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TEALEAF	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:56:00 - [1] when are ccp gonna do something about thieves. i cant count the ammount of times ive had mision critical loot or ore stolen whilst mining. this is ruining peoples hard work and enjoyment of the game.does anyone have any non flame suggestions what is the best way to deal with this. thanks.TEALEAF.
Profess0r Mansechs0r	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:58:00 - [2] they are going to laugh at you, then lock your thread.
TEALEAF	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r they are going to laugh at you, then lock your thread. why.it happens everywhere and im sure theres more than a few people ****ed about this
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:03:21 Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:02:38 Well, they added the inability to place items into the contents of cans that don't belong to you, they should just mirror that feature and not allow anyone to take from a can that is not theirs... (gang member/corp member) What they should do is: When you go to jet a can, you have a choice of either loot or ore. If you choose ore, then anyone can add to it, and anyone can take from it. If you choose loot, only you or your corpmates can add/remove from it. You can't put ore in a loot can, but you can put anything you want in an ore can... All other cans from NPC's & player kills act like loot cans... Also, you can check a default loot/ore can button in the config so you don't get the popup box everytime... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
TEALEAF	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:02:38 Well, they added the inability to place items into the contents of cans that don't belong to you, they should just mirror that feature and not allow anyone to take from a can that is not theirs... (gang member/corp member) What they should do is: When you go to jet a can, you have a choice of either loot or ore. If you choose ore, then anyone can add to it, and anyone can take from it. If you choose loot, only you or your corpmates can add/remove from it. You can't put ore in a loot can, but you can put anything you want in an ore can... All other cans from NPC's & player kills act like loot cans... excellent idea darling....best ive heard,lets hope something similar comes into effect ay...thanks
MooKids	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:26:00 - [6] Adapt and overcome. I would also like to beat up people that keep telling newbies about jet can mining without fully informing them of the risks they actively take or how it is completely unsupported by CCP and is also not endorsed by them. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:03:21 Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:02:38 Well, they added the inability to place items into the contents of cans that don't belong to you, they should just mirror that feature and not allow anyone to take from a can that is not theirs... (gang member/corp member) In other words, you don't want your stuff from your ship's loot cans falling into enemy hands when you get blown up. Pass. Say NO to target painters
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:29:00 - [8] Quote: I would also like to beat up people that keep telling newbies about jet can mining without fully informing them of the risks they actively take or how it is completely unsupported by CCP and is also not endorsed by them. Get over it already... Jet can mining has been part of the mining 101 class since beta... Anyone forced to mine the "traditional way" would quit the game due to their eyeballs rotting & falling out of their sockets... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:30:00 Quote: In other words, you don't want your stuff from your ship's loot cans falling into enemy hands when you get blown up. Pass. No... If you kill someone, the one who gets the kill mail is owner of can... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:31:00 - [10] here is your answer to your question hopefully we can drop this topic afterward Question Why is it so easy to steal ore ? Answer The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it. This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result. CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations. The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecured container is equivalent to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord. ------ Ladies and Gentlemen, you already got your fix, it was the secure can. It was due to shortsighted abuse of these cans by corporations that they were made unanchorable in highsec space. If you could not be trusted with a secure can, why should you be trusted with life and death power over unorthodox mineral acquisition agents? On another note, this has been beaten to death in the general forums, its been overdiscussed to no avail in the crime and punishment forum, why are you sullying this forum with another thread filled with complaints and overzealous vigilante dreams?

