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Shonen	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:07:00 - [1] I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much.
Bastogne	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:08:00 - [2] Odd, I'm paying $14.95 a month. Also, tens of thousands of us pay every month, and it's totally worth it to us.
Altai Saker	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:11:00 - [3] tbh its not worth it but I do it anyway :/
Tos' Lavoch	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:14:00 - [4] I've had lots of fun these past ywo years that make the money I spent more than worth it.
Larno	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:16:00 - [5] It's $19.95 for the first month, then $14.95 for each month after that. The different billing intervals give you: 12 months @ 10.95/month 6 months @ 11.95/month 3 months @ 12.95/month 1 month @ 14.95/month And you should think yourself lucky. We europeans have to pay in Euros which costs us 22.4% more than those paying in dollars.
Shonen	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Tos' Lavoch I've had lots of fun these past ywo years that make the money I spent more than worth it. Fair call. I guess that's just it, if you're having fun then it's worth spending the money. Guess I should just try it for at least a month.
Shonen	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:20:00 - [7] Edited by: Shonen on 19/06/2005 12:20:08 Originally by: Bastogne Odd, I'm paying $14.95 a month. Also, tens of thousands of us pay every month, and it's totally worth it to us. I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction?
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Shonen Edited by: Shonen on 19/06/2005 12:20:08 Originally by: Bastogne Odd, I'm paying $14.95 a month. Also, tens of thousands of us pay every month, and it's totally worth it to us. I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction? Because like it or not, games like EVE take a lot of infrastructure and support to keep running. Look at it this way, the cost of EVE each month is comparable to buying a new game every two months or so. If you enjoy playing it, surely that's worth it?
El'bikk	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Shonen I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction? EVE runs on a server cluster that needs to be maintained. The devs are continuously working to fix bugs and add new content. Support is free. You are paying a monthly fee for these reasons. I have never played Neverwinter Nights but I don't see how they can continue to pay a development team to improve the game etc. with only one-off fees. They certainly can't plan future content because they have to rely on new people signing up. They basically have little idea what their future income stream will be like.
AlexK100	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:40:00 - [10] Originally by: El'bikk Originally by: Shonen I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction? EVE runs on a server cluster that needs to be maintained. The devs are continuously working to fix bugs and add new content. Support is free. You are paying a monthly fee for these reasons. I have never played Neverwinter Nights but I don't see how they can continue to pay a development team to improve the game etc. with only one-off fees. They certainly can't plan future content because they have to rely on new people signing up. They basically have little idea what their future income stream will be like. Short answer is: YES 8) I see work of developers and I support is really awesome so I dont thiks I`m paying too much for this level of service. Personally I think that subscription fee is more fair that one time payment.
Shadows Soul	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:47:00 - [11] its not $20 a month, its $20 dollers for the game and the first month. think of it as buying the game for 5 bucks and paying $15 a month.
Zaneg	Posted - 2005.06.19 12:53:00 - [12] Yea, the devs are constantly trying to implement new bugs that will screw up the network and keep the server/nework techs busy 8) Consider the fact that CCP are not the biggest game corp around (but getting there hopefully) and dont need that many economy dudes that sit on their flat behinds and plots for career advancement yet. It is still a market controlled thing, and EVE was/is prolly kept at average market pricing to keep up with the competition. Ask some WOW players (that are not insane if possible) how much dev interaction and costumers service they get for their bucks worth ? Alot less. Also, EVE has more soul. Blizzard used to have that in the old days.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:02:00 - [13] Originally by: El'bikk I have never played Neverwinter Nights but I don't see how they can continue to pay a development team to improve the game etc. with only one-off fees. They don't. NWN isn't an MMORPG (although some mods have tried to turn it into that), and Bioware (the devs) don't host any servers. It's all down the players and people like Gamespy. Money is still being put into the game as 1) it's still selling rather well and has a massive user base, 2) The 2 expansion packs have sold very well too, 3) A new "premium mod" store had been setup which users can pay to download "professional mods", i.e. mods worked on by the community with Bioware. The mod-maker gets some of the money too. The new content patches are just fixes, a few new spells (Impode coming soon, wahoo!), and maybe a few extra tools. Now, if we can steer this post back on topic...
Basileus	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:05:00 - [14] It is way too expensive, but I'm paying anyway. They should lower the amount tbh.
Alfa Nebula	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:08:00 - [15] The short answer: YES The long answer: Hell Yes I have been playing for a good long while now. I live in Denamrk, and therefor i have to pay in euros which is more expensive then dollars in the end, something about VAT i think. Anyways, i dont mind it at all. I started out runing with one account, now i have two. And even when i have to pay for two accounts and paying the extra cash for it i think its well worth it. So basicly YES, YES and YES. Alfa
nirana	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. how do u know if its absurd if u havent tried it ?
Maggot	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:41:00 - [17] It has to be the best value for money entertainment going, even with multiple accounts.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:45:00 - [18] I've reduced my costs by buying on the 6-month installments. Helps, especially when one has more than one account. BW Originally by: Harisdrop No I think you hit it right on winterblink. I agree most sci fi nerds that play Eve are 4-7 in thier social and tact skills. Pirates Yarr!!!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:47:00 - [19] Well, when Eve behaves like it has this afternoon, I too wonder why I pay for 2 accounts. I've been unable to stay connected for more than 5 minutes since DT. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Maggot	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:51:00 - [20] ISP problem maybe Josh.
