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SugarDaddy	Posted - 2005.06.18 21:31:00 - [1] Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk...
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.06.18 21:38:00 - [2] Have you tried mining? I hear it's quite profitable. Want some cocoa?
Silver Night	Posted - 2005.06.18 21:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Silver Night on 18/06/2005 21:54:43 Well, I know when pirte corps have declared on my corp, we have never paid. There are a couple reasons. Being a primarily empire corp, it is viewed as an opportunity to gain PvP experience. Its also thought a bad idea to pay off corps to end war, as you will make yourself a target known to give in to extortion in the future. To be honest, most directors in a large manufacturing corperation have enough money to independantly hire a merc corperation if its really needed; that is if we can't handle a war on our own. This option is considered prefferable, because punishing your enemy is usally funner than paying them off, even if it costs a little more. Edit: Of course, our situation may not be typical. We usually do ok in PvP because we have a few members who know thier stuff, many empire corps probably don't. ------------------ Silver Night Director - Production and Science (\_/)This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature (O.o)to help him on his way to World Domination. (> <)
Amrotis	Posted - 2005.06.18 23:16:00 - [4] People would rather fight for their isk than give it away. Judging by the orignal post, I'd say they were doing the sensible thing.
Navdaq	Posted - 2005.06.18 23:25:00 - [5] Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... You're funny.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.18 23:48:00 - [6] I fly a large mining barge and an iteron V. Please wardec me
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.06.19 09:26:00 - [7] Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 19/06/2005 09:27:01 Q: "Why some players dont pay Pirates?" What about ... A: They extort others themselves. A: They do not want to, by principle. A: They prefer dying before paying you. A: They just form a new corporation without letting you know. A: They are rich enough to ignore you. A: You asked for too much. edited/added: A: They look forward to enjoy hunting you and your people. See, there are many reasons ... ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
slothe	Posted - 2005.06.19 09:40:00 - [8] i never have and never would. id rather lose lots of money than pay. daft i know but.. Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" lordmix >... i helped a corp m8 pull it off
Phuze	Posted - 2005.06.19 10:58:00 - [9]
Leno	Posted - 2005.06.19 15:52:00 - [10] Originally by: slothe i never have and never would. id rather lose lots of money than pay. daft i know but.. Difference is your a good experienced pvper, many of those other empire guys are not and the isk isnt a big deal to them... --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.06.20 04:14:00 - [11] I hear it's getting harder and harder to find a serious excuse to start a war. Maybe the SHOULD be paying you... to keep the war up Seriously now, this subject has been discussed 100's of times, people just don't pay. Period.
D4RK MESSI4H	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Randuin MaraL .... A: They just form a new corporation without letting you know. A I hope they don't. As far as im aware this deemed an exploit and rightfully so. Could be wrong though. ----------------------------------------- The only thing the Gallente should host is an invasion. Backing the Caldari bid.
hired goon	Posted - 2005.06.20 10:34:00 - [13] Originally by: slothe i never have and never would. id rather lose lots of money than pay. daft i know but.. Hah slothe, you WANT a pirate corp to dec millenium.. because in the end you'd probably end up ransoming them! ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
StellarSheep	Posted - 2005.06.20 11:49:00 - [14] More funny situations r when u catch tier 2 bs pilot with rare stuff worht about 100m and all i just wanted from him was 40m ... Of course he didnt pay and i was forced to kill him. I got 60m from loot ... And i still ask myself why he dont pay?? ________________________________________________ StellarSheep Fury Corporation member
jeNK	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:11:00 - [15] Some people find it fun to fight. What guarantees they won't either: A) War dec you again for twice as much. B) Make it publically known that you give in easily. C) Kill you anyway.
Zaneg	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Zaneg on 20/06/2005 13:52:44 Not paying ransom is lame and immoral. You heartless bastards. These scumbags only want to hurt you. You should reconsider paying them for the service so they can repeat the success over and over again. I for one think that not being a total scumbag should be a banable offense. _________________________________ Keep EVE average players age below 15 for a better gaming experience.
