Almost entirely imporation, actually. I say almost as I'm sure there's some small amount of stuff built locally (not counting supercaps which have to be), but the vast majority is importation.

The end result will be that those alliances that actively and effectively protect their local production will see a "buff", with that being balanced by the overhead of providing that protection, which in turn will mean more small gang/solo targets for outsiders, and more small gang activity for the alliance in question. I am absolutely OK with making this trade-off.

Every problem has a violent solution.

We can interdict all incoming shipping from high-sec. That would encourage people to produce things at home in null.

We can interdict all incoming shipping from high-sec. That would encourage people to produce things at home in null.

(2) Even if you could interdict everything, there still isn't the capacity in null to produce the required demand. It's on oft-repeated statistic, but many people aren't aware of it, but many systems in hi-sec have more production capacity than the best developed 0.0 regions.

I believe some of the systems within 2-5 jumps of Jita have double the capacity deklein has.

I will admit I look forward to the day that Null makes some kind of sense.

Wthl the peasants out working their fields, you know with them actually supporting Nulls need for ships that kind of guarantees someone will be afk mining.

But at least even as the peasants are weeded out they will still see the rewards of their activities in NUll, especially as income really needs to be bottom up.

Oh and on top of this of course is the fact that Null will need massive numbers of miners (especially if sov is tied to usage), so miners will become a great part of Null (and they will probably dob in any bots they see), they will build lots of ships and with ships easier to get more will go

BOOM

Null is always going to import from hi-sec, if only because of comparitive advantage.

Null needs massive numbers of miners now; it's just that most of those miners are in hi-sec.

...and trying to boil my position down to just "nerf hisec" is ludicrous.

enlighten me: how does the null economy work?

preliminary information tends to suggest ratting and moon mining... but ratting gives only a trickle of income to an individual and moon mining is restricted to the "chosen ones".

and there's always complex running, but how often does a site spawn?

so... many null dwellers have alts in high sec to do their isk making to support their pvp habits.

I don't recall doing that.

I was conversing with Malcanis... questioning whether his position wasn't just a Nerf Highsec. Is it you feeling that is the only answer?

What problem is it intended to solve? I'm not aware of anyone saying that we don't have enough miners.

Except you did, implicitly, by the way you phrased the following question:


As I said, no, it's not the only answer, but trying to pidgeonhole my opinion in that fashion is wrong, and I won't tolerate it.

Yes I would absolutely like to see a smoother gradient between the restrictions in a 1.0 and those in a 0.1 system. The precise mechanics would be up to CCP to set; the list you quoted is an example of the kind of incremental change, although not necessarily the specifc set that I'd choose.

Operating in a 0.5 vs a 0.9 should matter way more than it does now.

I like what I've read so far.

One thing I have picked up on is a potential change to local, making it more aligned to wormhole space. I'm not opposed to the wy it works in WH's - risk vs reward, but how do you see that working in null / empire without alienating large parts of the player base?

It would be a dreadful idea to get rid of it until we have a scanner that's changed an improved out of all recognition.