Dakath	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:54:00 - [21] Anything is only worth what people are willing to pay. In my case it is worth the money. Your mileage may vary. I chopped Bunny into little pieces. \ ( )( X > ) ( .x ) / < _ Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Sic Transit Gloria Bunny!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.06.19 13:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Maggot ISP problem maybe Josh. I've had nothing but ISP problems the last 2 weeks so you're probably right. My 2Mbps Nildram has been severely **** by a broken BT exchange. I'm getting 256kbps speeds, if I'm lucky. Won't be fixed until June 30th. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
VonKaplanek III	Posted - 2005.06.19 15:07:00 - [23] sooooooo worth it!!
Galk	Posted - 2005.06.19 15:47:00 - [24] It's just an old perception. We have been buying games out the box for years and thats it.. job done. Tbh, after taking the plunge and signing up for a monthly, i have to say there's no greater value in just about anything realy. Non of this pay as you go crap or anything else... on tap 24hrs a day, 7 a week. It's like wrangler said, 5-10 quid a day if you smoke, 30 quid min if you clear off down the pub for the night... Eve 10 quid a month... nuff said realy. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Siri Danae	Posted - 2005.06.19 15:56:00 - [25] Everyone with two accounts, raise your hand. /me.
Khonsu	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:01:00 - [26] 'This much'? I think MMORPGS are the absolutely cheapest form of entertainment you can buy, at least where I live, and definitely worth it. I seriously can't think of any form of entertainment that's even close to this cheap. One movie is $12.50, and that only lasts 1 1/2 hours.
Karazaan	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. It is absolutely worth it to have a 'perfect' universe. By that I mean no cheaters. It is simply not possible to cheat or hack by the way the game is built. So you pay for that service. Even the fighting between the ships is done in a way so that no aim-bots or see-thru patch is going to give you any unfair advantage over another player. Some people are ready to pay a lot to have power over the others and so we pay that little to be free of them, while having fun playing, knowing that nice modules on an opponent ship have had someone work hard for and he is not printing them with some cheat code or exe hack. I have seen an anonymous guy that was running a dedicated game server (don't remember which game but it was a FPS) on the internet say litteraly: "If they log on MY server, they are under MY control. I can handicap them, transform them into another shape, remove all their weapons. If they talk this or that way, I will make them leave the server." What's the point of playing if you compare to people that are in God mode? Curiosity, maybe. But you won't play long, even if you are the one in God mode... Here's an hypothetical transmission... Eve Server: ok there, you have one new ship at the gate and he is targetting your ship. Eve Client: ok, I lock that ship. Eve Server: lock completed, he is 20km from you. Eve Client: I activate my 9th high slot containing a tachyon laser 1 Eve Server: nice, let me see... Eve Server: Notification, you are banned for life, have a nice day.
DARTHEXIDOUS	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:17:00 - [28] 0/ 2 accounts I love them.money well spent.
Harulth	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:30:00 - [29] i consider it well worth it considering the fairly frequent content that is added without paying extra for it i pay for three accounts as me and my girlfriend play with each other and one we share for hauling also i am suprised you paid for the game as when i started you could download the game for free complete with trial time from gamespy though that may have changed.
Capsicum	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:37:00 - [30] I've only had one Crash today, and that was because my Cable modem refuses to work when its hotter then 31.8Å¦ - turning it off for 10 minutes and putting a fan on it resolved that problem. {The Forum Rules} \| {Email Us!}
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:51:00 - [31] o/ got 2 accounts too... love this game and have done so in well over a year now... Being norwegian we do pay in Dollar not in Euro so we get it cheaper this way, glad I said NO to EU now we see it pay's off !!! LOL ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Earthan	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:53:00 - [32] Yea its worth it, only game of its kind.And im really not rich. i count even such expenses. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2005.06.19 16:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Well, when Eve behaves like it has this afternoon, I too wonder why I pay for 2 accounts. I've been unable to stay connected for more than 5 minutes since DT. Your ISP defienitely, hadnt had any problems Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
ZeeWolf	Posted - 2005.06.19 17:23:00 - [34] ú20 for 3 months.. seems good enough for me
Sadist	Posted - 2005.06.19 18:19:00 - [35] I would pay 14.95 just to talk to the great people in the eve community, let alone the gameplay. --------------- Originally by: Dark Shikari "One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.19 19:33:00 - [36] It might seem a little expensive for posting rights to this forum, but they do throw in a free game. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Xrak	Posted - 2005.06.19 22:34:00 - [37] Whilst a reduction would be nice (maybe after a year of paying get ú1 off a month?) when you compare it other forms of entertainment it is good value for money. Now the only thing that bothers me is Guild Wars. That has no subscription fees, and whilst not being a true MMO there are still server costs, support etc to pay for. Also the expansion packs aren't conpulsary How they doing it?