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:55:00 - [17] Guys in my corp seem to not give in to anything, including common sense, when encountering pirates so that they can moan at me "Zain, go kill this guy, he popped my pod." Its rather funny, since they are usually drunk --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Kris Longknife	Posted - 2005.06.20 14:17:00 - [18] Humm lets see....I spend three to four hours a day on this game somtimes longer on weekends. Takes me awhile to generate any type of money, and then some lazy, good-for-nothing, pond scum pirate, wants to come along and take it from me? NOT...shoot baby shoot, loot my standard gear and give me a ride home.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 20/06/2005 15:08:33 Beats me why people don't pay. If i was still carebearing up a storm I would have. We have been trying to sell mining passes super cheap just for giggles. One guy is out of over 150 million isk so far because he won't move on or leave. On an intersting note, apprently everyone from Europe that dies is either drunk or all burned out on the weed. Must be one big never ending party over there. Where everyone drinks Hennikins all day and rolls joints ever hour.
Fol Tretufel	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci On an intersting note, apprently everyone from Europe that dies is either drunk or all burned out on the weed. Must be one big never ending party over there. Where everyone drinks Hennikins all day and rolls joints ever hour. 1st of all: we do like to party 2nd: No self respecting Dutch would ever drink Heineken - it's rats' p***. 3rd: actually to the point, I'm a carebear with over 16mill SPs, having a time of my life whenever somebody declares war on us. However, not all our members are, so... we try to end it as soon as possible. Usually a loss of 6 arbalest sieges by a pirate is enough for them to withdraw. PS. this is an alt as I do NOT want yet another war :)
Jaydom	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:36:00 - [21] Meh, its principle. I've never been at the whim of a pirate(well one that wanted isk and not my corpse). But if pirate ransomed me..id bide for time....try to figure out some way out. Then way the principle consequence agianst the ammount of isk. Guess it'd varry between situation to situation.
Hulredi	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:06:00 - [22] There is lots of ways to make isk without leaving the station, but remember you need to have isk to make isk (alteast more) so why would they pay when they could sit in the station all the time making isk while your camping them and not making any , just a thought. Hulredi Ore Avoidance Thread
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:27:00 - [23] The ironic thing is, since they don't pay, more and more of us just don't bother ransoming anymore. Which leads to forum whining about pirates that don't ransom anymore. Sometimes I'll ransom a barge for 10 mil on the assumption it's not carrying modal miners, but if there's more than one in a belt I go ahead and kill them all. There's times you ransom, and there's times you just risk destruction of the loot for the greater potential reward. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Kumq uat	Posted - 2005.06.20 20:01:00 - [24] I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter Tired of mining the same looking rock for thousands of hours you care bear you? www.freeallegiance.org
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.06.20 21:55:00 - [25] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: slothe i never have and never would. id rather lose lots of money than pay. daft i know but.. Hah slothe, you WANT a pirate corp to dec millenium.. because in the end you'd probably end up ransoming them! i owned MLM! hello to all my MLM friends! B) ----- ----- -----
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.06.21 00:27:00 - [26] Edited by: EvilDoomer on 21/06/2005 00:27:31 Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... To me its a matter of principles. I would rather spend 11mil for a new clone and loose my Apoc then pay a pirate. I am going to kill the pirate that took my POC. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters Ghost Fleet Pilot
Sweetpain	Posted - 2005.06.21 02:48:00 - [27] Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... Why dont they, thats allways the reason of pirate, narrowminded and well lets face it its sharper knifes in the drawer. if they pay you you gain isk on going to war, if they dont you lose isk on going to war. So they refuse to pay who is the loser then? you aimed, missed by a mile, and lost isk on an action and say they are stupid. yeah expected from a pirate...reason isnt it Yarrr yarr hick. just as you know the moment you declare war your no longer a pirate :) your just a soldier in a war. bites dont it, all that fighting and no pirate glory at all
PsyBoRG	Posted - 2005.06.21 04:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Sweetpain Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... Why dont they, thats allways the reason of pirate, narrowminded and well lets face it its sharper knifes in the drawer. if they pay you you gain isk on going to war, if they dont you lose isk on going to war. So they refuse to pay who is the loser then? you aimed, missed by a mile, and lost isk on an action and say they are stupid. yeah expected from a pirate...reason isnt it Yarrr yarr hick. just as you know the moment you declare war your no longer a pirate :) your just a soldier in a war. bites dont it, all that fighting and no pirate glory at all one reason i allways win the war is im not in it for the money tbh its just a nice bonus and a job well accomplished im only there for the action its a game its supposed to be fun it was also fun when i had 300k in my wallet and flew rifters and vigils for tackling money does not matter the least tbh if u dont pay the ransom i just have another can to loot and a mail to post for our boards so who's being narrow minded? http://www.snigg.cjb.net/ removed siggy as a part of the all important moderation
