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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:42:00 -
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FA has declared formal IGA war on ASCN.
It will be in effect 24 hours from now.
It's in ASCN's power to end this at anytime.
They know our conditions.
Lets have some good clean fights.
BIG Lottery
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:43:00 -
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I appreciate the opportunity. Let's keep it clean and fun 
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:47:00 -
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Let the fun begin 
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:49:00 -
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Any hunch for us outsides why it started?
Because i can hardly believe that FA is thßt war hungry.
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Neoscar
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:51:00 -
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I feel slightly concerned for FA if they feel this war hungry, because a large portion of our alliance down in 0.0 has been engaging in target practice for the past several weeks and are getting tired of destroying and looting npcs.
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reaTh
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:51:00 -
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maybe cos tornsouls e peen was shorted by a post from a ddc here Linky
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:53:00 -
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The pic by Steel Rat was hilarious - Even I had to laugh - Although it was on my expense 
Has nothing to do with it though
BIG Lottery
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:55:00 -
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So what did have to do with it?
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:56:00 -
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Didn't see that coming at all
Seriously
I didn't
Anyway both sides have fun
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.06.20 20:57:00 -
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 Originally by: AvanCade
So what did have to do with it?
VC can't stand on their own feet, mommy TornSoul is needed.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:00:00 -
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I was having a little bet going on Amthrianius, on which one of these you'd pull out of the hat first
1: FA set VC up to it
2: VC needs help, and FA is giving it.
Thanks for settling the bet.
BIG Lottery
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:12:00 -
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So there you have it... FA declares a war because... We destroyed some of them? Nope. We are hostile to them? Nope. We threatened them? Nope. They want our space? They say nope.
Basically looks like "Neutrality isn't good enough, you take our side or we'll dec you." despite the fact that we have no interest in their war. Load of garbage if you asked me... but if you wanted a much rougher time of it... you just guaranteed it.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:14:00 -
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Well, it does seem a bit odd don't you think, lets see who VC tries it on next and put bets on if FA does again.
But anyway, have fun im sure you will and on the plus side ascn space is closer to travel to than pb/ps 
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Vegas
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
So there you have it... FA declares a war because... We destroyed some of them? Nope. We are hostile to them? Nope. We threatened them? Nope. They want our space? They say nope.
Well not quite like you say!
2005.06.15 20:02:00
Victim: Tsunami
Corporation: Rage of Angels
Destroyed Type: Rifter
Solar System: 3GD6-8 <----CATCH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Angelus X (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I
Destroyed items:
Type: 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1MN Afterburner I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: EMP S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 8
Type: EMP S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 8
Type: Reactor Control Unit I (Fitted - Low slot)
As for ASCN not shooting neutrels, You may want to speak with Righteous Fury as ASCN do not claim Catch as a protectorate on the map?
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In Vegas, The house always Wins!! |
TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:24:00 -
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@Adhamhnon
Neutrality is *precisely* what we are after.
We wish to be able to fight our enemies on equal terms.
You have denied us that, and in so doing denied yourselves neutrality.
BIG Lottery
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Adhamhnon on 20/06/2005 21:35:03
Originally by: TornSoul
@Adhamhnon
Neutrality is *precisely* what we are after.
We wish to be able to fight our enemies on equal terms.
You have denied us that, and in so doing denied yourselves neutrality.
We're not the ones issuing a war dec here. Don't see any "ASCN will defend Stain posts" here... the only thing I saw was "NBSI in OUR space." As so artfully illustrated by SteelRat. The only thing I saw was we would not be forced into making any decisions by anyone outside our alliance. Our business is our business. You've decided to force the issue and be the aggressor here... so be it. Don't try an sugarcoat it by saying it's anything but your own aggression, and your expectation of someone else's alliance to do what YOU want. If you want a reason why FA was under siege for so long by so many people, I'd think it's directly proportional to this type of attitude.
Not that I mind having targets though... I'm gonna have some fun with this one.
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Ugluuk
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ugluuk on 20/06/2005 21:30:23
time for Ascn to hire my corp to give em firepower..or wait..they dont need to!
Good luck FA..You will need it
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ http://bydi.digilo.net/evekill/
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vegas
Originally by: Adhamhnon
So there you have it... FA declares a war because... We destroyed some of them? Nope. We are hostile to them? Nope. We threatened them? Nope. They want our space? They say nope.
Well not quite like you say!
2005.06.15 20:02:00
Victim: Tsunami
Corporation: Rage of Angels
Destroyed Type: Rifter
Solar System: 3GD6-8 <----CATCH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Angelus X (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I
Destroyed items:
Type: 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1MN Afterburner I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: EMP S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 8
Type: EMP S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 8
Type: Reactor Control Unit I (Fitted - Low slot)
As for ASCN not shooting neutrels, You may want to speak with Righteous Fury as ASCN do not claim Catch as a protectorate on the map?
Did you contact a DDC representitive for reperations? or any ASCN rep? This is also not sighted as a reason for the war dec.
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:36:00 -
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Damn it TornSoul, fix your sig. That [u has been killing me for ages.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vegas
Originally by: Adhamhnon
So there you have it... FA declares a war because... We destroyed some of them? Nope. We are hostile to them? Nope. We threatened them? Nope. They want our space? They say nope.
Well not quite like you say!