n0sPIG	Posted - 2005.06.20 01:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Wrangler Look at it this way, the cost of EVE, 23/7 (sometimes less, sometimes more) is about what you pay for 2,5 visits to a cinema. If you smoke it's about 5 packs, it's a lot less than a night of drinking and partying. Originally by: Joshua Calvert Well, when Eve behaves like it has this afternoon, I too wonder why I pay for 2 accounts. I've been unable to stay connected for more than 5 minutes since DT. My theory is that you continue paying for it so you can post on the forums.. LOL I think its worth the subscription, EVE has saved my a lot of "going out" money since ive started playing, not to mention the beating my social life has taken - but meh. I enjoy reading all the info and topics on the forums, i've never experienced any problems with the support crew. Plus theres nothing like having nothing to do, logging in and being stimulated by talking to randoms, fighting working out ship fittings etc. Everyone has something they enjoy about EVE, and thats why they pay the subscription fee. /me sends out ehugs "Your never really dead till your body stops twitching"
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.06.20 01:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. 15 a month. And 12 if you pay tri-monthly. Oh, and I haven't bought a game or movie since I started EVE--saving me 50-100 a month. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Reeut	Posted - 2005.06.20 01:58:00 - [40] Great fun to play in my free time, Recently rolled a second account so its going to get even better. I Enjoy both the PVP side and the Industry/Trading/Marketing/Mining side of things, of course PVP is awesome fun but selling your stuff and seeing people buy it is just as rewarding. Whats good is, There isnt too much time required apart from travelling if you want to find a fight.
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.20 02:19:00 - [41] Eve costs about $0.30-0.35 or so per day. For the same price I can get.. um.. a coke? I spend more money and a fraction of the time on food, and food is less important than entertainment. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.06.20 02:20:00 - [42] This game has saved me so much money. 1) Less going to club 2) Buying less clothes to go to club 3) Buying less gas to get to club 4) Less money spent on Lawyer/Court Fees from going to club 5) Buying less alchohol..err scratch that one.. lets call that a push 6) Buying less 49.99 on PS/Xbox game that I beat in 4 days 7) Less money on my cellphone bill because most of my friends are on TS :) 8) MOST IMPORTANTLY: EVE ADDICTION COST LESS THAN DRUG ADDICTION. THATS WORTH THE SUBCRIPTION IN ITSELF.
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.20 02:23:00 - [43] The only other trouble is that I pay by the year, which means I have to sit through the really long skill training times rather than go on vacation or backpack around the Mediterranean or something. I was really thinking about getting out of the house before I resubbed to Eve. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.06.20 02:31:00 - [44] wait, you'd pay $30-50 for a single-player game that lasts 1-3 days of gaming (my average timeframe before finishing a game), and won't pay $20for a game that you can play 23/7? Hell... I see no reason to ever buy single player games again (well... apart from the replayable long ones like real rpg's and civ-like games).
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.06.20 02:32:00 - [45] when this game first came out i paid $70 fliping dollars for it. oh yea, me bot the cd at a games shop. if i ever find out eve never sanction the sale of this game anywhere near that price. im gona burn them tfd. i dont wona talk about it..
oDDiTy V2	Posted - 2005.06.20 03:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Eve costs about $0.30-0.35 or so per day. For the same price I can get.. um.. a coke? I spend more money and a fraction of the time on food, and food is less important than entertainment. If you're really ambitious, you could probably find that much outside on the ground every day without much trouble.
infused	Posted - 2005.06.20 03:46:00 - [47] Isn't that what most games cost? MMO's that is... Too expensive, don't play it... simple as that. Goto the movies or something... Entertainment costs money. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Zezman	Posted - 2005.06.20 05:43:00 - [48] When I think back to the days growing up in the 80's, the amount of cash I spent every month feeding quarters into video games, I imagine that Eve-Online is a great discount.
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.20 06:32:00 - [49] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 If you're really ambitious, you could probably find that much outside on the ground every day without much trouble. OMG! If I can just ***** my body out for french fries during downtime I will be unstoppable. No wait. My IP costs more than EVE. Someone is always trying get me. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.20 06:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Wrangler My theory is that you continue paying for it so you can post on the forums.. Infact I do that, with 2 accounts _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 07:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Larno It's $19.95 for the first month, then $14.95 for each month after that. The different billing intervals give you: 12 months @ 10.95/month 6 months @ 11.95/month 3 months @ 12.95/month 1 month @ 14.95/month And you should think yourself lucky. We europeans have to pay in Euros which costs us 22.4% more than those paying in dollars. Are you being serious that we pay more ? Thats proper bull** ! I pay for 3 accounts ... hmmm time to move abroad me thinks Originally by:** Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
mahhy	Posted - 2005.06.20 07:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Death Merchant This game has saved me so much money. 1) Less going to club 2) Buying less clothes to go to club 3) Buying less gas to get to club 4) Less money spent on Lawyer/Court Fees from going to club 5) Buying less alchohol..err scratch that one.. lets call that a push 6) Buying less 49.99 on PS/Xbox game that I beat in 4 days 7) Less money on my cellphone bill because most of my friends are on TS :) 8) MOST IMPORTANTLY: EVE ADDICTION COST LESS THAN DRUG ADDICTION. THATS WORTH THE SUBCRIPTION IN ITSELF. Great post Unfortunately its absolutely true...
