp in capsules |
Darth Khasei
Sunstar Business Ventures Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:01:00 -
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Respect.
I think it is great when someone decides to do combat PVP in EVE.
As a Merchant of Death dealing in all the goods of combat warfare I wholeheartedly endorse these kinds of player interactions. I see the combat as the lifeblood of EVE and only wish more players would interact in combat warfare.
Adhering to this goal, I have stocked your local markets with replacement goods at reasonable prices so that you can easily get back to the action when things have gone south in an engagement.
For those unlucky capsuleers that have the unluck of being podkilled, you need not worry as I have included most of the most commonly used/desired implants in the markets as well.
RIP VILE RAT o/
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ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:09:00 -
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I went to RVB after 2 months, didn't like it that much so left and went to Gal Militia. That's where I fell in love with pvp. This was before it was a cashcow.
Now I blob and hit f1. :) |
FeralShadow
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
184
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:14:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.
Excellent!
I was in an industrial corp way back when, and we got war decced. We chased the enemies all over eve (I was in a heavy missile launcher raven at this point). Then we went to nullsec, and I decided I wanted to be the predator, not the prey and joined a better corp. Took maybe a year. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:24:00 -
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NRDS and the "good guy" role was boring me out of my socks. I ragequit at least once over it, then came back to be a pirate and found it considerably more fun. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1042
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:32:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.
That's not a carebear, that's smart. There's a difference between risk aversion and risk minimisation. "Honourable" 1v1 is a stupid idea if you're not certain of victory (flying an Atron to fight a Daredevil, for example), and doing nothing to minimise the risk of such a fight and just jumping into it because it's a "risky" activity is also pretty stupid. Finding a way to minimise that risk and smash your opponent - that's just war, and by its very nature, war is an act of cruelty. There is no "fair" in war. But minimising that risk, say getting a mate to come and provide logi for your Atron (because it will need it) is not risk aversion, it's just smart.
On the other hand, avoiding the fight all together, or complaining about getting blown up because you just didn't want to fight, is risk aversion. You're right, PvP players can be carebears, but not because of what you described - only getting into battles you are sure you can win is not being a carebear, it's just smart - the alternative is jumping into battles you aren't so sure about, and that's just stupid. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
158
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:46:00 -
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Oxxe Radak wrote:I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump? For me it was a slow build up from early in my career.
Remember hearing from the other pilots in the npc corp chat about the scary pirates in low sec when a week old. After about a month old, I went to lowsec amamake in a destroyer hull, was promptly attacked by a stabber while in a belt, frantic piloting on my behalf, and of course the adrenaline rush.
This initial excitement on my first encounter is what kept me going back to lowsec. Slowly at first and then more often when I heard about a local anti-pirate group who welcomed me.
My focus was on missions and making ammo for resale at the time. I've never really refocused into pvp only even though how I carebear my isk has changed multiple times over the years.
Oxxe Radak wrote:I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over. We all feel the need to round ourselves out. There are so many skills it never ends. Dont fall into the trap of thinking you dont stand much of a chance because you dont have 30million skill points or more. I've been killed by characters that were 3 or 4 months old before. Skill points are a limitation to an extent, but ship fitting and knowing how to fly your ship are much more important.
Good Luck and have fun. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
John Chieve
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:16:00 -
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I started out as a member of Eve University. I wanted to focus specifically on exploration and recon. I spent a lot of time listening and watching Eve University's audio and video files to educate myself. Within 2 months I was in lowsec doing exploration radar/magnetometric sites. After being chased around by some angry Russians in Molden Health, most of my anxiety went away. I was kicked out of the UNI for inactivity (Subscription lapsed) and joined a corporation out in lowsec that I made my home nearby. I continued doing exploration until we moved into Ammatar space.
There were too many hisec systems for me to do exploration so I went into regional trading. I was bored out of my mind so I decided to fit up some t1 fit Rifters and went on roams for the first time with my corpies. I got my first real fight on a kickout station. I undocked only to see a ******* Zealot flashy red targeting me. I instantly engaged him not knowing what the **** I was doing and against the wishes of my FC (Don't ignore your FC btw). I ended up getting under the Zealot's guns and held him long enough to let the station guns kill him. I had so much adrenaline rushing through me that I was shaking all over during and after the fight. I was absolutely hooked.
I still get adrenaline rushes everytime I do pvp, it's the most addicting thing I've ever done in Eve. If you want to have some real fun, fit up some cheap rifters (Only costs like 1 million isk to fit a t1 rifter) and get your ass into lowsec and engage some flashies.
Here is the kill that got me hooked: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14983590 |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:33:00 -
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I only recently started to do Low Sec roams and cannot rightly say it is as grand as most people make it out too be... It has been fun, but that is mostly due to the people I roam with not the actual ship killing...
I started watching a Eve Streamer that gets people from the stream to roam with and it has been fun, people show up with no experience [like me] and learn the basics under a great FC. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2069
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:33:00 -
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Was a hisec only carebear for close to 6 months. Got bored, kitted out some Thoraxes cos I didn't (still don't) have much of the finesse needed to fight at range. Lost most of them in glorious explosions. Found my virtual crack in the process. For me, exploding ships is one thing that has really got me hooked.
FeralShadow wrote:We chased the enemies all over eve (I was in a heavy missile launcher raven at this point). Well, yeah... I would be terrified too. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
502
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:16:00 -
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Oxxe Radak wrote:Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.
Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.
That's actually a good point. I'm not specifically looking for people that made the transition and stuck with it, i'm more interested in the actual point in time when a person decided to engage in agressive PvP.
the first time i undocked
yes i know t doesn't neccesarily mean that it's me that has to be aggressive but i do know that undocking includes me in a potential pvp scenario
and no i dont station trade. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
103
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Posted - 2013.01.03 06:11:00 -
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Most people bear to fund PvP, bearing for fun is not something i can relate too. I played this game one and off for 4 years before i finally jumped into a wormhole and never looked back.
Its not that much different to being in highsec except that to survice you have to rely on yourself and your buddies, not on policemen. I mean what do bears do with all their isk? just make more and more isk and watch numbers in their wallet go up? Thats more like work than a game. |
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