2005.06.15 20:02:00
Victim: Tsunami
Corporation: Rage of Angels
Destroyed Type: Rifter
Solar System: 3GD6-8 <----CATCH
System Security Level: 0.0
As for ASCN not shooting neutrels, You may want to speak with Righteous Fury as ASCN do not claim Catch as a protectorate on the map?
Friendly fire can always happen, besides, killmails don't show who shot first, they only show who lost ;)
Originally by: TornSoul
@Adhamhnon
Neutrality is *precisely* what we are after.
We wish to be able to fight our enemies on equal terms.
You have denied us that, and in so doing denied yourselves neutrality.
LMAO. Your lack of ability to be on neutral terms with SE means that we get a war dec? Don't get me wrong, the war dec is welcome, and finally setting us to -10 is a fair conclussion to the oddball type of diplomacy you've been trying to ram down our throats.
But the 1 sided diplomacy thing just seems a bit lame IMO. It's not our probelm that you couldn't attack SE yourself. Not only that, but you actually took the initiative to war dec us Tornsoul. That goes a bit beyond "what would you guys do if we did X" scenarios.
The fact of the matter is we only had mutual travel rights with SE, and we hunted in their space for a time. If you felt threatened by that, then it's not our problem, it's yours.
You should have at least tried to not straight out "attack" us though, as an alternative to a peaceful co-existence, but you made that call, not us.
Game on \o/
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:38:00 -
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It's my silent protest against the 200 char limit on sigs - It'll stay there 'till they fix it (increase it again)
BIG Lottery
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 20/06/2005 21:49:43
Hmm, Does this mean I can't play the lottery any more. Guess I will never be rich. Stupid War 
Oh yea, WOOHOO Targets.
WE ROCK
Edited cuase i forgot to mention that these are my point of views and not the alliance's nor the corps. I think that is what i am suppose to say. 
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
You should have at least tried to not straight out "attack" us though, as an alternative to a peaceful co-existence, but you made that call, not us.
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
Something given our war with SE is/was bound to happen.
Which was what our talks where about.
You put an obstacle in our way - We asked you to remove it.
You wouldnt - Fair enough.
So now we simply remove it ourself.
It's truly that simple.
Remove the obstactle - and the war goes away.
BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:51:00 -
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@DeathGrip
The BIG Lottery has and always will be above and beyond any ingame politics.
Prizes have been paid out to enemies of BIG in the past.
If you win, you win - Regardless what 'side' youre on.
BIG Lottery
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.20 21:59:00 -
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WooHoo, So I can use isk from your lottery and blow you up with it. Joking. GL with the war, I think this will be fun. But then again I like to die and kill a lot.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Krapz
You should have at least tried to not straight out "attack" us though, as an alternative to a peaceful co-existence, but you made that call, not us.
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
Something given our war with SE is/was bound to happen.
Which was what our talks where about.
You put an obstacle in our way - We asked you to remove it.
You wouldnt - Fair enough.
So now we simply remove it ourself.
It's truly that simple.
Remove the obstactle - and the war goes away.
This isn't meant as a bash against SE... we all know they aren't the pvp force they used to be. But what kind of wierd logic thinks it's a good idea that you chase a small group of hostile pvper's (SE possibly running into ASCN space) into a large bored now hostile group of pvper's? And on top of that... encite the large previously neutral group of pvper's to attack YOUR space? If you think this war dec is gonna make us change our minds and give you what you want, think again... what it means is you now have quite possibly a larger hostile force that will actively hunt you and disrupt the original war you wanted an easier time with. Your logic seems a little flawed to me.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Krapz
You should have at least tried to not straight out "attack" us though, as an alternative to a peaceful co-existence, but you made that call, not us.
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
Something given our war with SE is/was bound to happen.
Which was what our talks where about.
You put an obstacle in our way - We asked you to remove it.
You wouldnt - Fair enough.
So now we simply remove it ourself.
It's truly that simple.
Remove the obstactle - and the war goes away.
I agree, BUT, I did my homework lastnight and revisited that chat log ;)
What I said was, if SE continually retreats to our space, then we will close it down completely OR we would open it up to all involved parties.
We will not (did not want to) become involved, and we told you that. Those policies were always up to last minute changes, but that is how we work. We dont have our static "FA diplomacy manual".
So again, that was our policy that we presented at the time of our last convo. If SE retreating to our space was such an issue, you should have come to us and brought the fraps. As it is, I have ZERO recorded incidents of SE ever "retreating" from a combat environment into our space.
Anyways, it's a moot point. The guns can talk now, it's cool.
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pringprang
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:02:00 -
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Finally
Lets hope that lots of fun will be had by all, or at least us anyways. Shooting all these people seriously cuts into my veldspar mining time though, we might have a slight delay getting that outpost up now.
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AfterShock
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:24:00 -
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We finally get to return those damn knives we had to get removed from our backs.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 20/06/2005 22:34:23
Originally by: Adhamhnon
what it means is you now have quite possibly a larger hostile force that will actively hunt you
<snip>
Your logic seems a little flawed to me.
Fun and logic dont always add up. Hell, I've seen people jump of bridges with just a rubber cord tied to their ancles...
Dont underestimate the wabbit, and what it wants
You had the chance, you choose not to use it.
Fair game.
