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Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:39:00 - [1] Well... i'll be short. i'm quiet actually, not ranting, i couldnt be arsed. I joined "the beautiful people" corp one month ago. I wanted some action in PVP, after my agent carrier (had been missioning for the last 6 months non-stop, was bored to hell, had earned 3 CN ravens etc). The corp was a newly-created corp, where i found many friends i began to know. We applied to The Foundation alliance, a bunch of guys i realy enjoy flying with, and i worked my ass off in the last few weeks to help on PVP as much as i could do (i had never done PVP before apart from small scale ceptor fights back to the Fade Union times. This time i did some jamming in scorp, brought some HACs, zealot 4tw, tried gankageddon, snipapoc, and began to find a new face of the game, really.) I had 2 bils when i joined the corp, my objective was to help that alliance, and my corp, to make it evolve and help its members, cause alone its just not funny, i did the experience in the past few months doing missions, i wanted a change. We began to trust each other i think, carefully but hey, the corp was evolving, cool, well, and as i had spent quite alot of cash on PVP and stuff and was back to "only" 1,2 bil, i realized i had to find a way to make money cuz pvp is rather a hole than anything =) but so fun still.. "wait, now that i'm in foundation, lets setup a medium POS with refining modules just for myself so i could make a living out of it and continue to enjoy PVP as i did while building ships, fighting etc" . ok the idea was great, i read the FAQ of the POS, and with my 3 accounts i thought i wouldnt have any prob to get one up. Then Jaknife, my trusted CEO, said, while i was buying the POS modules, that we was in negociation with a foundation corp so they'd let us use their POS... Now i really left bad, as i really am not a selfish guy. NO, i didnt want to go back to my boring times of missions when the only thing that was important was MYSELF and to get as much money as possible, NO i didnt want that, PVP is so much fun & sharing with other corp mates is so great, when you help people you see them evolve with you, and we had alot of people kinda newbish willing to discover some new aspects of the game. "OK. That POS wouldnt be only mine but i'd allow trusted members to get in, mine, provided they'd help me haul fuel etc, and help me run it too with a small tax fee on the refining modules." i thought. Also, this new change would imply to use a bigger POS to have better defences and a bigger refining array, bigger corp hangars & fitting bays... but hey that wouldnt have been a prob as the corp would help me haul & run it, they all agreed. We then all decided to haul it to 0,0, when most pvpers would be offline and GOD THAT WAS F-U-N. Gangwarping with 9 indies and 1 HAC covering us was sooooo much fun... we saw hostiles but got through, and managed to get to the system i scouted earlier, a system FULL fo arkonor where we would make up for the initial investissment EASILY. i had bought enough fuel to run the POS for 2 months as well, and we had hauled enough of it to run the POS for like 1 week, enough to get everything started at least. Defences were up and running.. everything was... FINE! I also decided that only trusted people would be granted the right to mine and use the POS. so i unchecked the allow corp members" box and set up a PW, that was cool. Then things started to get out of hand. i came back later, to find that people were mining ark, alot of ark. cool, no prob, actually,i was REALLY glad my corpmembers were enjoying it. but the "allow corp members" box was chcked in the POS, dunno who checked it actually. i unchecked it, and hauled some more fuel as i wanted to be sure everything would be right. i also brought a covetor, 1 apoc and 1 dommy fitted for tanking and mining... so when i'd start mining, i would be very efficient.
