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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul [If you bother to read the thread, you'll see I've answered that already.
Your (ASCN) continued repeating of things (over and over and...) *still* doesnt make them true.
Oh I saw your response, it was your (FA) continued repeating (over and over and...) of your unreasonable demand to control how and when we decide how we wish to run our alliance. without FA's hand in the mix.
Originally by: TornSoul [Well yes?
You put down an obstacle to us. We didnt like it, and asked you to remove it, or we would ourself.
Whats so strange (and apparently 'nasty') about that concept???
Well now the obastacle isn't removed is it? Cause SE can take 2 or 3 pvper's into ASCN space and meet up with 30-40+ ASCN ones that would actively love to kill you now, wheras before today, most wouldn't have cared. Instead of removing a possible obstacle, you've created a permanent one.
Originally by: TornSoul Err no... I've several times said "Fair game" (that you didnt want to remove what we saw as an obstacle to us)
What I *am* calling unreasonable on your part, is your continued claim about beeing neutral.
That my friend, is what nobody is buying.
We didn't care about your war... really, honestly didn't give a flying rat's behind. That's about as neutral as it gets. You honestly didn't matter to us. I'm pretty sure IF and WHEN SE tried to hide from you in our space (which has yet to happen btw) then we would have closed our borders to them, as we don't consider ASCN a safehaven for anyone else. However we make decisions on OUR timetable, not yours.
Originally by: TornSoul
Well you knew the consequences, I'm glad your happy about the outcome.
Maybe we should just have skipped the first part and gone straight to a war dec?
You where given fair notice of what would happen unless the situation was resolved - Dont come complaining about that now.
LOL... this statement totally ignores the fact that we were Neutral, didn't want to get involved... but you seem incapable of grasping that simple concept. I'm not complaining... what I'm doing is pointing out the absurdity of your actions, by instigating the very obstacle you say you didn't want in the first place. lol.
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Anubis Jones
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:21:00 -
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While can see how you folks up North may view it as taking sides think of it this way....
A woman you work with is having an affair at the office.
You dont really know this woman. The guys at work tend to agree that she is 'kinda creepy'. You say 'Hi'to her in the morning and that is about it. Sure it's not much for sitting next to her 40 hours a week but man! do you see how many songs fit on an iPod?
So there you are with your work friend typing an all important memo when she asks if she can use your house to carry on her affair. You briefly consider the good points of letting that happen but after thinking about it for 2 more seconds its just not something you need right now.
Now your work friend is mad. Since you didn't allow her to use her house she is going to try and burn it down.....
So agree to disagree 4tw. Lets fight!
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:23:00 -
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This made me chuckle a lot.
If ASCN find any FA sticking their noses out in empire please advise BNC and we will happily lop them off for you
Eve Blacklight Style
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
what I'm doing is pointing out the absurdity of your actions, by instigating the very obstacle you say you didn't want in the first place. lol.
Hmm let me see.
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
And for the love of God, would you stop your neutrality babble. It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
It may well be that you couldnt care less about the FA/SE conflict - That however does NOT make you neutral, considering everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
BIG Lottery
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Differance is, now we will actually get groups to do this, and we will be watching for you. Before we really didn't care, if we seen you we may shoot we may not. Now, WE SHOOT TO KILL.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Sirius A
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius A on 21/06/2005 03:39:42 Who cares about what did happen....Game on!!!!....reporting for duty
Success doesn't come to you...you go to it
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:41:00 -
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Hah, what a balls excuse for starting a war.
Have fun ASCN
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: TornSoul
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Differance is, now we will actually get groups to do this, and we will be watching for you. Before we really didn't care, if we seen you we may shoot we may not. Now, WE SHOOT TO KILL.
Erhem... "Neutrals will be shot" - as in defending your space etc. Remember Steel Rats nice pic
BIG Lottery
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:45:00 -
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And again, yes that is true to a point. We don't go around looking for them though. We don't get 30+ members together to look for them. So if you did come across our land, we probably wouldn't go around hunting you, and if we did find you, we would probably escort you out. But now, we will be looking, now we won't be escorting, and now we will get 30+ members to do this. And again, these are my thoughts not DDC's nor the alliance. I am glad to have more targets, hope you don't just stick in empire though, I don't get much chance to get out that way.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: AfterShock We finally get to return those damn knives we had to get removed from our backs.