Originally by: Krapz
I agree, BUT, I did my homework lastnight and revisited that chat log ;)
What I said was, if SE continually retreats to our space, then we will close it down completely OR we would open it up to all involved parties.
Indeed you did.
But we simply dont want to wait around any longer for you to make that decission, while you shoot our boys down.
I mean, who knows, you might not even tell us
Originally by: Krapz
If we wanted you to know it, we'd tell you directly. If you invaded SE with everything you had, and asked us what we were gonna do about it, we'd once again tell you, we don't know. We would make our response clear enough, one way or the other, even if that response was nothing at all.
This way, we know what to expect. No surprises.
Sorry Krapz - I know you like your surprises.
BIG Lottery
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 20/06/2005 22:33:09
eep double post
BIG Lottery
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:36:00 -
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Does this mean the warm and fuzzy is gone? jeeze and I was gonna run agetns for the next week too...So much for that idea......Well guess istart hanging out waiting for something to shoot.....
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Don't Call me a Carebear,
I don't really care about much at all.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:52:00 -
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Well, on one hand I find this funny. If FA only did that with MACE against CFS, we would still be kicking ass. On the other hand I again find this funny. At least FA learned their lesson and actually supports their ex-members. GJ.
Kudos and GL if you actually put up a fleet to fight. Will you be leading that fleet, TornSoul or is the lottery drawing and making speeches the only things that you do? No disrespect, but if you talk the talk, you should walk the walk. DonÆt you think? Looking forward to seeing you on the battle field.
P.S. Say hello to my old AFDT boys. I still like them even if I have to shoot them now.
The truth will set you free
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:55:00 -
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Me *leading* a fleet... erhem.. I think I'd get shot by 'accidental' friendly fire, if I ever tried to do that
Theres a reason we have FC's - and that I'm not one of them
BIG Lottery
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.06.20 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Me *leading* a fleet... erhem.. I think I'd get shot by 'accidental' friendly fire, if I ever tried to do that
Theres a reason we have FC's - and that I'm not one of them
LMAO. They would not dare shoot you. hehe. But I would.
There should not be difference between a FC and a Leader of an Alliance in this day and age. Respect is earned on the battle field, not in the board room. ThatÆs my take on the subject and that's why Script and Stan are second to none.
Most problems are always started by the people that donÆt actually do any of the fighting. ItÆs because they donÆt have anything to lose, since all they do are speeches. The leaders that are the first ones in to the fight are the ones that other people will gladly jump to their death with. Not the politicians that hide behind their members guns. ThatÆs why your members are not motivated to fight. They donÆt have that respect for you that comes with leading the fleet.
Try it sometime. There's no shame in dieing if it's for a bigger cause and it will earn you respect from within. And you never know, you might actually like it. Stranger things have happened.
The truth will set you free
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.06.20 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
How many 0.0 alliances out there permit the presence of neutrals within the territory that they claim? Does FA?
Just a thought.
/Ben
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.06.20 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Fun and logic dont always add up. Hell, I've seen people jump of bridges with just a rubber cord tied to their ancles...
about that logic,
the system linking ascn space directly to stain space is about 45 jumps from empire, yet you declare an empire war to make a point, that does not compute
(that and making 40 jumps back and forth between empire and ascn space gets boring after awhile  )
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CdCommander
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Posted - 2005.06.20 23:39:00 -
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LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!
ASCN FTW
This will be a great change from the mercs we got going in empire atm, anyway for those who hired them, you people whoever did got a crap deal on REQUIEM INC, god dam we found one doing missions.
Lets Keep FA v ASCN Clean people
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 23:40:00 -
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@Metal Dude
No where did I say I dont fight and die like the rest - Only that I dont lead the fights.
And about who ppl respect or not : Well, theres a reason why you are in ATUK and not in FA - and those in FA not in ATUK.
Matter of preferences.
@Rexy
Erm... and who says we cant be in two places at once?
"you declare an empire war to make a point, that does not compute"
What, about making a point, doesnt compute?
It's just that : Making a point.
BIG Lottery
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.06.21 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: TornSoul
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
How many 0.0 alliances out there permit the presence of neutrals within the territory that they claim? Does FA?
Just a thought.
/Ben
well just fyi, for the longest time FA allowed many neutrals to pass thru our systems, and to hunt in our space. there was a modest fee(at least if you were npc'ng) but times have changed, and FA has changed, as most of eve is/has changed. Who we fight, How we fight, When we choose to fight will be on our terms now, not at the whim of our adversaries. if you come to our core systems, you most undoubtably notice the majority of personal there either safe spot-log out, and or stay docked. most of our esteemed adversaries will say this is becuase we are weak, or we are cowardly. what I will tell you is, like most alliances we have quite a few people who make things, and mine, and npc, and of course agent run. these will most likly be the people in our core systems, as the mojority of our pvp'rs will be out looking for things to do, not sitting in our core systems waiting for the next blob of sheep to decide to sit in yz-lql. We will hunt what our enemies hunt, its a very simple thing no?
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kbullet
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Posted - 2005.06.21 00:28:00 -
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Good luck and mainly have fun FA!