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Panzer Faust on 14/06/2005 21:40:03 The problem is.. that in real life i had some exams too, so apart form the hauling things i couldnt do much else at this moment, but my corpmates mined alot and they all agreed to give me 10% of their mins to help me run the POS and reward me, that was great, afterall the POS was mine and I had allowed the corp to use it. at the same time, we started to see some minerals missing from some hangars. Some modules too. wierd. hey, some new kind of POS bugs? we knew POS was known to be buggy. Well. everything went so fast (as i write this mail, POS was only up for 4 days) and my exams... And corp hangar arrays are so crap, you cant rename them so if you put several hangar arrays as we did, you would be confused as there are several hangars with same names... really well done CCP, but that was a detail, i had my exams, real life before, so i let it go, and told everyone to be careful. WE had several directors to the corp. And another new member (SARA J) sponsored by one of them (ZAVIER SOZERON) had just joined and was around at the POS. i had no reason not to trust zavier (he joined before me even) so i thought, "Fine, more help to run the POS." people were filling the hangars so fast you cant imagine really. SO yesterday, we decided to have a miningop... i had my 2 BS and covetor parked at the POS, because i had to get back to empire to get some haulers. i couldnt join the op but that was no prob as long as they enjoyed it i said, i could always mine later and better with my 3 accounts. we had 5 BS at the POS... The guy who was in charge to cover the miners was ZAVIER SOZERON.. he said he had to go afk for 2 minutes, no biggy. AND THEN... Another corpmate shouted "Hey the apocs disappeared!". And another member asked immediately "Is my raven in the fitting bay?" -"Nop" . I asked, as i was in route to empire to get the haulers we needed to the POS "my dominix is still there right?" "-yup" . Now that was wierd... 5 minutes later, the dominix was missing as well. OUCH. ZAVIER said his mega was missing as well, and then logged suddently. His friend "SARA J", in local when all that happened, stayed totally silent and logged about 15mn later. Hangars quite empty, no more Battleships o_O . Oh well, we first petitionned as we thought this MIGHT be some sort of wierd bugs, who knows actually. we also removed SARA's roles, and asked our CEO to remove zavier's roles as we were suspicious (not sure tho) till we would have investigated more. but the CEO wasnt online, so we just mailed him cuz zavier was director and only the CEO can remove director's rights. But the best part is when i came back today. Our trusted members unchecked "allow corp members" box again and set another password they'd keep SECRET till that. When i came back today, i had a nice surprise awaiting me. The POS, everything but the control tower, was destroyed. I understood how later: there's an issue, at the POS, that makes it possible to access the control tower "manage" pannel, even if you dont have the password of the forcefield as long as you have starbase role; Just be fast enough to click on the tower before you're thrown away by the forcefield, check the box, apply and any newb with starbase role can steal your POS, basicly. ZAVIER SOZERON still had his roles for long enough to do so i guess, they entered the POS (with SARA J), removed the fuel, waited till everythign went offline, convoed our nice enemies -V- and gave em a BM to our POS, even better, Sara helped them take down oUR POS (whereas he still is in the corp atm, 24hrs roles removal :( ) ZAVIER even had the courtesy to corpmail us a mail with the title "robbery" : "2005.06.14 17:03:00 for all u nubs, gg and thx for the BS and mins, it was only me and sara so dont fuk up ur internal ****" Steal the BS? i can understand. Steal the mins? hey thats cash, i can understand. But i wanted to ask him something, still :
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:40:00 - [3] [ 2005.06.14 19:48:40 ] Zavier Sozeron > panzer take it as a favour tht i dont blow up ur inty [ 2005.06.14 19:50:18 ] Me > LOL [ 2005.06.14 19:50:25 ] Me > you s0nofa*** [ 2005.06.14 19:50:29 ] A trusted corpmember > hey guys look, i didnt know thatots gave favors.... [ 2005.06.14 19:50:38 ] A trusted corpmember > must be 1 of a kind [ 2005.06.14 19:51:38 ] Zavier Sozeron > u were at perfect optimal completely still [ 2005.06.14 19:51:48 ] A trusted corpmember > well zav....befire i get you to ed to talk to me, i wanna know sumthing [ 2005.06.14 19:51:57 ] Zavier Sozeron > anyone looked at the POS lately? [ 2005.06.14 19:52:18 ] Me > dude, you took the BS, i dont care, the mins, i dont care, but one question,, why blow up the POS? [ 2005.06.14 19:52:31 ] A trusted corpmember > how did u do it so damn fast? Alts....what? [ 2005.06.14 19:52:33 ] Zavier Sozeron > i didnt blow it up [ 2005.06.14 19:52:42 ] Me > you removed fuel M8 [ 2005.06.14 19:52:46 ] Me > thats the same to me [ 2005.06.14 19:52:48 ] Zavier Sozeron > sara took all the fuel out [ 2005.06.14 19:52:50 ] Zavier Sozeron > not me [ 2005.06.14 19:52:54 ] Me > just why? [ 2005.06.14 19:53:03 ] Zavier Sozeron > i dunno full job? [ 2005.06.14 19:53:05 ] A trusted corpmember > yawtf did we all do? [ 2005.06.14 19:53:09 ] Zavier Sozeron > thts wat he said [ 2005.06.14 19:53:26 ] Me > and then calling V? [ 2005.06.14 19:53:34 ] Zavier Sozeron > and we convod the V fleet commander and told him the POS location [ 2005.06.14 19:53:51 ] Zavier Sozeron > we were gonna wait and get the control tower [ 2005.06.14 19:53:54 ] Zavier Sozeron > bt cldnt b arsed GJ. No point in betrahing us to our enemies, just "for fun". Nice. Now im sorry but ive always been loyal to my members and friends, and tried to help them so i cant concieve that. he made some great cash from us, i dont in mind. but my POS was everything, you know the it is to haul a big one dont you. That topic is so to warn you.... If you have any sense of respect and honor DO NOT TRUST "ZAVIER SOZERON" & "SARA J" and even better MAKE THEM KOS & PAY. Thank you. im now off to bed, cuz i have a major exam tomorrow morning, 4 hours, and i cant be arsed with all that ingame **, real ife 4tw :) im prolly gonna leave the corp, at least thinking about it. im flat broke moneywise, yay... 'night guys. Panzer over & out, hope you enjoyed the lecture & forgive me for my english thats not my native language. hope i didnt rant as well, thats not my goal, really, thats just lame.