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 07:51:00 - [53] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Death Merchant This game has saved me so much money. 1) Less going to club 2) Buying less clothes to go to club 3) Buying less gas to get to club 4) Less money spent on Lawyer/Court Fees from going to club 5) Buying less alchohol..err scratch that one.. lets call that a push 6) Buying less 49.99 on PS/Xbox game that I beat in 4 days 7) Less money on my cellphone bill because most of my friends are on TS :) 8) MOST IMPORTANTLY: EVE ADDICTION COST LESS THAN DRUG ADDICTION. THATS WORTH THE SUBCRIPTION IN ITSELF. Great post Unfortunately its absolutely true... Point 8 is void Eve-High is a much better game Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Larno It's $19.95 for the first month, then $14.95 for each month after that. The different billing intervals give you: 12 months @ 10.95/month 6 months @ 11.95/month 3 months @ 12.95/month 1 month @ 14.95/month And you should think yourself lucky. We europeans have to pay in Euros which costs us 22.4% more than those paying in dollars. Are you being serious that we pay more ? Thats proper bull**** ! I pay for 3 accounts ... hmmm time to move abroad me thinks Sadly, the EU dictates that any electronic supply made to a customer in the EU, even from outside, should be subject to VAT. As a result, CCP charge EU players in Euros and everyone else in dollars. The impact of VAT and the slight movements in exchange rates differing between USD and Euros are what makes it more. CCP don't earn more off us, they just have to add VAT on the price.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Genevieve Blue Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Larno It's $19.95 for the first month, then $14.95 for each month after that. The different billing intervals give you: 12 months @ 10.95/month 6 months @ 11.95/month 3 months @ 12.95/month 1 month @ 14.95/month And you should think yourself lucky. We europeans have to pay in Euros which costs us 22.4% more than those paying in dollars. Are you being serious that we pay more ? Thats proper bull** ! I pay for 3 accounts ... hmmm time to move abroad me thinks Sadly, the EU dictates that any electronic supply made to a customer in the EU, even from outside, should be subject to VAT. As a result, CCP charge EU players in Euros and everyone else in dollars. The impact of VAT and the slight movements in exchange rates differing between USD and Euros are what makes it more. CCP don't earn more off us, they just have to add VAT on the price. Right... /emote declares war on the UK Originally by:** Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
KazTraZ	Posted - 2005.06.20 08:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Death Merchant This game has saved me so much money. 1) Less going to club 2) Buying less clothes to go to club 3) Buying less gas to get to club 4) Less money spent on Lawyer/Court Fees from going to club 5) Buying less alchohol..err scratch that one.. lets call that a push 6) Buying less 49.99 on PS/Xbox game that I beat in 4 days 7) Less money on my cellphone bill because most of my friends are on TS :) 8) MOST IMPORTANTLY: EVE ADDICTION COST LESS THAN DRUG ADDICTION. THATS WORTH THE SUBCRIPTION IN ITSELF. Nr 5) aint all true tho :) i buy alot of beer for some mining ops Sign and let¦s help the Mac user¦s come aboard our grate spaceship! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eve2106/petition.html
Kaalise	Posted - 2005.06.20 11:12:00 - [57] Edited by: Kaalise on 20/06/2005 11:12:20 Originally by: Typherin laidai [..quotes..] Right... /emote declares war on the UK It's got nothing to do with us, we pay in dollars not Euros and don't have to bother with VAT. Blame belgium if you have to blame anyone .+ (_) Fetch the holy hand grenade
00Dead	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:02:00 - [58] I am from the UK and would love to pay in dollars, only seems to offer Euro's for me tho.
Sean Drake	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:05:00 - [59] Edited by: Sean Drake on 20/06/2005 12:06:01 Hi i wanted to play this game so badly i went and got a credit card so i could sign up.Well worth it i am from uk and i think my bill is in dollars could be wrong as i seem to have lost my last bill.which reminds me i had better get off the forums and go and pay it
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Kaalise Edited by: Kaalise on 20/06/2005 11:12:20 Originally by: Typherin laidai [..quotes..] Right... /emote declares war on the UK It's got nothing to do with us, we pay in dollars not Euros and don't have to bother with VAT. Blame belgium if you have to blame anyone UK Customers are billed in Euros as with other EU customers. We were originally billed in US $, but when they brought in the change for VAT, we moved to Euros. If your account is still being billed in $, you're a lucky mistake in the system.
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.20 12:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Shonen Edited by: Shonen on 19/06/2005 12:20:08 Originally by: Bastogne Odd, I'm paying $14.95 a month. Also, tens of thousands of us pay every month, and it's totally worth it to us. I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction? Because Neverwinter could be stand alone if you wanted it and also you didnt have to have a big infrastructure to keep it going you could play on some guys server that he runs out of his home, so no fee. EVE has employee's dedicated to you as a consumer to making sure you have a good game experience. They also provide a HUGE infrastructure for you to play on that can handle 1000's of payers at any one time. So you see if you play a game like EVE you have to expect some cost otherwise the game prob would not be as cool as it is now.