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.21 04:56:00 - [29] Because pirates are uncivilized. Nor do they generally invest well given that they apparently do not seem to understand the purpose of money. If you knew, you wouldn't have to ask. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
PsyBoRG	Posted - 2005.06.21 05:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Because pirates are uncivilized. Nor do they generally invest well given that they apparently do not seem to understand the purpose of money. If you knew, you wouldn't have to ask. why do you guys like to put us all in one boat i do agree my investments dont allways pan out the way i want but im allways happy aslong as i have a ship and enough to fit it coz i dont play to be a rich man in a virtual game money is so much more fun in RL i have not payed RL money for this game to work my ass off while playing no i have payed to have fun a good investment for me hmmmm lemme think maybe buying some more bs's for worse times and of course the purpose of money is simple purpose is to spend it http://www.snigg.cjb.net/ removed siggy as a part of the all important moderation
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.21 06:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Because pirates are uncivilized. Nor do they generally invest well given that they apparently do not seem to understand the purpose of money. If you knew, you wouldn't have to ask. How are we uncivilised ? we kill others in the game.. yes.. but thats part of the game after all ? If you kill me you wont get a torrent of abuse as I generally stay civilised and leave it at that.. its just a ship after all And what is the purpose of Isk ? for me its for one thing... to have enough isk to buy and fit my ship ? nothing more..... I dont run missions / NPC / Mine ... all i do in the game is PvP as thats what I enjoy. Im poor as hell lol... currently in a Bc till I can make some isk to insure my new ship Who cares ? If I wanted to just make money in the game I would have just run missions with the rest of the sheep So explain to me what is the purpose of money ? I thought it was just about having fun Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.21 06:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Because pirates are uncivilized. Nor do they generally invest well given that they apparently do not seem to understand the purpose of money. If you knew, you wouldn't have to ask. Indeed. Seems like they really don't understand mind of a normal people. What person on post #30 said, is very common answer from pie-rat. Why is his way of "having fun" only way and us others who "works virtually after real work" are ghay and should be killed because of that. Does those lazy bums ever stop to wonder "WHAT IF" someone actually ENJOYS playing game by getting as much ISK as he can? There is only few civilized pirates out there and I respect them totally. I won't say names because I'm a well known "forum warrior" and I dont want to drag their names here _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:53:00 - [33] Originally by: SugarDaddy Well, who is more stupid....... The pirate who doesnt want to mine or produce.........or the miners who rather lose 300mil in implants + ships + gametime than pay 100mil....... I would say the miners.... I wouldn't. Seriously, in paying up 100mil they finance your ability to do this over and over. And more importantly, give you an incentive to do so. You don't give a doggie a treat for leaving messes all over your carpet. You get the broom out and give it a smack. (Or whine to CCP how it's unfair)
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:57:00 - [34] Originally by: James Lyrus You don't give a doggie a treat for leaving messes all over your carpet. You get the broom out and give it a smack. (Or whine to CCP how it's unfair)[/quote ROFL but very true.
Alexxi Ljung	Posted - 2005.06.21 15:18:00 - [35] Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? Because the entire game is PVP based and even carebears like a good fight now and then. No matter what the circumstances no pirate will ever get a single isk from me. I'd rather fight and lose then cop-out and pay-up. That's boring; even a losing fight is exciting and fun.
Jackyl	Posted - 2005.06.21 22:26:00 - [36] I have been ransomed twice, both times I was asked for nearly 100% the value of the ship (not modules) and there is no garuantee they won't kill it anyway. If I'm gonna have to pay anyway, im going down fighting. Try asking a more reasonable price, maybe you'll have better luck. Most people get pi***d when you've got 'em face down in the dirt, add in the sound of a zipper and you're unlikely to get cooperation unless the "toll" is better than the alternative. If you don't where you're going, any road will take you there.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci On an intersting note, apprently everyone from Europe that dies is either drunk or all burned out on the weed. Must be one big never ending party over there. Where everyone drinks Hennikins all day and rolls joints ever hour. Once an hour? Freaking wussies [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Miss Daisey	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:19:00 - [38] I told a newbie in a Tristan the other day "U GIVW 100K OR I KILL NOW!!" I orbited him at optimal, taking down his shield each time he boosted it back up, and then I had to teach him how to give me money, but he couldnt figure it out so I gave up and killed him for his named mining laser I. Maybe some people don't know how to pay you??