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:41:00 - [4] Here it is. i apologize for the spamm of the other threads it just didnt let me post it in 1 post :( 'night again
Cloned Mark	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:49:00 - [5] I know Zavier Sozeron in real life my friend, and I assure you, justice will be done. ----------------------------- The Black Widows
ElDiablo	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:55:00 - [6] Dam dude sorry that happened to you. Such is life though. Learning experience for everyone here.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:59:00 - [7] It's cause of crap like this I wish "justice" could be done in game, using in game tools. Without resorting to real life settlements. I talked about this many times
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.06.14 21:59:00 - [8] Damn, that does indeed suck. You didn't lose any of those CN Ravens, right? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
pshepherd	Posted - 2005.06.14 22:00:00 - [9] you get well and truely pwned luckily i'm the only member of my corp who uses the POS, so less chance of that happening to me
Chrisb6122	Posted - 2005.06.14 22:13:00 - [10] harsh Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.06.14 22:18:00 - [11] Good to know who, and it sucks that it happened to you. Sounds like it would have been a great thing otherwise. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss What is your Radical Dream?
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.14 22:33:00 - [12] That's rough dude... But to be expected within The Foundation alliance. They are not very trustworthy folk... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.14 22:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Cloned Mark I know Zavier Sozeron in real life my friend, and I assure you, justice will be done. Does "justice" mean a good laugh over a tankard? "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Bedrock	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:06:00 - [14] This blows :-( I'm so sorry mate ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Corvus Dove Originally by: Cloned Mark I know Zavier Sozeron in real life my friend, and I assure you, justice will be done. Does "justice" mean a good laugh over a tankard? I think it means roughing him up a bit, or just his car if he has one. Does that dude live in CA? if yes eve-mail me his address
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:27:00 - [16] Originally by: pshepherd you get well and truely pwned luckily i'm the only member of my corp who uses the POS, so less chance of that happening to me Unless you're the CEO and you have no directors, it CAN happen to you. This is another example of why CCP doesn't want you to trust anyone. "Work together, but don't trust anyone or give access to anything or share anything unless you want to lose it." _________________
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:35:00 - [17] In CCP's world Solo > Team. Sorry for your losses. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
ChironV	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:38:00 - [18] Yeah, its harsh. Mind numbingly harsh, but just because you may play the game straight up doesnt mean others will. PvP is one thing. You accept the give and take. This however is is an interesting social experiment. You get to see people in all their uglyness from time to time. In games like these there are no real consequence for players actions so all the really nasty human behaviors can surface. Only thing you can do is just realize that if those people are that downright nasty then who ever runs into them in real life has a whole lot more to worry about than you. Be gratefull they didnt do the equivilent to you in RL. Then again in real life there are consequences to actions. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
anter	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain In CCP's world Solo > Team. Sorry for your losses. Funny that they keep trying to force players to massive teams. POS need massive overhaul and wish CCP would stop balancing and nerfs for awhile and improve POS.
IamBen	Posted - 2005.06.14 23:54:00 - [20] Originally by: ChironV Yeah, its harsh. Mind numbingly harsh, but just because you may play the game straight up doesnt mean others will. PvP is one thing. You accept the give and take. This however is is an interesting social experiment. You get to see people in all their uglyness from time to time. In games like these there are no real consequence for players actions so all the really nasty human behaviors can surface. Only thing you can do is just realize that if those people are that downright nasty then who ever runs into them in real life has a whole lot more to worry about than you. Be gratefull they didnt do the equivilent to you in RL. Then again in real life there are consequences to actions. Couldnt have said it better. ANd people say oh its just in game stuff.. bahh. Backstabbing friends shows your true colors. Lame in game, lame in RL.