TheNecromancer	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:05:00 - [62] maybe the right question is..is any game worth it..but if any is worth it ..EVE is among them :)
Tenashi	Posted - 2005.06.20 13:24:00 - [63] i`ll keep it simple for the poster YES Everlasting Vendetta - EVE Search
Ky Vatta	Posted - 2005.06.20 14:04:00 - [64] Yes, this game is worth it (and not very expensive really, either)
Hal2	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:11:00 - [65] Two accounts, started out with one, found out how much fun it was but hard to do things if others weren't on, willing to be your hauling slave. Started second account for hauling slave. Cross-trained so one account is strong in some areas (I.E. building), second account is strong in others (I.E. Selling/trade). Just repaid my sub fee yesterday
Kaalise	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Genevieve Blue Originally by: Kaalise Edited by: Kaalise on 20/06/2005 11:12:20 Originally by: Typherin laidai [..quotes..] Right... /emote declares war on the UK It's got nothing to do with us, we pay in dollars not Euros and don't have to bother with VAT. Blame belgium if you have to blame anyone UK Customers are billed in Euros as with other EU customers. We were originally billed in US $, but when they brought in the change for VAT, we moved to Euros. If your account is still being billed in $, you're a lucky mistake in the system. How long ago was the change? It's just I only started up 3 and a half months ago. That was however from an old CD key account that I never used due to the graphics card I had at the time not liking Eve so I suppose that might explain it. .+ (_) Fetch the holy hand grenade
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:29:00 - [67] This is, oddly, an interesting topic. :) Myself, I find it worth the money, yes. For one, it keeps me occupied with one game instead of buying a bunch of single player games that I'll finish in a couple of days then they gather dust. So for that reason alone, it can be worth paying to play a single game for the long term. But the question was, is EVE worth it. I think everyone who's played it long term has had their moments where they put the game down for a time. But I think the variety of features and the awesome community here is worth it. That's just my 0.02 isk. But who really respects my opinion anyway. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:56:00 - [68] Originally by: Kaalise Originally by: Genevieve Blue Originally by: Kaalise Edited by: Kaalise on 20/06/2005 11:12:20 Originally by: Typherin laidai [..quotes..] Right... /emote declares war on the UK It's got nothing to do with us, we pay in dollars not Euros and don't have to bother with VAT. Blame belgium if you have to blame anyone UK Customers are billed in Euros as with other EU customers. We were originally billed in US $, but when they brought in the change for VAT, we moved to Euros. If your account is still being billed in $, you're a lucky mistake in the system. How long ago was the change? It's just I only started up 3 and a half months ago. That was however from an old CD key account that I never used due to the graphics card I had at the time not liking Eve so I suppose that might explain it. Well over a year ago I think. I've run accounts from June 2003 and they changed from billing my card in $ (converted to sterling) to Euros (converted to sterling) automatically when they announced the billing change. Newer accounts for me have also automatically charged as Euros. I suppose if your payment details were entered back before the change, and then the account only recently reactivated, it might not have been converted while it was closed, though that would have to assume you haven't altered your card details in the period either.
kieron	Posted - 2005.06.21 01:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. Good to hear that you are enjoying your EVE trial. As for your question, I felt much the same about paying $10/month for a game subscription back in '97. On a college student's budget and not knowing how much time I would get to play, I thought I would never pay for a sub. A couple months later, I was given a game for Christmas and have been paying anywhere between $10 and $30 per month for different games since. Most of the different forms of entertainment have seen a dramatic increase in price over the past decade. A $4 movie now is anywhere between $8-$13. Dinner for two can be upwards of $25 is you and your date are eating cheap. Paperbacks have gone from $3.50 to $7 or more. In most cases, entertainment prices have increased by 100% or more over 10 years, MMOG subs are closer to 50%. Is it worth it? That depends on you, what you enjoy, what you can afford and if you think it is worthwhile. That's one of the reasons why CCP offers 14 day trials. You're sure not spending $50 for a retail box on a game that you may or may not like. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2005.06.21 02:00:00 - [70] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. I pay per 6 months. $70 I think. So just over $10 a month. Compared to the (say) $40 per new game, and the $2 per hour it costs you, the current price is nothing. Couple of hours an evening, maybe 5 hours at the weekend, that's say 10 hours a week. 40 hours a month. 25 cents per hour. Sounds fair to me.
Nemesiss	Posted - 2005.06.21 06:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. YES, its worth it. /Nemesiss
Plib	Posted - 2005.06.21 06:58:00 - [72] Originally by: 00Dead I am from the UK and would love to pay in dollars, only seems to offer Euro's for me tho. I have two accounts. One is being paid in Sterling the other in Dollars. I have no idea why
RatBoy Deblade	Posted - 2005.06.21 07:15:00 - [73] Its surely worth the money, right now im trying out wow on a trial account, since my friends says eve is a bad game, boring game with nothing to do in it. But i disagree. So far nothing in other games have got me so hooked as EVE. Just wished i had the cash to go to the eve fanfest. I want to be an eve-groupie Im not very rich myself but for the total entertainmentvalue this game give you, hell yeah!