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Steel Rat
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Posted - 2005.06.21 00:28:00 -
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Well now, wasn't that easy Torn? All this crazy ass bs for the last 2 weeks and alls I had to do was pull out my box of crayons and you got it on the first drawing. :)
Altho I think you are being a little nutz. I mean war deccing someone because they want to keep neutral? Hell, next time I am going to offer to set you to -10, wonder what that gets us.
Kind of funny, we were just sitting in the corner minding our own business and FA has to come along and make our day.
Steel Rat
ASCN Chief Oppressor
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Steel Rat
Well now, wasn't that easy Torn? All this crazy ass bs for the last 2 weeks and alls I had to do was pull out my box of crayons and you got it on the first drawing. :)
I think that pic is going down in EVE history
Originally by: Steel Rat
I mean war deccing someone because they want to keep neutral?
How neutral are you to SE?
You are *not* neutral.
By the shear fact of the obstacle youve put in our way - You can not be.
You can say it a 1000 times if you will - It still doesnt make it true.
You can only claim true neutrailty in the conflict between FA and SE if
- You set SE to neutral (with all what that entails - ie. them, as us, not allowed in your space) -or-
- Allow us to go after SE in your space, without you interfering (ie. shooting us - Because netruals are not allowed in your space)
It's one of the two.
Do that - And you can claim neutrality, and the war goes away.
BIG Lottery
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
How neutral are you to SE?
Uh, well, for starters We've let you two just fight it out. About a month ago we were kinda rolling dice on who to attack, and I think you're kidding yourself if you thought FA's head wasn't on the chopping block. We decided we didn't really have any interest in the fight you and SE had going on, so we stayed out of it. We instead looked north for some fun.
SE is +5 to ASCN, we're +5 to them. They like to pass through our area, we like to hunt in theirs. That's basically it. If you see us just wandering around ignoring your little war going on, great, if you thought we were going to get involved in that war, lol, we really have better things to do.
I must congratulate you on forcing the issue though. I kind of ***** up thinking of this picture I found in a book the other day of a bunny rabbit putting a stapler over a sleeping dogs tail, then proceeding to jump on it. I'm gonna start a "This is tornsoul, copy him into your signature to help him on his way to world domination." See the similarities?
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Leto VanTong
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Leto VanTong on 21/06/2005 01:10:23
Originally by: TornSoul
You wouldnt - Fair enough.
So now we simply remove it ourself.
It's truly that simple.
Remove the obstactle - and the war goes away.
Does "removing things ourself" actually mean "sending a few ships to safespot in your territory"? Because thats pretty much all weve seen in central Stain from FA.
Welcome to the "Toursoul-war-dec'ed-me-for-a-lame-reason" club. |
TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
They like to pass through our area
Erm yes - Excactly...
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Originally by: Leto VanTong
Welcome to the "Toursoul-war-dec'ed-me-for-a-lame-reason" club.
You seem to suffer under the misconception that this was my decission all alone?
And for it beeing a lame reason - Who are you to judge?
If it's good enough a reason for us - Then thats all that matters.
Now go troll somewhere else.
BIG Lottery
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:45:00 -
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We pass through their area, they pass through ours? Uhh... so?
Don't get me wrong my official reaction to FA wardeccing us was a big fat LOL, I'm still just awestruck that you decide to walk over and kick the 400 pound bouncer in the corner in the chins and then claim it's to keep us out of the fight.
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:52:00 -
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Scenario:
1. FA consider ASCN defending their own space from incursions of non-blue as "being an obstacle".
2. FA empire-war-dec "the obstacle".
3. Obstacle appears in FA space.
Good thing I didn't throw away all my Fountain bookmarks, I do think most of them work even if many precede FA itself.
Bad call FA council
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:52:00 -
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I have no idea who to root for  , I dont like either alliance........ah well, have fun with it gents.
Volt
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
We pass through their area, they pass through ours? Uhh... so?
C'mon KSUDruid - I know you're smarter than that - We've had our talks in the past.
But I'll spell it out *once more*
What happens if FA enters ASCN space (to persue&kill SE pilots there)?
Maybe you need to take a look at Steel Rats excellent picture as well.
You've said you'd shoot our boys down if/when they did that.
Guess what - We wont just accept getting shot at by you - We shoot back.
And we already got empire wars - So why not give our boys a little extra to shoot at while we're at it.
All this could so easily have been avoided (and still can - check my two points above! Really thought that would be clear enough for everyone) if only you hadnt kept sticking your head in the ground claiming "We are neutral"
You are damn well not neutral when our enemies can enter your space, and you refuse us to follow and kill them - Under penalty of shooting us down if we do.
*How on earth* the lot of you can keep saying that is beeing neutral is beyond me.
Playing shield for our enemies is not beeing neutral - So can we *please* cut that line out already - It's getting extremly thin...
You are *not* neutral.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: KSUDruid
We pass through their area, they pass through ours? Uhh... so?
C'mon KSUDruid - I know you're smarter than that - We've had our talks in the past.
But I'll spell it out *once more*
What happens if FA enters ASCN space (to persue&kill SE pilots there)?
Maybe you need to take a look at Steel Rats excellent picture as well.
You've said you'd shoot our boys down if/when they did that.
Guess what - We wont just accept getting shot at by you - We shoot back.
And we already got empire wars - So why not give our boys a little extra to shoot at while we're at it.