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2005.06.15 00:05:00 - [21] Oh, this doesn't just apply to POS's. Corp theft is the same thing. _________________
ChironV	Posted - 2005.06.15 00:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Darth Revanant Oh, this doesn't just apply to POS's. Corp theft is the same thing. I read that whole Guiding Hand affair. Interesting. I wonder. Just as an experiment... What would happen if someone who had money got ripped off or harrassed in the game (within CCP guidelines) IE: Repeatedly ganked and podded, do? Why not hire some heavy pvp corp or sneaky corp like guiding hand? Technically it makes sense... Hire them for RL money say 1500.00 with a 500.00 retainer up front. Then fund them with quick ebay money to isk conversions so they have expenses money. So for a month or even more a corp makes money and is given free isk to wage a up front or covert war to destroy every ingame asset of the corp who orginally ganked or stole from the person with money. In South Korea, I believe, one person killed another fighting over an ingame supersword. It makes you wonder how far people will take thier need for revenge or how far people will go just to make someones ingame experience a hell. Interesting times we live in.... ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
Zzazzt	Posted - 2005.06.15 00:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Bhaal That's rough dude... But to be expected within The Foundation alliance. They are not very trustworthy folk... Nothing like a big, fat dose of ignorance to tarnish a thread. You sir, need to shut your face. You clearly know nothing about us. ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Thomdril Merrilin	Posted - 2005.06.15 00:47:00 - [24] Holy ****! That sux, you have my sympathy. Traitors should be shot...
babyblue	Posted - 2005.06.15 01:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain In CCP's world Solo > Team. Sorry for your losses. Classic; David Brent: Team Individuality.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.06.15 01:22:00 - [26] Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Joshua Foiritain In CCP's world Solo > Team. Sorry for your losses. Classic; David Brent: Team Individuality. People have multiple accounts for a reason --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.15 01:29:00 - [27] Quote: Nothing like a big, fat dose of ignorance to tarnish a thread. LOL, I know plenty... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Crowbiwan	Posted - 2005.06.15 09:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Joshua Foiritain In CCP's world Solo > Team. Sorry for your losses. Classic; David Brent: Team Individuality. People have multiple accounts for a reason Exactly m8.. & why do you think CCP made it that way? so they could get more cash thats why. Plain & simple. P.S. sry for your loss panz If you want to be around ppl you can trust you know where to put in your app. NAGAmazon Webshop If you didn't buy N.A.G.A. You payed too much.
Riddari	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:04:00 - [29] You said that there was a bug there, if you are fast enough to click you can gain access to control panel. This sounds like petition worthy AND refund worthy due to faulty game mechanics allowing others to unlawfully gain access to your controls. ¼©¼ a history
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:12:00 - [30] im sry for you dude, hope that guy rlly gets his payback in rl ;)
Humera	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:35:00 - [31] Edited by: Humera on 15/06/2005 10:38:27 Sorry about your loss. I will only ever play with people that I can reach out and "touch" if something does happen. If I do however join a corp I would simply never want access to anything. The problem herein lies in premeditated deceit festering in good old fashioned greed. The old adage rings true: "I envy you, give me what is yours. Oh, I can't have it, then I'll steal it. What? I can't steal it? Then I'll deceive and cajole you. Still no luck getting your stuff. Okelydokely, now where did I put that darn gun". Funny and sad how this game seems to bring out the worst in manor woman (respect to the ladies playing the game too). One can argue the psychological, ethical, moral and philosophical intricacies of the person infront of the screen 'til one is blue in the face but the questions still remain. WTF kind of a person are you in RL to commit these acts? Do you shoulder a role to heavy in life so that you must instead prey on innocents and alike? Do you find this behaviour acceptable in RL? Now you might just wonder if I am just a little too serious about the issue. Well actually yes. Relationships are built on trust and people that I can't look in the eye in RL I simply can't trust. This whole cyberfriends thing has been whacked up side the head a few too many times. People who can i.e. party and do things together will also play better together and it is my understanding that there are quite a few corps who do this quite well. Humera (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Evagha Hurlee	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:52:00 - [32] Mate in real life espionage exists, it seems only fair it should in a game world too, although loss from faulty game mechanics takes any and all glory away from the ursurpers imo. Other than syaing what they did sucks total ass im more depressed in the manner in which it was done, however there are more than one way to skin a cat, and now you have a healthy dose of revenge to dish out im sure in some unsettling way this will actually add yet another side to the gameworld you have developed your charachter in. Lets hope it doesnt deter you from further play and experiment, thnks for the tips, ill KOS either of them if theyre around me. BTW if your interested in a real honest and decent corp with decent people check out Zitek. www.zitek-corp.com, theyre also members of Stain Alliance. Good luck with the revenge
