You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.

Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.

Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.

That's actually a good point. I'm not specifically looking for people that made the transition and stuck with it, i'm more interested in the actual point in time when a person decided to engage in agressive PvP.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

You can pvp in frigs and have a good time, sp just gives you more options. Isk is more important then sp, you are going to loose ships, and you need a way fund your pvp.

Save up enough isk to fit 10-20 ships, and keep you isk making ships in hi-sec, then just start flying around low-sec. Get in some fights, loose some ships and see if you like it or not.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.

You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec? What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

We chased the enemies all over eve (I was in a heavy missile launcher raven at this point).

That's actually a good point. I'm not specifically looking for people that made the transition and stuck with it, i'm more interested in the actual point in time when a person decided to engage in agressive PvP.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one ... ?

I've installed Planetside 2.

As for EVE - I joined good WH corp. And then returned to hi-sec because WH space was too boring and scanning was like 50% of whole "high risk" activity (+ 50% PvE and 20-30 minutes of pure PvP weekly).

PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode?
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I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??"

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Edit: If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo. If OUCH are still taking people they are a good place to start (http://ouch.artofwar-alliance.com/).

Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad.

If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo.

decided to come back and give PVP a try. was hooked after my first engagement.

(how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure)

There is no such thing like solo PVP. Maybe if you have multiple accounts. Every PVP is multiplayer experience, or two players, but not solo. That is what makes it worth your time.

It's not the act of losing the ship. It's what you learn in the process - what mistakes not to make; what tactics were successfully used against you; what a well-run ambush looks like; etc.

Yes, you can learn those from the other side, but nothing teaches so fast as being caught in a mistake.


Otherwise, excellent point.

It's possible to be a risk-taker and be a carebear. You find them in nullsec operating alone. I am not referring to some botter safely behind the gank pipelines ratting with a carrier, I refer to the loners wandering about, knowing always they are outgunned and likely outnumbered and yet still manage to survive. They are not uber leet PVPers throwing ships away to camps and blobs daily (how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure) but they certainly are out there taking risks.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

That requires being able and willing to both acknowledge that you made a mistake in the first place (as opposed to blaming those damn blobbers/falcon alts/lag/anything but you) and be able and willing to examine what happened and find out what your mistake was.

It's a quality many players and indeed many people actually lack.

I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for your inspiration. I've been playing for a tiny 8 days or so. I've done most of the agent missions. I mine to make money and build a little nest egg. I've played many MMO's going back to the original UO but never got into PvP. I started playing EVE because I knew there was no consenting to PvP and that your "life" was in danger as soon as you undock. I liked that feeling. However, living in high-sec is starting to get a little boring. I want the action. If I get podded or killed, so be it. I've been playing with the idea of getting into PvP. I just never knew the "path". To me, EVE is about survival. I've got to learn somehow.

Thank you all. I think I'm about to fit a ship and go see what kind of trouble I can get into.

I share your view. However there're people having fun in stockpiling resources and money, so the ISK capital is for them the meter of their game progression. Nothing bad in this, it's a gamestyle legit as any other, and have to be respected (mostly consdering it's the gamestyle of the larger part of playerbase).

It's the nature of sandbox games: everyone can decide and set his ingame goals.

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?
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There is no such thing like solo PVP. Maybe if you have multiple accounts. Every PVP is multiplayer experience, or two players, but not solo. That is what makes it worth your time.

You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.

My first pvp experience was about 3-4 months after I started playing, I took a Harbinger from high sec to low sec and got killed by a frig :D this was long ago... I had been convinced to join a high sec corp that was mission and research... I regret this to this day... as people like that are very risk averse... I now have the most fun ever, flying around in expensive frigs zooming around huge fleets that would kill most people :D, best feeling ever

There's an important lesson to be learned from Bubanni - specialize.

Don't just specialize in terms of where you spend your SP but specialize in terms of gameplay: pick one role, one ship class, even one single ship type and use it every. single. day until you are good at it.

Each ship and each role has a learning curve attached to it and most players give up long before they become effective at using it.

If you just put in the time to become really good at one thing then those without the patience to learn will regard you as a miracle worker.

Bubanni in his Stiletto, ShortySVK in his Slasher, Mark Hadden in his bomber, ... look at the top of class waffle grads and you will find many examples of focus & specialization paying off ten-fold (of course your focus doesn't have to be one certain shiptype, it could also be FCing one type of gang, ...).

There's an important lesson to be learned from Bubanni - specialize.

Don't just specialize in terms of where you spend your SP but specialize in terms of gameplay: pick one role, one ship class, even one single ship type and use it every. single. day until you are good at it.

Each ship and each role has a learning curve attached to it and most players give up long before they become effective at using it.

If you just put in the time to become really good at one thing then those without the patience to learn will regard you as a miracle worker.

Bubanni in his Stiletto, ShortySVK in his Slasher, Mark Hadden in his bomber, ... look at the top of class waffle grads and you will find many examples of focus & specialization paying off ten-fold (of course your focus doesn't have to be one certain shiptype, it could also be FCing one type of gang, ...).

Thank you all. I think I'm about to fit a ship and go see what kind of trouble I can get into.

there was a time....

EvE was a different world years ago (back when we walked to school 8 miles in the snow etc ) I had done the trial and gotten blown up in a reaper in a 0.4. I tried hauling and got ganked by Tiller trying to slowboat the 15km to a gate in low.

Then i moved to derelik. I stumbled upon someone mining which seemed like a good way to make some cash, got talking to him, joined his corp.

At the time you could realisticaly get away with mining in low sec and we struck an agreement with local pirates in a 0.3 not far from Doril to let us mine in peace.

Some pilots were outside the local sphere of influence however. I forget the guys name but he was in a corp called Ascendo Tuum with 2 other pilots one of whom was called 'Helen'. This guy would occasionally show up and blow someone up.

At this point in (well certainly in my) EvE history a battleship was an expensive bit of kit. I got sick of this dude and engaged him during a mining operation. We had 2 mining fit battleships and a mining fit battlecruiser. It went the way you would expect.

so I decided: if you cant beat em join em.

I pestered my way into Ascendo Tuum but they folded days later as its plots moved on to bigger things.

I returned to my birth system and one jump over I found miners. I flipped their cans. A pilot from a corp called 'suicide girls' engaged me and I blew it up. The buzz was unreal.

I then solo roamed low sec in various crap fit caracals and Feroxes picking fights. The multispec ECM was a massive help in this as you could take on maybe 3 pilots solo and cycle your ECM to escape or limit damage, break webs and scrams. I won a fair few fights. During all this time EvE was changing. Fights in low sec invariably ended in 5 or 6 ships arriving to take on my 1

Eventually I stumbled into Bosboger and started a fight with a local pirate from a corp called Vale Heavy Industries. The name was misleading as Vale were pirates. He won the engagement but asked me to join his corp which I did. I spent many happy years with Vale.

We formed one of the first pirate alliances - the Molotov Coalition.

Steadily targets in low sec dried up. Vale moved into mercenary work and also did a stinit in TDE as part of a null alliance.

Eventually i sent a emo message to Vale along the 'thanks for all the fish' lines. That was an epic corp.

Ever since then I have largely operated solo trying to recreate my hayday in EvE. I find it ard to see the point of doing anything except player vs player combat in EvE but my niche disappeared a long time ago.

There was a time.

Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.

Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.

I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.