Srewolf Bane	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:18:00 - [39] It would be the same as paying terrorists and kidnappers, as a rule people just don't do it. Pirates are no different ------------------------------------------------ "I feel sorry for people who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning, that's the best they will feel all day" - Frank Sinatra
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Alexxi Ljung Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? Because the entire game is PVP based and even carebears like a good fight now and then. No matter what the circumstances no pirate will ever get a single isk from me. I'd rather fight and lose then cop-out and pay-up. That's boring; even a losing fight is exciting and fun. So if someday, a pirate locks you down and you offer money they should blow you the **** up because you proably have a tech II BPO?
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.06.28 19:58:00 - [41] I killed a Cyclone in my Retribution a week or so ago. I scrambled the pod, asked for 10m as he was an old player, he paid up and was very polite, I said thanks and warped off. Why can't it be more like that more often? _________________ Itanis > HIGH SLOTS ARE FOR MINERS LOL
Mis Exodus	Posted - 2005.06.28 21:06:00 - [42] i would rather lose 1 bil than pay 1 isk. its all principle. ooh and the stupid pirate thing..i like pvp..then go to 0.0 instat of attacking miners for easy ganks and easy points for your scoreboard if your so thoug then attack pvpers..or wait that diddnt work out and you died alot..ooh yeah that must be why you go fight miners because you are bad in pvp. if they declare war..hire a merc corp. or get some friends in your corp and kick the hell out of those guys. yust make sure they dont get easy ganks mining corp do have npc guys that do have some combat skills ;) some pirates do runn very fast and it only cost a little to make a new corp to be in until war is gone id you want to bore the pirate to death or hop to npc corp and fly around him when he camps the ceo of the corp pirates are yust wimps that want easy kills and cant stand that there are people with more isk then him
Cloud Alexander	Posted - 2005.06.28 21:49:00 - [43] We declare war often on corps in empire. If we do ransom, we mainly do it out of curtisy. But we know they wont pay and we dont really want them too. We just like to fight in empire space for the thrill. My corp hasnt war a miner corp yet, we dont plan on to anytime soon. We mainly aim for corps that would fight. Anyways, I seriouslly dont see why they would pay the ransom. I wouldnt, fighting is way more fun.
Harlequin01	Posted - 2005.06.28 22:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Harlequin01 on 28/06/2005 22:08:58 Originally by: PsyBoRG Originally by: Sweetpain Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... Why dont they, thats allways the reason of pirate, narrowminded and well lets face it its sharper knifes in the drawer. if they pay you you gain isk on going to war, if they dont you lose isk on going to war. So they refuse to pay who is the loser then? you aimed, missed by a mile, and lost isk on an action and say they are stupid. yeah expected from a pirate...reason isnt it Yarrr yarr hick. just as you know the moment you declare war your no longer a pirate :) your just a soldier in a war. bites dont it, all that fighting and no pirate glory at all one reason i allways win the war is im not in it for the money tbh its just a nice bonus and a job well accomplished im only there for the action its a game its supposed to be fun it was also fun when i had 300k in my wallet and flew rifters and vigils for tackling money does not matter the least tbh if u dont pay the ransom i just have another can to loot and a mail to post for our boards so who's being narrow minded? It's a pity, maybe you could pay for some punctuation lessons had you more isk.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.06.28 22:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Mis Exodus pirates are yust wimps that want easy kills and cant stand that there are people with more isk then him And all industry chars sit in 1.0 sucking on Veld all day. Generalisations ftl _________________ Itanis > HIGH SLOTS ARE FOR MINERS LOL
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.06.28 22:38:00 - [46] Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... It could be anything, from being too damn stubborn to pay you (or, in role playing terms, "honour") to being too short sighted to see the end nearing (i.e. keep recruiting, keep trying to keep yourself stocked and financed while anybody can see it's all done in vain). Quote: 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... Try mining, I heard it's very profitable. A new study indicates that contrary to popular belief, sausages cannot talk.