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:05:00 - [33] Having once flown with Zavier (when he was in Psych0sis, who he bailed from, turned 180 degrees and joined Armoured Assassins), I stopped considering hmi trustworthy when he decided to try being a pirate. One day he left -ASS-, now I can't help but to wonder if he was kicked for being incompetent or for trying to corpthief them. That being said, this is not going to sound nice, but his employment history is somewhat blemished, he shouldn't have been accepted into your corp first time around. That, of course, does not detract frmo the situation at hand. My sympathies to you and your corp for the loss, trust is a rare thing to be able to maintain in the game. Like somenoe else mentioned, the forced change of password might be something petitionable, as I doubt it's intended to work like that. Well, Zavier, and his former corpmate in -ASS- "SaraJ" are hopefully branded as pond scum by now, if they weren't already. I hope you'll recover in time, Panzer. regards, -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Severe McCald	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:17:00 - [34] I am sorry to hear of your loss. However, there is no call for real life retaliation for in game actions. This is a game with winners and losers. Theft and piracy are part of the game. We may not like the lack of in game mechanics to address this sort of behaviour (personally, if it is possible to prove to CCP who did it, then Concord should take an interest as far as I am concerned - negative standings and destruction should follow), but let us not act in an insane manner. In game and out of game are not the same. In game, we kill "people" (or, if you are me, then other people kill you). If anyone is confused about whether this is acceptable behaviour, then they are playing the wrong game. It is part of the game. Not RL. Speaking for myself, I play neutral/lawful characters on the whole; but if I were to choose to play evil, that would not reflect on my RL persona. It is a game. Nough said. Sev And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
Dloan	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Riddari You said that there was a bug there, if you are fast enough to click you can gain access to control panel. This sounds like petition worthy AND refund worthy due to faulty game mechanics allowing others to unlawfully gain access to your controls. Sorry for your loss also :(. Agree with Riddari though. Try petitioning for this. I've pulled off this maneuver myself after the password I set didn't want to let me back in again and I'd read in the forums that this was possible. It was surprisingly easy to pull off :/.
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.15 13:39:00 - [36] Lo everyone, and thanks for you support, i just got back from my exams. I will just put a petition so at least they can fix that bug, but what category should i fill it in, any idea?
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:18:00 - [37] My question is if the corp your both in knows about this did they boot him? let him stay? offer to replace losses since it was used for CORP BENEFIT? If the corp has any respect for its self they should replace the lost structures with same kind and also stock it with a weeks fuel. Some people may say it was a member of the corp that did it and why should the corp pay. Here are some reason. A) wanting to show that the corp looks out for its members when stuff like this happens. B)Show that they are also honorable, what would have happened if he had done it to one of their alliance friends? I am sure they would have replaced it and not complained cause the Alliance prob would have said that each CORP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR MEMBERS ACTIONS, if not replaced I am sure the Alliance would have broken off with said corp then stared a war. IMHO I think the corp should be grand enough to help you out since you devoted so much to helping the OTHER MEMBERS out.
Kaylee Starforge	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:21:00 - [38] Actually if zavier had the password he could have checked that "allow corpmembers" box so Sara J could enter the forcefield. If that's the case it would just be 'corp theft', corp theft made possible by the utter inability to secure ANYTHING on a POS. Something CCP needs to look into ASAP btw.
Raeff	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 15/06/2005 03:37:37 Quote: Nothing like a big, fat dose of ignorance to tarnish a thread. LOL, I know plenty... (Just a forum dig at Foundation, couldn't resist...) pretty aparent you dont actually, but thnx for the laugh Foundation is very strong atm thnk you very much [SORRY, a little off topic]
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Kaylee Starforge Actually if zavier had the password he could have checked that "allow corpmembers" box so Sara J could enter the forcefield. If that's the case it would just be 'corp theft', corp theft made possible by the utter inability to secure ANYTHING on a POS. Something CCP needs to look into ASAP btw. he didnt, we had set up a new PW after we suspected them (when the POS was still there tho) and 4 ppl only knew it (i didnt even know it lol, cuz i was to bed when my friends put the pw and unchecked corp member box - was a good initiative) but yeah you cant secure anything on a POS that sucks... What i REALLY hate is how hangars are organized... all the same, you cant customize anything. great. but oh well idont mind, i have no more hangars lol.