All this could so easily have been avoided (and still can - check my two points above! Really thought that would be clear enough for everyone) if only you hadnt kept sticking your head in the ground claiming "We are neutral"
You are damn well not neutral when our enemies can enter your space, and you refuse us to follow and kill them - Under penalty of shooting us down if we do.
*How on earth* the lot of you can keep saying that is beeing neutral is beyond me.
Playing shield for our enemies is not beeing neutral - So can we *please* cut that line out already - It's getting extremly thin...
You are *not* neutral.
And I'll spell it out once more for you. Quoted from Krapz from a chat log he had with you. (And he even said it only 1 page ago.)
"What I said was, if SE continually retreats to our space, then we will close it down completely OR we would open it up to all involved parties."
What you're doing is attacking someone for something they haven't even done yet, and using it as an excuse. What you wanted was to exert a little "FA muscle" on us through threats to get us to do what you wanted. When we didn't, you try to intimidate with a war dec and keep saying "But you can end it right now, by doing what we want you to." Then you try and pass it off on the forums that we are being unreasonable about the whole thing. Nobody is buying it.
I'm happy to say that you haven't intimidated us into doing what you want. Cause we were hungry for a target that actually had some real estate of their own, and you just went to the top of the list. See you in Fountain.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
And I'll spell it out once more for you. Quoted from Krapz from a chat log he had with you. (And he even said it only 1 page ago.)
"What I said was, if SE continually retreats to our space, then we will close it down completely OR we would open it up to all involved parties."
If you bother to read the thread, you'll see I've answered that already.
Your (ASCN) continued repeating of things (over and over and...) *still* doesnt make them true.
Originally by: Adhamhnon
What you wanted was to exert a little "FA muscle" on us through threats to get us to do what you wanted. When we didn't, you try to intimidate with a war dec and keep saying "But you can end it right now, by doing what we want you to."
Well yes?
You put down an obstacle to us.
We didnt like it, and asked you to remove it, or we would ourself.
Whats so strange (and apparently 'nasty') about that concept???
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Then you try and pass it off on the forums that we are being unreasonable about the whole thing. Nobody is buying it.
Err no... I've several times said "Fair game" (that you didnt want to remove what we saw as an obstacle to us)
What I *am* calling unreasonable on your part, is your continued claim about beeing neutral.
That my friend, is what nobody is buying.
Originally by: Adhamhnon
I'm happy to say that you haven't intimidated us into doing what you want.
Well you knew the consequences, I'm glad your happy about the outcome.
Maybe we should just have skipped the first part and gone straight to a war dec?
You where given fair notice of what would happen unless the situation was resolved - Dont come complaining about that now.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:45:00 -
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Sorry, I must be dumb or something, because this really appears so simple to me. I just plain do not undersdand what all the fuss is about on ASCN's part...
I do not see how someone (ASCN) can be neutral to a conflict (SE vs FA), if they are friends (SE = +5) of one party and not the other.
Can someone from ASCN please explain this for me?
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:49:00 -
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We didn't engage FA fleets in Stain or Fountain or neutral space.
Good enough jamesw?
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dogsta
Originally by: Ben Derindar
How many 0.0 alliances out there permit the presence of neutrals within the territory that they claim? Does FA?
well just fyi, for the longest time FA allowed many neutrals to pass thru our systems, and to hunt in our space. there was a modest fee(at least if you were npc'ng) but times have changed, and FA has changed, as most of eve is/has changed.
I remember - as a wide-eyed youngster I used to spend days on end exploring the wonders of 0.0 whilst my comrades would mine kernite in Empire. When I passed through Fountain in my little condor, there were no confrontations, and after a short while I moved on with a positive impression of that region and its inhabitants.
However, none of that matters now. As you say, times have changed. My original question was worded in the present tense, not in the past.
Originally by: Dogsta
Who we fight, How we fight, When we choose to fight will be on our terms now, not at the whim of our adversaries.
So it would seem.
Though from my personal experience, in all the time I've spent in Impass and Feythabolis to date, I have seen a total of one (1) SE pilot in local. Granted, I don't usually operate during peak hours, but still, that hardly sounds like an entire alliance running for the safety of another, does it?
/Ben
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:59:00 -
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Interesting choise of words Riddari
Wouldnt :
"We didn't engage FA or SE fleets in Stain or Fountain or neutral space."
have been more suitable words for someone claiming neutrality....
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
We didn't engage FA fleets in Stain or Fountain or neutral space.
Good enough jamesw?
Not quite... Getting there, perhaps I will rephrase the question.
How can you allow one party entry into your space and not the other, while still claiming you are neutral?
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 21/06/2005 03:13:37
This is how i feel, not sure about others.
You declare this war so that we will let you into our space so you can kill stain. Well now I don't think that will work, it will only **** us off more. So now you have stain and us, and you still can't come in our space.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:09:00 -
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@Ben Derindar
Thanks much for the confirmation (not that *we* need it).
Dunno if Krapz will still need fraps before believing it...
Your fond memories of times past in Fountain, makes me happier than you would probably believe.
Sadly - Times have changed...
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
This is how i feel, not sure about others.
You have mentioned we can get rid of this war if we do what you want. LOL Please don't do us any favors. WHy would we let somone who declared war on us in our space later on.
Actually - We never asked for that...
Option 1 of my above post was all we wanted.