Errrrrrrr Hmmmmmmmmmm
No m8
I belive the reason the war dec exists is so the knifes can be stuck into ur chest, how do you conclude that you have been backstabbed in this?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 21/06/2005 04:00:33 Edited by: TornSoul on 21/06/2005 03:57:12 Hmm I might have to disappoint you there a bit DeathGrip.
ASCN will merely be a 'target of oppertunity' - Our real goal is still SE.
Dont expect any invasion - Your space has no interest to us, except when needed for hunting SE's (as you wont deny them access by setting them to neutral - So the conflict could be contained)
And as said - As a 'target of oppertunity' now. And you can expect to find us both in empire *and* in 0.0. We have groups taking care of both places.
However by doing the formal war decleration we leave no doubt of our intentions to shoot you if we encounter you.
As it should be.
BIG Lottery
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: TornSoul You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
How many 0.0 alliances out there permit the presence of neutrals within the territory that they claim? Does FA?
Just a thought.
/Ben
I think the point is that 1 side (SE) were allowed into that territory and the other wernt able to pursue (FA).
Createing a "political safehaven" if you like, ofc if the space owner in question is frendly towards SE, then no1 can choose there frends for them but if the enemy of my enemy is my frend, then surely the frend of my enemy is my enemy?
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:15:00 -
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FA is like those little 'ankle biter' dogs tbh.
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Richard Dawkins
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Darkrydar FA is like those little 'ankle biter' dogs tbh.
Thank you for your enlightening insight into the matter.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul Hmm let me see.
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Ok, I really thought you'd get this by now.
Before War Dec: We'd shoot you in our space.
After War Dec : We'll Shoot you in our space. We'll Shoot you in neutral space. We'll shoot you in your space. I'll even help SE shoot you in their space if they want.
I'd say that's a huge difference.
Originally by: TornSoul
And for the love of God, would you stop your neutrality babble. It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
It may well be that you couldnt care less about the FA/SE conflict - That however does NOT make you neutral, considering everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
Ok, apparently you didn't get it the first time, so I'll stick your own words back in your mouth again.
For the love of God, would you stop your "you're not neutral" babble. It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
We really didn't care less about the FA/SE conflict - That actually DID make us neutral, despite how you twist everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
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TheUnkown
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:26:00 -
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So basically the point is..
U want us to stop letting SE in our space
And that would be the end of your dea...I mean the end of this war..
Is that IT??
P.S. a simple yes or NO would be enough I WILL NOT LOSE...Always KILL...Never KILLED |
KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:31:00 -
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Tornsoul, I really wonder if someone has hacked your account and started spewing this, because this really doesn't sound like you.... In all my dealings you've always been a halfway intelligent person, but I'm really at a loss to words.
Let's try a story with some metaphors to explain a bit better:
There's this big German Shepard that lives on this one block. He doesn't really give a flying feeyock what goes on any other block. He does however like to go get tasty steak on a shi-tzu's block on occasion. In return, he let's the shi-tzu roll through his block on occasion. Now, Let's say a poodle from another block across the hood decides to pick a fight with the shi-tzu. THE GERMAN SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS FIGHT. He's perfectly content watching the fireworks and going to get his dogfood on occasion.
Now the poodle strolls over to the german shepard and says "you shouldn't let the shi-tzu pass through here or I'll beat you up" The german shepard of course laughs and says "all I want is the dog food in the shi-tzu's block, and I let him pass by here.. as far as you, you have nothing I want or care about, so don't come back on my turf or I'll whoop you"
The poodle then decides the german shepard is a threat sitting in his block chewing on his bone, so he pays some beefy steaks to a doberman and a rawtweiler to go attack the german shepard and then declares the german shepard the one at fault for "not remaining neutral in the conflict between the poodle and the shi-tzu."
After all this, the German Shepard STILL DOES NOT CARE about anything other than his own block, he now just has a reason, if he gets bored, to go to other blocks and kick the snot out of the silly little poodle and his hired dogs.
So you see boys and girls, the moral of the story is most sleeping dogs just like to sit around and sleep.. and are quite content to do so. But if you go up and kick them, expect to get your head bit off.