Sirilonwe	Posted - 2005.06.21 08:26:00 - [74] Since I have EVE, i didn't: - bought HL2 : 50Ç saved - bought Doom3 : 50Ç saved - played WoW : priceless ^^ (no i don't wanna play with 14 years old kids which think that they're the best and that you're crap, even if you beat them) - Saw movie like spiderman(no, I really don't like thoses movies from comics... maybe cause I don't like comics? well yes ^^): maybe like 80 Ç saved And I'm not a EVE hardcore player. I play something like 1 hour per day, maybe 4 hours the weekend. (The rest of the time, I code or I play Guild Wars, Warcraft 3, UT2004). _______________________ Forums DSU
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.06.21 08:44:00 - [75] There are only two games you will ever need. 1)Eve 2)Half Life 2 (so you can play CS:S during downtime). I used to average a game or two per month, so Eve has actully saved me money. And that includes going to the fanfest and making the mistake of getting the first round of beers in (How much?!!!).
mahhy	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:38:00 - [76] Originally by: kieron Paperbacks have gone from $3.50 to $7 or more. I hate that. I still have my orignal Dragonlance paperbacks, with price tags still attached: $2.50. Now I pay around $9 for a decent book. To OP: yes.
dimensionZ	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:41:00 - [77] Originally by: Gunstar Zero There are only two games you will ever need. 1)Eve 2)Half Life 2 (so you can play CS:S during downtime). I used to average a game or two per month, so Eve has actully saved me money. And that includes going to the fanfest and making the mistake of getting the first round of beers in (How much?!!!). word. Even if you do sux at cs:s, gunny. ----------------------------------------
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:47:00 - [78] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: kieron Paperbacks have gone from $3.50 to $7 or more. I hate that. I still have my orignal Dragonlance paperbacks, with price tags still attached: $2.50. Now I pay around $9 for a decent book. To OP: yes. US is still often cheaper than the UK, imho. The number of US published books I've seen or bought that are converted at or near $1=ú1 on prices are too numerous to mention. Not to mention suppliers like Amazon.co.uk now usually offering the US editions over the UK prints to save on their own costs. I now buy elsewhere as much as possible, to ensure UK editions and to help reduce the confusion. I cannot tell you how frustrating it is when US/UK editions are published with different titles, or where series are even split up differently (a UK author's 2 book set was published as a trilogy in the US, leading to much disappointment when Amazon.co.uk claimed to have the 3rd book in the set, only for it to be a US edition containing 1/2 a book you've already read.)
infused	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:50:00 - [79] I look at it this way... I run my own business, when a customer has to question the amount I charge, I instantly leave. If you are questioning the price, this game isn't for you. You will probably end up quitting in a few months. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:51:00 - [80] Originally by: dimensionZ Originally by: Gunstar Zero There are only two games you will ever need. 1)Eve 2)Half Life 2 (so you can play CS:S during downtime). I used to average a game or two per month, so Eve has actully saved me money. And that includes going to the fanfest and making the mistake of getting the first round of beers in (How much?!!!). word. Even if you do sux at cs:s, gunny. ph33r my P90
Hella May	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:00:00 - [81] Edited by: Hella May on 21/06/2005 12:24:07 Edited by: Hella May on 21/06/2005 12:23:52 Valid point below: Shouldnt post exploits Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:19:00 - [82] Originally by: Hella May Edited by: Hella May on 21/06/2005 12:00:48 Originally by: Genevieve Blue Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Larno It's $19.95 for the first month, then $14.95 for each month after that. The different billing intervals give you: 12 months @ 10.95/month 6 months @ 11.95/month 3 months @ 12.95/month 1 month @ 14.95/month And you should think yourself lucky. We europeans have to pay in Euros which costs us 22.4% more than those paying in dollars. Are you being serious that we pay more ? Thats proper bull**** ! I pay for 3 accounts ... hmmm time to move abroad me thinks Sadly, the EU dictates that any electronic supply made to a customer in the EU, even from outside, should be subject to VAT. As a result, CCP charge EU players in Euros and everyone else in dollars. The impact of VAT and the slight movements in exchange rates differing between USD and Euros are what makes it more. CCP don't earn more off us, they just have to add VAT on the price. Do what I do.... change my address from 'UK' to 'America' - that way i am charged in dollars and my credit card company convert to ú. /me suspects the billing dept is going to pwn you. smart move posting it in general discussion ofc.
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:29:00 - [83] Tax evasion is bad. I hope billing pass your details on to the authorities. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Rutherford	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:32:00 - [84] I would pay more! This game is great and it keeps getting better. I have 2 accounts and am seriously considering acquiring another. Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much.