As I've said elsewhere - We wanted to *contain* the conflict, and not spread it to ASCN space as well.
But alas...
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
[If you bother to read the thread, you'll see I've answered that already.
Your (ASCN) continued repeating of things (over and over and...) *still* doesnt make them true.
Oh I saw your response, it was your (FA) continued repeating (over and over and...) of your unreasonable demand to control how and when we decide how we wish to run our alliance. without FA's hand in the mix.
Originally by: TornSoul
[Well yes?
You put down an obstacle to us.
We didnt like it, and asked you to remove it, or we would ourself.
Whats so strange (and apparently 'nasty') about that concept???
Well now the obastacle isn't removed is it? Cause SE can take 2 or 3 pvper's into ASCN space and meet up with 30-40+ ASCN ones that would actively love to kill you now, wheras before today, most wouldn't have cared. Instead of removing a possible obstacle, you've created a permanent one.
Originally by: TornSoul
Err no... I've several times said "Fair game" (that you didnt want to remove what we saw as an obstacle to us)
What I *am* calling unreasonable on your part, is your continued claim about beeing neutral.
That my friend, is what nobody is buying.
We didn't care about your war... really, honestly didn't give a flying rat's behind. That's about as neutral as it gets. You honestly didn't matter to us. I'm pretty sure IF and WHEN SE tried to hide from you in our space (which has yet to happen btw) then we would have closed our borders to them, as we don't consider ASCN a safehaven for anyone else. However we make decisions on OUR timetable, not yours.
Originally by: TornSoul
Well you knew the consequences, I'm glad your happy about the outcome.
Maybe we should just have skipped the first part and gone straight to a war dec?
You where given fair notice of what would happen unless the situation was resolved - Dont come complaining about that now.
LOL... this statement totally ignores the fact that we were Neutral, didn't want to get involved... but you seem incapable of grasping that simple concept. I'm not complaining... what I'm doing is pointing out the absurdity of your actions, by instigating the very obstacle you say you didn't want in the first place. lol.
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Anubis Jones
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:21:00 -
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While can see how you folks up North may view it as taking sides think of it this way....
A woman you work with is having an affair at the office.
You dont really know this woman. The guys at work tend to agree that she is 'kinda creepy'. You say 'Hi'to her in the morning and that is about it. Sure it's not much for sitting next to her 40 hours a week but man! do you see how many songs fit on an iPod?
So there you are with your work friend typing an all important memo when she asks if she can use your house to carry on her affair. You briefly consider the good points of letting that happen but after thinking about it for 2 more seconds its just not something you need right now.
Now your work friend is mad. Since you didn't allow her to use her house she is going to try and burn it down.....
So agree to disagree 4tw. Lets fight!
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:23:00 -
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This made me chuckle a lot.
If ASCN find any FA sticking their noses out in empire please advise BNC and we will happily lop them off for you
Eve Blacklight Style
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
what I'm doing is pointing out the absurdity of your actions, by instigating the very obstacle you say you didn't want in the first place. lol.
Hmm let me see.
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot
After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
And for the love of God, would you stop your neutrality babble.
It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
It may well be that you couldnt care less about the FA/SE conflict - That however does NOT make you neutral, considering everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot
After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Differance is, now we will actually get groups to do this, and we will be watching for you. Before we really didn't care, if we seen you we may shoot we may not. Now, WE SHOOT TO KILL. 
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Sirius A
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius A on 21/06/2005 03:39:42
Who cares about what did happen....Game on!!!!....reporting for duty
Success doesn't come to you...you go to it
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:41:00 -
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Hah, what a balls excuse for starting a war.
Have fun ASCN
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:41:00 -
[68]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: TornSoul
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot
After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Differance is, now we will actually get groups to do this, and we will be watching for you. Before we really didn't care, if we seen you we may shoot we may not. Now, WE SHOOT TO KILL.
Erhem... "Neutrals will be shot" - as in defending your space etc.
Remember Steel Rats nice pic
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:45:00 -
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And again, yes that is true to a point. We don't go around looking for them though. We don't get 30+ members together to look for them. So if you did come across our land, we probably wouldn't go around hunting you, and if we did find you, we would probably escort you out. But now, we will be looking, now we won't be escorting, and now we will get 30+ members to do this. And again, these are my thoughts not DDC's nor the alliance. I am glad to have more targets, hope you don't just stick in empire though, I don't get much chance to get out that way.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: AfterShock
We finally get to return those damn knives we had to get removed from our backs.
Errrrrrrr Hmmmmmmmmmm
No m8
I belive the reason the war dec exists is so the knifes can be stuck into ur chest, how do you conclude that you have been backstabbed in this?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:56:00 -
[71]
Edited by: TornSoul on 21/06/2005 04:00:33
Edited by: TornSoul on 21/06/2005 03:57:12
Hmm I might have to disappoint you there a bit DeathGrip.
ASCN will merely be a 'target of oppertunity' - Our real goal is still SE.
Dont expect any invasion - Your space has no interest to us, except when needed for hunting SE's (as you wont deny them access by setting them to neutral - So the conflict could be contained)
And as said - As a 'target of oppertunity' now.
And you can expect to find us both in empire *and* in 0.0.
We have groups taking care of both places.
However by doing the formal war decleration we leave no doubt of our intentions to shoot you if we encounter you.