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Carl Jidona on 15/06/2005 14:55:55 Originally by: Panzer Faust Originally by: Kaylee Starforge Actually if zavier had the password he could have checked that "allow corpmembers" box so Sara J could enter the forcefield. If that's the case it would just be 'corp theft', corp theft made possible by the utter inability to secure ANYTHING on a POS. Something CCP needs to look into ASAP btw. he didnt, we had set up a new PW after we suspected them (when the POS was still there tho) and 4 ppl only knew it (i didnt even know it lol, cuz i was to bed when my friends put the pw and unchecked corp member box - was a good initiative) but yeah you cant secure anything on a POS that sucks... What i REALLY hate is how hangars are organized... all the same, you cant customize anything. great. but oh well idont mind, i have no more hangars lol. Did you ask if your corp will help replace the lost mod's? and add 1 weeks fuel to get you back on your feet?
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:06:00 - [42] The corp said they'd indeed help. But as i'm not sure i'll be staying anyway :( im just sitting in station trying to guess wtf to do lol.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:31:00 - [43] Edited by: Bhaal on 15/06/2005 15:34:31 Quote: The corp said they'd indeed help. But as i'm not sure i'll be staying anyway :( im just sitting in station trying to guess wtf to do lol. Very tough situation... It's gotta sting... Good luck in whatever you decide... Quote: Originally by: Bhaal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: Bhaal on 15/06/2005 03:37:37 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing like a big, fat dose of ignorance to tarnish a thread. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL, I know plenty... (Just a forum dig at Foundation, couldn't resist...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pretty aparent you dont actually, but thnx for the laugh Foundation is very strong atm thnk you very much The last few fleet battles I've been in suggests differently... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Garnet Strife	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 15/06/2005 15:34:31 Quote: The corp said they'd indeed help. But as i'm not sure i'll be staying anyway :( im just sitting in station trying to guess wtf to do lol. Very tough situation... It's gotta sting... Good luck in whatever you decide... Quote: Originally by: Bhaal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: Bhaal on 15/06/2005 03:37:37 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing like a big, fat dose of ignorance to tarnish a thread. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL, I know plenty... (Just a forum dig at Foundation, couldn't resist...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pretty aparent you dont actually, but thnx for the laugh Foundation is very strong atm thnk you very much The last few fleet battles I've been in suggests differently... The 2 ive com'd i see you lose all your support and killing 1 inty, Second you lost 7 BS and we lost 1 HAC? Do you like making your self look good on forums? I WANT A SIG!
Lama Zpiff	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:55:00 - [45] Sad story mate. Hope you'll stay and find yourself a good corp.. You definitely seem to be resourceful enough!
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:56:00 - [46] Quote: The 2 ive com'd i see you lose all your support and killing 1 inty, Second you lost 7 BS and we lost 1 HAC? Do you like making your self look good on forums? Hmm, last 2 I've been involved with, 12 to 2 BS loss in our favor. Last night 2 BS to 0 loss... (more of an empire war skirmish...) Look forward to seeing you in battle soon. And I'll stop mucking up Panzer's thread now... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Panzer Faust The corp said they'd indeed help. But as i'm not sure i'll be staying anyway :( im just sitting in station trying to guess wtf to do lol. Well that should tell you that its a good corp if they are willing to help replace loss's due to a fellow member being dishonest. What I would do is this, you know who to trust set the pos up again, but limit to personal and then have a friend set up with the few you completly trust that will allow to have yoru POS set up personal but allow friends to enter field. Have large cans set up to allow them to deposit minerals which you will refine on a weekly basis, take your 10% then put refined minerals in a passcoded huge container that you and the corps leader has access to this way you can controll what is taken and stored in the POS area. If the corps leader trust you totally with that systems mining operations you could then just set up a storage module which to move minerals to and just load a HUGE CAN when the corp needs minerals. That way you get your losses restored, the corps does'nt lose a good member that is actually working in the corps favor, and you get some faith back in the EVE community specifically your current corp.
lordmix	Posted - 2005.06.16 00:58:00 - [48]
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.06.16 03:03:00 - [49] It was my raven and 200 mill in mods that dissipeared
Marko Debreault	Posted - 2005.06.16 03:43:00 - [50] Sorry for your loss. Sara J got booted from a FIX Corp after not being able to play well with the other children. Do background checks on your recruits.