Do you really think you scare us? LOL.. seriously, I would have considered a 1 Billion ISK buy off to close our borders with more sincerity than a war declaration from FA. Bring it on, and keep paying your mercs well, They deserve every penny of it
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:49:00 -
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Druid, unfortunately I don't think tornsoul will get that. I think Steel should draw another picture to explain things. Seems to be the only thing Tornsoul gets is the crayon drawings -------------------
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:53:00 -
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I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
It was worth a shot
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul ASCN will merely be a 'target of oppertunity' - Our real goal is still SE.
Bad move, Tornsoul. Bad move. As an outside observer, it seems to me that instead of being attacked occasionally as neutrals invading someone else's space, you're now going to be actively hunted as a warring alliance. So now instead of fighting your single enemy with some pesky fighters taking pot-shots at you, you have two vast enemy fleets actively trying to repel an invasion on the same space, both of which have the home advantage.
Perhaps you prefer everything to be nice and black and white but you've just given your enemy a reason to prepare for a full-scale assault on their space. You could attack them with or without declaring your intentions. The only thing this post has done is raise awareness and give them warning that you're coming with plenty of time to prepare. That is why I believe it was a tactical error. You had better have at least a hundred pilots invading at the one stargate, because you're fighting a very steep uphill battle here and the only way you're going to win is by overwhelming force.
Good luck, though. It will be interesting to see the killsheets over the coming weeks.
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv I keep hearing ASCN left XETIC to "be strong". And preceded to declare neutrality to all the greater forces invading them. Take it from someone who has been in FA from near it's beginning, peace does nothing to make alliances stronger. Peace is nothing but a force of decay. We will not sit by and see our targets flee into your space, to wait for meetings to conclude. We have played that path to it's conclusion and it leads nowhere.
We've been pretty much constantly fighting since we left xetic. There was a little downtime in there, But for the most part it's been constant blasting stuff.
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HKZ1
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: KSUDruid I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
It was worth a shot
Seems pictures speak volumes
Let me show you one of mine
Now do you get why they war dec you?
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CdCommander
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:42:00 -
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I am happy to report ASCN Forces, Have today made the first stike in the war with The Fountain Alliance, at around 03:35 EVT roughly 19 hours before the war with the two alliances could be fought, a ASCN frigate task force, broke through the well known Fountain blockades and proceded deeper into the Fountain Region.
Losses for the ASCN forces are very low compared to what fountain has sustained during this attack.
So far FA Deffence Forces have lost A Scorpion Class Battleship A Crusader Class Interceptor A Malieiction Class Interceptor
So far few ASCN pilots have been pod-killed, and many continue to fight for the acsendancy againist The Fountain Alliance
The ASCN Task Group Leader Drakma had this to say oce he found a place to transmit "We did this out of pride (and boredome). We were first strike strictly to show them how this war was going to be run. Not on their terms, but on ours."
Has the 2 titans of the galaxy prepare for war, the many citizens of the world begin to turn their eyes to the West and the South.
(In other words, ASCN made the first strike too bad for fountain but its all in good fun at the end of the day)
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Apocalypse2005
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:46:00 -
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Enuf talk, Deth to ALL!
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:51:00 -
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Oh my God. Are you going to spin every few ganks on the forums?
Lets try to keep it where it belongs and off the forums, unless one of has the urge to surrender or something.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv Oh my God. Are you going to spin every few ganks on the forums?
Lets try to keep it where it belongs and off the forums, unless one of has the urge to surrender or something.
Funny, you lot weren't singing that song a few months ago when you ganked Rawthorm's CNR, that was worthy of a whole separate thread entirely, versus an in-thread mentioning.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:54:00 -
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Why? You getting the urge to surrender already?
You started this fight, tell your people in YZ (especially the scorpion with 6 sensor booster2s, lol) to cut the smack and put up. You started this fight, don't complain cause six hours later we're already ganking people in your backyard...
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Band Zior
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:59:00 -
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It was CNR, not a scorp and an inty.
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Drakma
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid Why? You getting the urge to surrender already?
You started this fight, tell your people in YZ (especially the scorpion with 6 sensor booster2s, lol) to cut the smack and put up. You started this fight, don't complain cause six hours later we're already ganking people in your backyard...
Backyard? I think we're in their living room... maybe kitchen... but definately INSIDE the house.
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