As it should be.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:02:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: TornSoul
You where the ones saying that you would shoot *us* (and any other neutrals) - If we entered into ASCN space. Dont play the innocent here.
How many 0.0 alliances out there permit the presence of neutrals within the territory that they claim? Does FA?
Just a thought.
/Ben
I think the point is that 1 side (SE) were allowed into that territory and the other wernt able to pursue (FA).
Createing a "political safehaven" if you like, ofc if the space owner in question is frendly towards SE, then no1 can choose there frends for them but if the enemy of my enemy is my frend, then surely the frend of my enemy is my enemy?
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:15:00 -
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FA is like those little 'ankle biter' dogs tbh.
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Richard Dawkins
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Darkrydar
FA is like those little 'ankle biter' dogs tbh.
Thank you for your enlightening insight into the matter.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: TornSoul
Hmm let me see.
Before the war dec : If we entered ASCN space we would get shot
After the war dec : If we enter ASCN space we will get shot.
Care to enlighten me to the difference?
Ok, I really thought you'd get this by now.
Before War Dec: We'd shoot you in our space.
After War Dec : We'll Shoot you in our space. We'll Shoot you in neutral space. We'll shoot you in your space. I'll even help SE shoot you in their space if they want.
I'd say that's a huge difference.
Originally by: TornSoul
And for the love of God, would you stop your neutrality babble.
It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
It may well be that you couldnt care less about the FA/SE conflict - That however does NOT make you neutral, considering everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
Ok, apparently you didn't get it the first time, so I'll stick your own words back in your mouth again.
For the love of God, would you stop your "you're not neutral" babble.
It _d o e s_ _n o t_ get true by repeating it over and over.
We really didn't care less about the FA/SE conflict - That actually DID make us neutral, despite how you twist everything else.
I dont know who you are trying to fool - Yourself or the rest of us...
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TheUnkown
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:26:00 -
[76]
So basically the point is..
U want us to stop letting SE in our space
And that would be the end of your dea...I mean the end of this war..
Is that IT??
P.S. a simple yes or NO would be enough
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:31:00 -
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Tornsoul, I really wonder if someone has hacked your account and started spewing this, because this really doesn't sound like you.... In all my dealings you've always been a halfway intelligent person, but I'm really at a loss to words.
Let's try a story with some metaphors to explain a bit better:
There's this big German Shepard that lives on this one block. He doesn't really give a flying feeyock what goes on any other block. He does however like to go get tasty steak on a shi-tzu's block on occasion. In return, he let's the shi-tzu roll through his block on occasion. Now, Let's say a poodle from another block across the hood decides to pick a fight with the shi-tzu. THE GERMAN SHEPARD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS FIGHT. He's perfectly content watching the fireworks and going to get his dogfood on occasion.
Now the poodle strolls over to the german shepard and says "you shouldn't let the shi-tzu pass through here or I'll beat you up" The german shepard of course laughs and says "all I want is the dog food in the shi-tzu's block, and I let him pass by here.. as far as you, you have nothing I want or care about, so don't come back on my turf or I'll whoop you"
The poodle then decides the german shepard is a threat sitting in his block chewing on his bone, so he pays some beefy steaks to a doberman and a rawtweiler to go attack the german shepard and then declares the german shepard the one at fault for "not remaining neutral in the conflict between the poodle and the shi-tzu."
After all this, the German Shepard STILL DOES NOT CARE about anything other than his own block, he now just has a reason, if he gets bored, to go to other blocks and kick the snot out of the silly little poodle and his hired dogs.
So you see boys and girls, the moral of the story is most sleeping dogs just like to sit around and sleep.. and are quite content to do so. But if you go up and kick them, expect to get your head bit off.
Do you really think you scare us? LOL.. seriously, I would have considered a 1 Billion ISK buy off to close our borders with more sincerity than a war declaration from FA. Bring it on, and keep paying your mercs well, They deserve every penny of it 
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:49:00 -
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Druid, unfortunately I don't think tornsoul will get that. I think Steel should draw another picture to explain things. Seems to be the only thing Tornsoul gets is the crayon drawings
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 04:53:00 -
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I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:04:00 -
[80]
Originally by: KSUDruid
I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
It was worth a shot
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:08:00 -
[81]
Originally by: TornSoul
ASCN will merely be a 'target of oppertunity' - Our real goal is still SE.
Bad move, Tornsoul. Bad move. As an outside observer, it seems to me that instead of being attacked occasionally as neutrals invading someone else's space, you're now going to be actively hunted as a warring alliance. So now instead of fighting your single enemy with some pesky fighters taking pot-shots at you, you have two vast enemy fleets actively trying to repel an invasion on the same space, both of which have the home advantage.
Perhaps you prefer everything to be nice and black and white but you've just given your enemy a reason to prepare for a full-scale assault on their space. You could attack them with or without declaring your intentions. The only thing this post has done is raise awareness and give them warning that you're coming with plenty of time to prepare. That is why I believe it was a tactical error. You had better have at least a hundred pilots invading at the one stargate, because you're fighting a very steep uphill battle here and the only way you're going to win is by overwhelming force.
Good luck, though. It will be interesting to see the killsheets over the coming weeks.