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2005.06.28 23:41:00 - [47] They don't pay because it would be a waste of money. They know that if they paid you once they'd never hear the end of you. Picture a terrorist with a pistol and a hostage: "Give me an assault rifle or I'll kill the hostage" So they do, and he takes 5 more hostages...... "Give me a tank or I'll kill the hostages" So they do, and he aims it at a school......... "Give me a nuclear bomb or I'll blow up the school" So they do...... "Give me a nuclear missle submarine or I'll blow up the city" So they do....... "Give me a fleet of missle subs or I'll blow up your country" So they do.......... "Build me a Deathstar or I'll blow up the planet" So they do........... "Well, I guess you've got nothing else I want. Time to test the new deathstar." BOOM!!! (I guess they should have given the assualt rifle to the first hostage)
Mougi Enigma	Posted - 2005.06.29 03:12:00 - [48] I can't speak for ransoming a corp being as I am not in one beside the newbie corp, but if a pirate locked me down in space and demanded a reasonable ransom I would pay it. Assuming there was no trash talk involved. I think it takes skill to lock someone down and get their sheilds down quickly enough to get your ransom and get out. From an RP perspective I don't like pirates much, but they do add an element of excitement to the game and from what I have read the real pirates are polite and professional and I respect that. Just my two ISK worth. Mougi
Treborc	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:11:00 - [49] As a modern day **** Turpin would most probably say if he lived in this place..... 'Stand and deliver. I am here by be charging you gate Tax' That i can understand, would luah about for orginality and as long as it was reasonable...like 1 mill ...... I would be tempted to pay. But.......'Pay me 300Million now or I will get my corp to dec on you and if you don't do it now i will hound you out of the corp your in now and every other corp you join' Makes me want to really give the money to a merc instead. Treborc CEO Hellhound Industries. Miners, Traders and Builders to the masses. Currently being camped by a whole Pirate corp.
Agricola Augusta	Posted - 2005.06.29 12:04:00 - [50] First time I was ransomed I was webbed/scrambled in a cyclone with only 10mil isk in my pocket. The pirate askes for 20 mil, I thought to myself that even if I had the cash the risk of him podding me is too high (never trust a stranger that's just attacked you). Lost my ship and was podded, but could afford to buy and insure a new one. If the ransom was 1 mil then I might have taken a chance. First time I was ransomed by another corp, they wanted 30 mil to undeclare. I didn't have the money but didn't care anyway as I was looking forward to a little pvp. If the other guy wanted to pay 1mil a week for my enjoyment that was fine by me. Unfortunately the arsewipe undeclared after 36hrs, never had 1 battle :(. Still anyone who reads this is welcome to declare war on us and ransom if you really want (but I'm skint anyway). Just role play a little please, if you pay a ransom like 300mil in my opinion it makes you a loser by default.
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.06.29 13:41:00 - [51] Principles and value definately take front seat for a lot of people. My principles tell me don't pay, but if I had a t2 bpo in my hold, you damn right I would. Only time I've -ever- paid a ransom though was to protect my mates while they were vulnerable and a pirate knew where we were and we weren't going anywhere for a while cuz that would've cost a whole bunch more money than he was asking for. So it was literally ONLY a choice of losing over a hundred mil and my corpies ships, or losing a couple dozen mil. Can't speak for everyone, but I think the pirate appreciated it, and I like to think my corpies appreciated it. We haven't left ourselves that vulnerable ever since either, so I got to take away both my ship and a lesson, both of which I consider very valuable. --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Ghey Iislandur	Posted - 2005.06.29 14:51:00 - [52] Originally by: SugarDaddy Well, who is more stupid....... The pirate who doesnt want to mine or produce.........or the miners who rather lose 300mil in implants + ships + gametime than pay 100mil....... I would say the miners.... I know the corp Im in war with has over 2.5bi...All i asked was for was 100mil.......but no...they say "we wont surrender and we wont pay".......so I¦ve got to keep poding... Guess they will have to keep loosing barges and implants until they do the math.... BTW......any1 want to buy some Strip Miners??? They¦re used but they still work.......I found it in a can, near a frozen corpse... Pod all day if you like. I never buy used strip miners because I know they are ill gotten gains. I'll gladly pay 2.9 M to an NPC instead of giving you 2.7M to continue shooting miners. Btw, I gotta lot of respect for someone that's willing to stand up against a bully when all they have to face you with are a set of mining lasers. I daresay, you guys would never have the ballz to do the same ... ______________________________________________ Won't you give to the Minmatar Orphans of War Charities? With your generous donation of ore or isk, we can reunite a Minmatar slave with his family.