FileCop AI	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:45:00 - [85] No, it's not worth it, but I'm addicted. Instead I pay for 3 accounts every month ;) FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:51:00 - [86] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 12:51:49 Quote: No, it's not worth it, but I'm addicted. Instead I pay for 3 accounts every month ;) Dude, go 12 month increments! I have 3 accounts as well... 3 accounts x $131.40 = $394.20/year I save $144.00/year! My GF cost's me at least $50/week I'm losing $2,600.00/year because of my GF, but saving $144.00/year because of EVE ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Xaeon	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 12:51:49 Quote: No, it's not worth it, but I'm addicted. Instead I pay for 3 accounts every month ;) Dude, go 12 month increments! I have 3 accounts as well... 3 accounts x $131.40 = $394.20/year I save $144.00/year! My GF cost's me at least $50/week I'm losing $2,600.00/year because of my GF, but saving $144.00/year because of EVE That must be some of the greatest use of statistics I've ever seen V.wd dude
F'nog	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:48:00 - [88] I blame Sony. They raised the bar when they charged $14.95/month for SWG. Now everyone's followed suit.
Kaalise	Posted - 2005.06.21 22:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Genevieve Blue Paypal? Does that mean you're using a Pay-by-cash option? Because I guess that might alter things slightly. I was, but now I'm using Visa .+ (_) Fetch the holy hand grenade
Lanu	Posted - 2005.06.21 22:58:00 - [90] Trust me it is worth it. I can tell after 2 years of playing with multiple acounts. boo "You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
true sight	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:42:00 - [91] Originally by: Death Merchant This game has saved me so much money. 8) MOST IMPORTANTLY: EVE ADDICTION COST LESS THAN DRUG ADDICTION. THATS WORTH THE SUBCRIPTION IN ITSELF. And eve Addiction has no long lasting effects.......... twitches ... I hope
Khargos	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:43:00 - [92] it depends on if you like pvp or not tbh, the way this game is headed PvE will gradually be phased out.
true sight	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:47:00 - [93] Originally by: Tamur Originally by: Khonsu 'This much'? I think MMORPGS are the absolutely cheapest form of entertainment you can buy, at least where I live, and definitely worth it. I seriously can't think of any form of entertainment that's even close to this cheap. One movie is $12.50, and that only lasts 1 1/2 hours. You sir clearly haven't been to Amsterdam... ROFL!!!!!!!
Phony v2	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:48:00 - [94] yes _______________________________________________ Yes, in the back, the retard with the dumb question?
kbullet	Posted - 2005.06.22 01:43:00 - [95] look at it this way, every hobby has its cost, Golf u have to pay for golf clubs, membership etc. same with many other sports,but eve/mmorpg is a cheaper hobby than anything else =) so i'd rather pay 14.99 instead of 200 a month for my snooker membership/playtime --- Give me liberty or give me death!
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.06.22 01:59:00 - [96] I don't even play, I think Eve is crap at the moment. Oveur's dev blogs leave me feeling moist around the groinal area.. but until then I'm sticking with WoW. But, you just gotta keep on skillin'. I pay to to skill. :( ----- ----- -----
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2005.06.22 05:41:00 - [97] I can say I enjoy EVE yes. And sincerely, even if sometimes I hate EVE because of stupid changes cought lenses damage that havent been roled back like other ammos cought I could say its better than other lame MMORPG's where u are invincible, u can only be attacked if u want to, where u want to, and even if u die, absolutely nothing is changed. I also payed in dollars and not in EURO. Good thing Romania have both dollar and euro currency besides the national currency ^_^. So I chosed a dollar card, and I pay in dollars, heheheh _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.22 05:55:00 - [98] Originally by: Khargos it depends on if you like pvp or not tbh, the way this game is headed PvE will gradually be phased out. Funny, I could swear that we are heading to better and pure PvP action where PvE is there just to grind some money _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.06.22 09:21:00 - [99] One of my reasons to why I don't play WoW is that you don't really die there, well you do but you won't loose anything not as I have understood it. I got several friends who used to play EvE online and some still got their accounts here but have gone off to WoW... and to be honest I don't think we will see them here anylonger but who knows. They have tried to recruit me into WoW but I just refuse to and explain it with that I don't want to play that game as it does not cost me anything if I do a mistake and die, unlike in EVE where I frequently looses battleships and such Even that I tought that my very first battleship was hard, and had problems with how I was to tell my corpmate about that !!!! LOL. EVE is by far the best onlinegame I got now, okey I admit it ... I bought Battlefield 2 yesterday so I will most likly play that too!!!! hehe but still I seriously doubt that I will find another game that keeps me playing it almost every day for one and a half year!!!!!! Oh and those of you europeans paying VAT... move to a non EU country !!! like Iceland, Norway ... and such hehe. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Monty Burns	Posted - 2005.06.22 09:29:00 - [100] "Is EVE really worth paying this much for?" Yup. I pay it twice. Darwin 4tw
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.22 10:08:00 - [101] I pay it sice 1.6 years now, pay twice sice a year... This answer the question...