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:09:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Detaitiv
I keep hearing ASCN left XETIC to "be strong". And preceded to declare neutrality to all the greater forces invading them. Take it from someone who has been in FA from near it's beginning, peace does nothing to make alliances stronger. Peace is nothing but a force of decay. We will not sit by and see our targets flee into your space, to wait for meetings to conclude. We have played that path to it's conclusion and it leads nowhere.
We've been pretty much constantly fighting since we left xetic. There was a little downtime in there, But for the most part it's been constant blasting stuff.
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HKZ1
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:41:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Murphy
Originally by: KSUDruid
I ain't makin' crayon drawings of german shepards, shi-tzu's, poodles, rawtweilers, dobermans, or any other dog.
Nice try though murph
It was worth a shot
Seems pictures speak volumes
Let me show you one of mine
Now do you get why they war dec you?
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CdCommander
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:42:00 -
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I am happy to report ASCN Forces, Have today made the first stike in the war with The Fountain Alliance, at around 03:35 EVT roughly 19 hours before the war with the two alliances could be fought, a ASCN frigate task force, broke through the well known Fountain blockades and proceded deeper into the Fountain Region.
Losses for the ASCN forces are very low compared to what fountain has sustained during this attack.
So far FA Deffence Forces have lost
A Scorpion Class Battleship
A Crusader Class Interceptor
A Malieiction Class Interceptor
So far few ASCN pilots have been pod-killed, and many continue to fight for the acsendancy againist The Fountain Alliance
The ASCN Task Group Leader Drakma had this to say oce he found a place to transmit
"We did this out of pride (and boredome). We were first strike strictly to show them how this war was going to be run. Not on their terms, but on ours."
Has the 2 titans of the galaxy prepare for war, the many citizens of the world begin to turn their eyes to the West and the South.
(In other words, ASCN made the first strike too bad for fountain but its all in good fun at the end of the day)
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Apocalypse2005
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:46:00 -
[85]
Enuf talk, Deth to ALL!
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:51:00 -
[86]
Oh my God. Are you going to spin every few ganks on the forums?
Lets try to keep it where it belongs and off the forums, unless one of has the urge to surrender or something.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:53:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Detaitiv
Oh my God. Are you going to spin every few ganks on the forums?
Lets try to keep it where it belongs and off the forums, unless one of has the urge to surrender or something.
Funny, you lot weren't singing that song a few months ago when you ganked Rawthorm's CNR, that was worthy of a whole separate thread entirely, versus an in-thread mentioning.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:54:00 -
[88]
Why? You getting the urge to surrender already?
You started this fight, tell your people in YZ (especially the scorpion with 6 sensor booster2s, lol) to cut the smack and put up. You started this fight, don't complain cause six hours later we're already ganking people in your backyard...
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Band Zior
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:59:00 -
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It was CNR, not a scorp and an inty.
The fine points elude ATUK forum warriors.
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Drakma
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:59:00 -
[90]
Originally by: KSUDruid
Why? You getting the urge to surrender already?
You started this fight, tell your people in YZ (especially the scorpion with 6 sensor booster2s, lol) to cut the smack and put up. You started this fight, don't complain cause six hours later we're already ganking people in your backyard...
Backyard? I think we're in their living room... maybe kitchen... but definately INSIDE the house.
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CdCommander
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:01:00 -
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STFU about us posting a few ganks on the forums,
we made the first strike while you guys bundled up to your blockade, and another thing about the blockade, you had poorly placed bubbles, can spaming at some of the gates, and i saw some thorax of yours with drones out near a gate we were coming through thinking "wow with drones i can stop anything"
personaly, apart from it all, it was still fun as hell
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Drakma
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:01:00 -
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Oh... I almost forgot. YAR!
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:04:00 -
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Seems to be the norm these days.. a group initiate an attack expecting it to be a simple walkover, end up getting hammered and then start crying about it.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:29:00 -
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You guys really missed the point.
Post less.
And lung, I thought the CNR thing excessive too.
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: KSUDruid on 21/06/2005 06:32:20
Edited by: KSUDruid on 21/06/2005 06:31:48
Actually, I found that picture I was talking about earlier.
(courtesy of "The Bunny Suicides")
Hope this is clear enough for ya Tornsoul
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Drakma
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Posted - 2005.06.21 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
You guys really missed the point.
Post less.
And lung, I thought the CNR thing excessive too.
Post less? Geez, we hardly post now.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.06.21 07:45:00 -
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Ah, so you met the bubble fleet then. No doubt soon you'll also be familiar with the 150km bookmarks, the instalocking scorpions and the wcs w***ing snipathrons.
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Haematite
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Posted - 2005.06.21 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Edited by: Drakma on 21/06/2005 06:57:34
Well, I see how it has been difficult for others to infiltrate FA space. They certainly like to use bubbles. So, here is how we got in tonight.
Is their any chace u can make these pics in that Animated Art Site some ppl use, as i think you could make a funny representation of FA space.
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Posted - 2005.06.21 08:22:00 -
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As I read this from the relevant safety of the Yulai Sytem in Genesis Region, I have come to the conclusion that this press release has fully acheived the stated objective, which was to inform those interested parties of this particular war, and the reasons therefore.
As such, I shall end this discussion.
Regards,
-Abdalion
Communication Relay Commision
CONCORD Bureau
Yulai IX
Genesis
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