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:16:00 - [53] Originally by: SugarDaddy Well, who is more stupid....... The pirate who doesnt want to mine or produce.........or the miners who rather lose 300mil in implants + ships + gametime than pay 100mil....... I would say the miners.... I know the corp Im in war with has over 2.5bi...All i asked was for was 100mil.......but no...they say "we wont surrender and we wont pay".......so I¦ve got to keep poding... Guess they will have to keep loosing barges and implants until they do the math.... BTW......any1 want to buy some Strip Miners??? They¦re used but they still work.......I found it in a can, near a frozen corpse... To be honest, the way Eve is at the moment I'm surprised more people don't wardec pirate extortionists in support of innocent Melon farmers just for somebody to shoot at. If the corp that is getting shot up by SugarDaddy's bunch would like to call "Jericho Fraction" / "the A team" (and if you can can find us) maybe we can help you build some Typhoon's out of old nuts and bolts and girders and show you how to fight back. At the moment I'd really enjoy some hotshot extortionist war enemy to take pot shots at. Alternatively SugarDaddy, you could always wardec Jericho direct ... speak to our CEO about the 100m demand I'm sure she'll pay (rumour is she's a soft touch) "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Ander	Posted - 2005.06.30 12:56:00 - [54] I believe there is something called honor among pirates. Killing your ransom pray is bad for business, that just means other ransom prays wont pay up. Personally it's about attitude. Give your pray a very short moment to respond, dont let them think too much. Shoot a few warning shots and if they havent paid up, then kill them. 4 times out of 5, they usually pay up for me. Those who doesnt, are usually rich enough to have modules worth more than the ransom. http://www.eve-pirate.com
Marvel Master	Posted - 2005.06.30 13:22:00 - [55] Originally by: SugarDaddy Can any1 plz explaim me why some ppl just dont pay you?? I have declared war on 2 diferent corps and they rather die and lose all their implants them pay me..... 1 corp died cause of the war and the other one is losing members daily..... Theyve lost over 300mil on my pods....and all i asked was 100..... Dont know waht to do .....I just want some isk... Ah, you again. :-) You declared war against us for 2 weeks. I dont know why, but with this posting... One reason: You a a one men corp. How do you want to make some trouble. Another reason could be, that the most corps have to much money. Why should they pay?. In the two weeks you killed a shuttle and 2 indys from us, because they fly afk. Yeah... You are my hero. After we killed your ship, you retract the war. :-( If you want to make some trouble, then come with 50-100 people and declare war against us again.. Could be a little more interessting because we make 90% from our EVE time only PvP. Marvel
POS Target	Posted - 2005.07.01 00:21:00 - [56] I would pay a ransom if it was resonable. I ran 3 gate camps last night. Only 1 even bothered to say anything, still made it to the gate before he could do anything. I paid the one who acually tried to speak with me after I got though the gate. I figure if he gets money for letting people though the gates instead of insta ganking he might practice it more. Gave him 2 mil total after the sales for my cargo went though. I had paid about 10mil for cargo and ship. I wouldn't have paid more than 2mil. As for people who gank at gates. Just think on how much stuff they are destroying. You will normaly get more for the ransom than what is left. I've been gate ganked a couple of times. I would have paided 2mil easly, all they got was a couple of 20k modules since the cargo went pop. Ransomers need to be better at asking the right price instead to aiming high, your not going to get ISK if you asking for the value of his ship since it's insured most likely and will get most of the ship value back.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.07.01 06:06:00 - [57] pirates and gate gankers.. Think _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Sweetpain	Posted - 2005.07.01 15:23:00 - [58] Why dont player pay pirates? Why can't pirates just leave players alone? I guess the answer to both are, cause they dont have to, and a little about greed. I took my barge to mine in 0.0 got ransomed for 30 mill or i would die, ok the ore in my hull was worth 1 mill my barge 15 mill. I died offcource. I few days later i tried again lost yet another barge. so i tried one more time and failed again. I know life can be harsh sometimes, so now i mine in empire space and get yelled at by pirates for being a carebear. Want a million dollar tip :) dont blackmail miners for isk offer them protection against other pirates instead, might see some isk rolling in then.
SadistiConquest	Posted - 2005.07.01 17:46:00 - [59] It all comes down to EGO. People this is a way to make isk. If some of theses people ran there own company they would be backrupt. If I was losing billions of isk a week, I dont think I would like it very much. I would find a way to make it stop. And theres only a couple of ways to do that. Pay off the attackers, pay a merc corp, or win in the fights. Its not hard to fig. it out. Ego is a big corp, killer. Some people cant pay off attackers because of it. ________________________________________________ I would love to get in a battle of wits with you, but you seem to be unarmed.