Skelator	Posted - 2005.06.16 04:04:00 - [51] Edited by: Skelator on 16/06/2005 04:08:16 Edited by: Skelator on 16/06/2005 04:05:44 there's an issue, at the POS, that makes it possible to access the control tower "manage" pannel, even if you dont have the password of the forcefield as long as you have starbase role; Just be fast enough to click on the tower before you're thrown away by the forcefield, check the box, apply and any newb with starbase role can steal your POS, basicly. If there is indeed a Bug then this is a Exploit and should immediately be petitioned as one with all Offenders banned. If you did not have corp set to use it and they did the Shield bounce Trick Petition it under the Exploit section you will get all your stuff back. CCP is very fair about replacing things lost to exploits and bugs in their code. They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.06.16 06:19:00 - [52] hope u get ur stuff back then
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.06.16 06:21:00 - [53] hope u get ur stuff back then
SaRa J	Posted - 2005.06.16 10:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Marko Debreault Sorry for your loss. Sara J got booted from a FIX Corp after not being able to play well with the other children. Do background checks on your recruits. Got booted thats news to me Sir. seeing as i left on my own.
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2005.06.16 11:15:00 - [55]
Laprastine	Posted - 2005.06.16 11:49:00 - [56] sorry for your loss, but your not the first to fall prey to corp theft, gotta be more careful. Doesn't seem like he was even in your corp that long before he had directorship. But good post nonetheless, will help others to benefit from your mistakes.
Apoll	Posted - 2005.06.16 14:35:00 - [57] First Panzer hope your exams went OK. As the others said, if they got access because of the known bug, then just do a petition. Their accounts will be kicked, you will get back the POS and then back again to profitable mining. And Trust No One. Exept people you can "touch".
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.16 14:57:00 - [58] I feel for you man. I have seen things similar (though not as bad) The bright side is that they will have to make new chars to get into any corp ever again because I dont think anyone in their right mind is going to invite them to corp now. The thread highlights several things. 1) Security systems and hangar management on POS is laugable. Permissions need to be more fine grained and customizable. I get annyoned that I cant refit at the POS but I havent asked for permission because I understand the need to restrict that. 2) You really must do background checks on players. 3) -V- alliance are total idiots and cowards. If they had anything like honor or ethics, they would have declined to take down the PS and shot the traitors and podded them instantly. If someone gave me a BM to an enemy station that they worked over like that, I would instantly pod them and help to get the station back online. Millennium has honor and we will EARN our victories thank you. If they sploited they should be banned. <-- note the period There are a lot of total jerks in the world man. Dont let them grief you out of the game. Im sure there will be lots of people that will help you get back on your feet. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2005.06.16 14:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Face Lifter Originally by: Corvus Dove Originally by: Cloned Mark I know Zavier Sozeron in real life my friend, and I assure you, justice will be done. Does "justice" mean a good laugh over a tankard? I think it means roughing him up a bit, or just his car if he has one. Does that dude live in CA? if yes eve-mail me his address ITS A GAME!! Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box and from this site.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.16 15:12:00 - [60] 4) there needs to be a corp wide log that tells you EXCACTLY who gave what permissions to whom and when. A corp log of all transactions on permissions as well as hangar transactions (this one only for 1 week). --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
lordmix	Posted - 2005.06.16 15:56:00 - [61] Edited by: lordmix on 16/06/2005 15:56:50
Light Darkness	Posted - 2005.06.16 19:49:00 - [62] Edited by: Light Darkness on 16/06/2005 19:49:38 Originally by: Derisor 3) -V- alliance are total idiots and cowards. If they had anything like honor or ethics, they would have declined to take down the PS and shot the traitors and podded them instantly. If someone gave me a BM to an enemy station that they worked over like that, I would instantly pod them and help to get the station back online. Millennium has honor and we will EARN our victories thank you. Sry dude. But we always fight with respect and honor against our enemys. Ask our enemys (or now friends) and they will tell you that. /LD ----------------------------------------- *[- V -]-Fleet Admiral*
Titus Flavius	Posted - 2005.06.16 22:10:00 - [63] So it is again quite clear that POS are really CTS (Corp Theft Stations). The all or nothing access roles are pathetic, and negate any claims that CCP provides tools to prevent Corp Theft. And these CTS are supposed to be the basis of sovereignty and the populating of 0.0?