widgetman	Posted - 2005.06.22 11:12:00 - [102] What ****es me off is that im from the UK, we are NOT in the EU currency , yet we have to pay more with the euro being our payment ????????? Why cant we pay in Dollars also??? We should have the choice i think?????? So If we all pay in Euro.then we should get 22% more time on EVE........... Anyone in the world can pay in any currency, so why make UK pay in Euros
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.23 05:44:00 - [103] Originally by: widgetman What ***es me off is that im from the UK, we are NOT in the EU currency , yet we have to pay more with the euro being our payment ????????? Why cant we pay in Dollars also??? We should have the choice i think?????? So If we all pay in Euro.then we should get 22% more time on EVE........... Anyone in the world can pay in any currency, so why make UK pay in Euros Silly englishman, it's not because of EUROS but because of EU and 22% VAT TAX LAW! Beside, your fsked up country anyway . I read yesterday that DHL refuses to deliver packages to eastern london because its more dangerous than Irak. And you guys are in EU .. whoa they let in anyone these days _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!*" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.06.23 10:38:00 - [104] Originally by: Kuolematon I read yesterday that DHL refuses to deliver packages to eastern london because its more dangerous than Irak. And you guys are in EU .. whoa they let in anyone these days In other word... USA invaded the wrong country ??? LOL. My brother felt very safe in london when he was there, and he lived in a arabic part of the city and felt that ... hey they never going to bomb this place!!! ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:44:00 - [105] Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 23/06/2005 11:44:01 Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: widgetman What ****es me off is that im from the UK, we are NOT in the EU currency , yet we have to pay more with the euro being our payment ????????? Why cant we pay in Dollars also??? We should have the choice i think?????? So If we all pay in Euro.then we should get 22% more time on EVE........... Anyone in the world can pay in any currency, so why make UK pay in Euros Silly englishman, it's not because of EUROS but because of EU and 22% VAT TAX LAW! Indeed, this is correct. CCP have chosen, for the sake of convenience and reduced transaction costs I assume, to bill all EU citizens in Euros. The increased cost of subscription, however, is not a reflection of that, but of VAT, which is charged across the EU, not just in countries that use the Euro. There is, of course, a small amount of difference resulting because of exchange rates being different for the Euro and the Dollar, but overall this is slight compared to the VAT.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:51:00 - [106] I hate VAT... If I would know this, I would voted NO for Hungary joining EU.. (j/k)
KazTraZ	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:55:00 - [107] Quote: Indeed, this is correct. CCP have chosen, for the sake of convenience and reduced transaction costs I assume, to bill all EU citizens in Euros. The increased cost of subscription, however, is not a reflection of that, but of VAT, which is charged across the EU, not just in countries that use the Euro. Not all true :) we here in Iceland pay in icelandic :) ISK (if we use the gamecards) but in $ if we use CreditCards so not every EU country pay¦s in Euro not true mate
Skeeve	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:07:00 - [108] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. The question is rather MooT actually... and very subjective.. If the game is worth it to the Player.. they will pay .. I've no doubt some people would pay 20 - 30 dollars they like it so much. Granted the playerbase would most likely shrink like a snowball on a hot stove.. but you'd still get hardcore players shelling out coinage at that level. IMO - $14+ is a bit on the high side. .but I'm still playing.. so I must either be an Eve addict (likely) or just plain stoopid.. (even more likely) "SHOW US YOUR HOOTERS!" - traditional greeting at the Annual Owl Fanciers Convention
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:46:00 - [109] Originally by: Shonen Edited by: Shonen on 19/06/2005 12:20:08 Originally by: Bastogne Odd, I'm paying $14.95 a month. Also, tens of thousands of us pay every month, and it's totally worth it to us. I've just never paid to play a game once I've already paid to own it. Granted, this is different since the client is free, but I wouldn't mind paying $50 to get the game and then not have any subscription fees after that. I played Neverwinter Nights online for a few years and that didn't cost me jack, and that was great fun. Why can't games keep going in that direction? That wouldnt cover costs. Nwverwinter Nights has a COMPLETELY different economic model. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.06.23 14:05:00 - [110] Originally by: KazTraZ Quote: Indeed, this is correct. CCP have chosen, for the sake of convenience and reduced transaction costs I assume, to bill all EU citizens in Euros. The increased cost of subscription, however, is not a reflection of that, but of VAT, which is charged across the EU, not just in countries that use the Euro. Not all true :) we here in Iceland pay in icelandic :) ISK (if we use the gamecards) but in $ if we use CreditCards so not every EU country pay¦s in Euro not true mate You might want to re-check which countries are members of the EU, and which are just in Europe.
slip66	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:43:00 - [111] Originally by: Shonen I'm new, I'm on a trial account. I love the game; I'm having a great time. But $20 a month? That is absolutely absurd. I can't believe how many people are willing to pay that much to play a game. Game developers should be ashamed of themselves for charging so much. You can pay 20$ a month or spend 60$ to 100$ on new video games a month. You cant win eve and it changes allot, the game play, the stories, the player politics,HUGE multi person battles (not just 20v20 like most multi player games) friendships and rivalries.. Thats what you get for 14-20$
Badshah	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:04:00 - [112] Edited by: Badshah on 23/06/2005 16:04:38 If you have played EVE as a trial account and are asking, "Is EVE worth paying this much" then I would suggest, not for you. I pay for 3 accounts and the question never enters my head. Go figure. By the way, paid monthly, I pay 14.95 per month. I paid for 1 year on one account so I think that one was about 9.95 per month. Do you have a job? Just wondering... Just me, Bad

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