MooKids	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:31:00 - [11] Well it is kind of annoying to see the constant complaints when alternatives and fixes are in place, but people are too stupid/lazy to use them and just resort to constant whining on how the game needs to be fixed, so I don't take this stuff as seriously anymore. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:36:00 - [12] Quote: CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations. LOL, put down the pipe... They need to make deployable ore silo's... SEC cans are so useless... Would be cheaper to get 5% of your ore stolen every outting than to waste the time & ISK it requires to use those useless cans... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Deakgu	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:38:00 - [13] CCP wants this to be a real-life simulation. In real-life you have thieves/whatever. I dont see why there shouldnt be professions on the other side of the law in eve.
Carl Jidona	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations. LOL, put down the pipe... They need to make deployable ore silo's... SEC cans are so useless... Would be cheaper to get 5% of your ore stolen every outting than to waste the time & ISK it requires to use those useless cans... First off dont own a pipe, second this information is taken right from CCP I didnt write any of it up, just did a little information digging.
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:41:00 - [15] Originally by: TEALEAF when are ccp gonna do something about thieves. i cant count the ammount of times ive had mision critical loot or ore stolen whilst mining. this is ruining peoples hard work and enjoyment of the game.does anyone have any non flame suggestions what is the best way to deal with this. thanks.TEALEAF. OH NOESSSS!!!1!! ------------------------------------------- 05.05.05 16:22 [Notify} Combat Your Mega pulse Laser 2 strikes bunny, wrecking for 983.2 dmg . ... <<< Now Bunny is made of ash >:D ..
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:43:00 - [16] CCP want to create a game that mimics life, If I was mugged today and even if the cops caught the guy he's got more rights than me, If I happen to use violence while being robbed, I am the culprit and the cops will arrive quicker than you can say donaught. A perfect mining simulation... of course if CCP could copy the Chinese / USA rules we would have more fun It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:43:00 - [17] Quote: First off dont own a pipe, second this information is taken right from CCP I didnt write any of it up, just did a little information digging. Yeah I know it's the standard CCP party line... Was gonna say it was not meant for you personally, but figured you'd get it... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:45:00 - [18] I wish there was something done about loot thieving aswell. But only for the fact that I'm getting tired of the whining in Local. And finally... Menod for president!!! ------------------------- Grand Agitator Currently homeless, mail or convo if interested
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:47:00 - [19] If mission critical items are stolen you can petition for an exploit afaik.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:51:00 - [20] Use secure, abchored cans. And get outta newbie space

Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:56:00 - [21] Quote: Use secure, abchored cans. And get outta newbie space 1) Sec cans are not big enough. (Anyone who mines a lot would know this) 2) Newbs belong in newbie space. It will be fun to see if CCP addresses this problem b4 the servers shut down... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:58:00 - [22] Requests for thieves to have an increased risk is mildly hypocritical when spoken by the lips of Empire(0.5+) miners and Empire(0.5+) agent runners, imho. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
TEALEAF	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Carl Jidona here is your answer to your question hopefully we can drop this topic afterward Question Why is it so easy to steal ore ? Answer The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it. This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result. CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations. The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecured container is equivalent to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord. ------ Ladies and Gentlemen, you already got your fix, it was the secure can. It was due to shortsighted abuse of these cans by corporations that they were made unanchorable in highsec space. If you could not be trusted with a secure can, why should you be trusted with life and death power over unorthodox mineral acquisition agents? On another note, this has been beaten to death in the general forums, its been overdiscussed to no avail in the crime and punishment forum, why are you sullying this forum with another thread filled with complaints and overzealous vigilante dreams? der....what about mision critical loot. look at my original question.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 18:02:49 Quote: Requests for thieves to have an increased risk is mildly hypocritical when spoken by the lips of Empire(0.5+) miners and Empire(0.5+) agent runners, imho. If you stay in 0.5+ you give up a lot of risk, and even more reward... If an ore thief stays in 0.5+, he has free riegn, and has NO risk... For those who keep saying to use secure cans, I'd like to ask you politely to stop sticking your thumb in your ass and then sucking on it... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
TEALEAF	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 18:02:49 Quote: Requests for thieves to have an increased risk is mildly hypocritical when spoken by the lips of Empire(0.5+) miners and Empire(0.5+) agent runners, imho. If you stay in 0.5+ you give up a lot of risk, and even more reward... If an ore thief stays in 0.5+, he has free riegn, and has NO risk... For those who keep saying to use secure cans, I'd like to ask you politely to stop sticking your thumb in your ass and then sucking on it... agree with above
Rafein	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:06:00 - [26] The problem is people are leaving the loot/ore unsecured. The only way CCP can fix this is educate or remove the players responsible for unsecured can miing It is the reason there are secure containers. if you choose not to use a secure container, then you are choosing to allow thieves to steal your ore.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:07:00 - [27] Quote: The only way CCP can fix this is educate or remove the players responsible for unsecured can miing You mean like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of miners in the game? Yeah, CCP should ban all of them... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:08:00 - [28] you know what a funny word is? Pantaloons. Is that how its spelled? Cause thats how you pronounce it. Boy, that sure is a funny word. I've got the no-sig blues.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:15:00 - [29] There is no reason to complain to CCP that your ore got stolen because YOU did not use the ingame mechanics that would prevent it. Would be like complaining someone took your battleship after you ejected from it in the Middle of Yulai, and left it for an hour.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:21:00 - [30] I would have sworn you'd prefer a skirt with a nice matching man-bag Drunk... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"



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