Skelator	Posted - 2005.06.16 22:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Laprastine sorry for your loss, but your not the first to fall prey to corp theft, gotta be more careful. Doesn't seem like he was even in your corp that long before he had directorship. But good post nonetheless, will help others to benefit from your mistakes. The Problem here is that Corp members werent allowed either and he Exploited a shiled bounce trick to shut the station down. I agree if it was a corp theft then all is Fair in Love and War and corpthet but it wasnt They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.16 22:57:00 - [65] Originally by: Light Darkness Edited by: Light Darkness on 16/06/2005 19:49:38 Originally by: Derisor 3) -V- alliance are total idiots and cowards. If they had anything like honor or ethics, they would have declined to take down the PS and shot the traitors and podded them instantly. If someone gave me a BM to an enemy station that they worked over like that, I would instantly pod them and help to get the station back online. Millennium has honor and we will EARN our victories thank you. Sry dude. But we always fight with respect and honor against our enemys. Ask our enemys (or now friends) and they will tell you that. /LD Then why did you blow up an undefended POS from a bookmark given to you by a corp traitor. You call that honorable? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
lord Ganker	Posted - 2005.06.16 23:27:00 - [66] Just like to point out to all the people shouting exploit and stuff, we had the password, and thats how we took bs's from the POS.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.16 23:35:00 - [67] Originally by: lord Ganker Just like to point out to all the people shouting exploit and stuff, we had the password, and thats how we took bs's from the POS. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight No one believes you or your friends. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
DaHeaVYFo	Posted - 2005.06.17 00:02:00 - [68] Originally by: lordmix Edited by: lordmix on 16/06/2005 15:56:50 Why did he got involved in this thread? Lordlog, summit you wanna share about your alts whereabouts? "Ot rint, rint terrin"
Fillmeup	Posted - 2005.06.17 03:55:00 - [69] Panzer, as a Director of a corp you were previously with, I really feel your pain. Nothing worse than joining something new and exciting and being wiped out by some lame people you may have trusted. People like this make me sick ..... We have had issues with corp theft in the past, but have been lucky enough to secure our assets prior to it becoming an issue - we did have a couple of BS's stolen recently from a pos that were left too close to the warp in point - I am assuming that they used the same trick to board another ship whilst their own was bounced out of the shield bubble. Luckily we know the culprit and we are currently hunting them down with the sole action of making their life within EVE unbearable - hopefully he will quit eventually. Our thoughts go with you buddy - don't quit EVE over something like this. If they didn't have the P/W, log an exploit call to the dev's and get their accounts banned. If they did have the P/W, get some friends together, conduct an agent search and give em hell Find the leak in your organisation and fix it quick before it happens again. BTW - love the corp name .... why didn't I think of that ..
Fillmeup	Posted - 2005.06.17 03:59:00 - [70] .... One more thing ... if you do find him, get a group together, blow up their ship, lock down their pod with scramblers and webby's in a throwaway ALT, set it to orbit at 1.5k, then ..... go out for lunch or ignore that account for a few hours. Nothing annoys people more than not being able to play.
Joyeuse Kline	Posted - 2005.06.17 06:02:00 - [71] Seriously, this is the similar to what happened to that guy in China where he stole a friends item and sold it online then the guy came to his house and stabbed him to death. Im not saying to stab the guy, but people always get what they deserve. Stealing is worse then griefing in this game. Those people who did this to you are cowards who get the trust of people then hide behind other accounts. Funny thing is though, now that everyone has read this, most everyone hates them now. So have fun being hated. Much like IRL I'm sure also, so its probably not a big deal to you. BTW If I knew you IRL I would personally slap you around.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.06.17 07:12:00 - [72] I brand this as lame. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Missy Meatshield	Posted - 2005.06.17 07:20:00 - [73] Well its just like in RL... gullible people will be exploited. Plain and simple.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.17 10:52:00 - [74] Quote: Well its just like in RL... gullible people will be exploited. Plain and simple. Another hardliner eh? ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.17 11:57:00 - [75] Edited by: Carl Jidona on 17/06/2005 11:57:09 The one thing I am asking is are you going to redo your POS? Is the corp going to replace the loss of modules? and are they going to help get you lest one weeks fuel since the mining operation there helps the corp out. Just a few questions.
Panzer Faust	Posted - 2005.06.18 09:50:00 - [76] Sry ive had ISP problems for the alst 2 days was unable to connect, now i finished my exams & am back. HOLYDAYS :) Investigations are on their way so, atm im just standing by. Originally by: Carl Jidona Edited by: Carl Jidona on 17/06/2005 11:57:09 The one thing I am asking is are you going to redo your POS? Is the corp going to replace the loss of modules? and are they going to help get you lest one weeks fuel since the mining operation there helps the corp out. Just a few questions. I dont think ill put another POS right away. being totally broke i sold a good part of the remaining fuel i had so i'd need to spend some again. And about the modules etc, no idea we'll see once the petition closes (no matter the issue) but if we could get the POS out we'd prolly be able to replace the losses in 1 or 2 days max of mining i agree thanks again for your support you all, thats much appreciated

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