Ebil Fred	Posted - 2005.07.01 18:25:00 - [60] You find it hard to ransom people because if theres one thing more painful than paying up and leaving with your tail between your legs Its paying up and the war continueing / ransom demand getting repeated. You will get bored and stop shooting them eventually and chances are you wont war dec them again. This is a lot better than continually being stiffed with repeated ransoms / wars from the same corp. Don't blame the people you try to ransom blame the dishonourable people who share your chosen career.
Black Flag	Posted - 2005.07.02 12:27:00 - [61] Here's my take on it. you also have to size up the corp u plan to extort from. One time or another we all been down that road of noobie land, and we still see it today with current noobs that you work your way up to get a Big Bad Battleship, that took you a months to get, and in a blink of an eye, It's gone. So the point is, if you are declaring war on a bunch of noobs in hopes to get money out of them. The noobs themselves are thinking that instead of giving you the money, they can go out and buy the big bad ass Battleship and some top of the line implants, and best name mods that money can buy, all in the hopes that they can take you down. But in the end, they loose in all, and they have no money to give you. But hey, they gave it their best shot
Elaine Marley	Posted - 2005.07.04 10:54:00 - [62] Well well.... 300 Mill is peanuts... 400 are peanuts and even 500 are peanuts as well... Think about your corp fights, no losses for them but one pilot got podded... Loosing a Lvl 2 BS e.g. 120 Mills Loosing 4 Imps +4 350Mill+ Loosing Equipment: 50 mills+ (for a Basic ship) makes summar summaro = 520Mills... So 4 of your Pilots get shot nearly the same rid. 2,080,000,000 yeah fine and now say thx to the CEO because he is safe in a station and dont undock since ages now. Podding Regards Elaine Marley Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control Veni, Vedi, Vici
Blydchyld	Posted - 2005.07.06 09:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Elaine Marley Well well.... 300 Mill is peanuts... 400 are peanuts and even 500 are peanuts as well... Think about your corp fights, no losses for them but one pilot got podded... Loosing a Lvl 2 BS e.g. 120 Mills Loosing 4 Imps +4 350Mill+ Loosing Equipment: 50 mills+ (for a Basic ship) makes summar summaro = 520Mills... So 4 of your Pilots get shot nearly the same rid. 2,080,000,000 yeah fine and now say thx to the CEO because he is safe in a station and dont undock since ages now. Dont wish to urinate on your fried potatoes but... implants are no where near that price anymore. IE your argument = defunct. Sorry :/ ------------------------------------------------ I want to be a fish.
Elaine Marley	Posted - 2005.07.11 08:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Blydchyld Dont wish to urinate on your fried potatoes but... implants are no where near that price anymore. IE your argument = defunct. Sorry :/ I've been webbed and scrambled attempting to move to a gate,by pie-rats and demanded to pay 100 million or my ship and pod. But after checking my corp name they appologised and left, a bonus of the corp i am in. Before joining Celestial Horizon (4tw) I was held up 4 times in a frig did i pay, did i hell! I work for my isk. 10 million isk is a fair bit too me, its a long hauler run or a full nights mining. Like feck am i paying a 1337 doode to sit at a gate, lock me then demand i pay up. I would rather get a bunch of mates together and pod him till he cries SPLOIT! Well somethings i could agree to, but cmon i dont care about Corp Names...a frag is a frag. Podding Regards Elaine Marley Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control Veni, Vedi, Vici
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.11 09:30:00 - [65] Originally by: Elaine Marley Loosing a Lvl 2 BS e.g. 120 Mills Loosing 4 Imps +4 350Mill+ Loosing Equipment: 50 mills+ (for a Basic ship) makes summar summaro = 520Mills... Erm... Elaine they evented this thing called "insurance"... a more realistic price wud be: Loosing a Lvl 2 BS e.g. 50 Mills Loosing Equipment: 10 mills+ (for a Basic ship) basic Ship 50 mil? u need all tech II's to reach 50 mil price, including guns and armor reps... so a ghetto tier2 BS lost is more likely to cost 60 mil, tbh, than 540... And, for most noob corps who aint able to fight back, 100mil IS alot because what many smart@ss here dont consider is paying 100mil once is affordable but then others go and ransom them aswell, simply because they become known as good targets to ransom. - Gob

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