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Schadenfreud
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:47:00 -
[421] - Quote
CCP would be insane to think that a POS revamp isn't necessary or that it would not bring new blood to the game. The system as it is now is completely unapproachable for all but the most insane player. This needs to change to be more accessible. |
Raging Beaver
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:47:00 -
[422] - Quote
Posting +1 for POS improvement.
POSes are now used AFAIK for the following reasons:
1. Hiding supers
2. Building supers
3. Storing supers
4. Hiding bots
5. Extracting moon goo
6. Processing moon goo
7. When a corporation lives in a rented space and can't afford a station and lives nowhere near one.
8. Researching blueprints.
9. Living in WH
Please note that from the above scenarios only 4, 7 and 8 are those that do not REQUIRE a pos. Meaning POSes are used generally only when there are no other options. Setting up of the POS under current mechanics is stupid (being delicate here). Industrial capabilities of a pos are generally pathetic (maybe apart from the mentioned research and super-constuction). If you're not willing to acknowledge that POSes need a thorough rework (and please don't let Greyscale anywhere near it, he'll just improve it in his own particular style, probably by making everything 50% worse and taking the forcefield away) then maybe just take the POS-only activities to the outposts and just leave it as an anchorable forcefield. Won't be much different. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12652
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:48:00 -
[423] - Quote
SLOPS may be a corp of only four, but that's still 100% interaction and GÇ£being touched byGÇ¥ a POS revamp.
Hell, the entire reasoning is circular since one of the key things about such a revamp would be to make more people interact with them. They're basically saying GÇ£we haven't achieved our goal before we start, so therefore we won't try to achieve itGÇ¥. 
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
kajorian
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:49:00 -
[424] - Quote
Please Fix!
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Setsune Rin
Hammer Holding
Wrong Hole.
18
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:50:00 -
[425] - Quote
As a wormhole dweller i wish to stop having to bash my head against these antiquated mechanics
at the very least give us a new module with a private hangar and item storage that is NOT m3 limited
that would solve a lot of wormhole headaches
they still need a total rework....but some iteration is absolutely required |
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
Zero Hour Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:50:00 -
[426] - Quote
This needs to be done, clear and simple. |
Madlof Chev
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:51:00 -
[427] - Quote
Every time a goddamn POS goes skynet
Every time a logistics director burns out
Every time someone like me wants to set up a POS but decides it isn't worth the effort.
that's why a "small section of the community" uses POSes - I'd love to but I'd rather shoot myself in the face. fix that **** |
space chikun
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
13
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:52:00 -
[428] - Quote
Not empty posting. Do I need to log in all 4 accounts and reply for CCP to get the message?
NO ONE USES POSes BECAUSE THEY SUCK SO BAD YOUR WILL TO LIVE GOES AWAY AFTER A DAY OF MAINTENANCE. |
Preddz
Barr Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:52:00 -
[429] - Quote
I don't use POS's personally at this time but hope to in the future. However; I do know that they need fixing. |
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
Yulai Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:53:00 -
[430] - Quote
Pos users unite! |
Capqu
Love Squad
68
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:54:00 -
[431] - Quote
I like how the reason for not fixing them is because "not enough people use them".
I wonder why no-one uses them 
http://pizza.eve-kill.net |
Caneb
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:54:00 -
[432] - Quote
Marc Scaurus wrote:Perhaps it could be that current active POS managers are only a small portion of the community because POSes are so bad right now.
I'm one of these. I would do reactions, and have in the past. But currently my towers are collecting dust in an alt corp's hangar, because managing multiple towers under the current system is just too annoying.
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space chikun
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
13
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:54:00 -
[433] - Quote
Note that the "small section of the community" just happens to be the most masochistic of EVE players. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
45
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:54:00 -
[434] - Quote
I for one was really, really looking forward to the POS revamp. I am pretty disappointed by the news. |
GizzyBoy
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
53
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:55:00 -
[435] - Quote
I know we have the CSM etc, but CCP can you please select a small number of people who have to use and manage pos's on a daily basis.
4 people at most.
Please include some of us who write code for a living so because we have an understanding on the difficulty in implementing specific features.
Some of us could write most of the code and story cases you need, and all you have to do is make some new graphics and modules,
We get its going to take a while, that's why some of us have been deterministic patient.
We don't want to break existing things, so how about we build a new system, that doesn't touch the existing code.
It may borrow the fuel mechanics and may use the existing anchor based defence system. these how ever will be recoded and bug checked and have test cases written before committing... they would also be implemented modularly so they can be changed easily at a later date.
Done right we would be mostly happy with starting with a limited feature set that accomplished a basic set of goals, and then over some time and possible refinement, new features could be integrated.
I have to agree with a number of people I know in that a whole new iteration that immediately replaced existing pos's is going to be totally broken or is going to be the complete opposite of what people had in mind.. and if you thought burn jita was bad, I really don't think you'd recover from the unsubs, because the unsubs would mostly be the people you determine to be enablers.
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space chikun
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:56:00 -
[436] - Quote
Screw it, I may make this my "do it or I cancel" issue. I've waited 6 goddamn years for a POS revamp, only to have this **** pulled. Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think that "low usage" means "no one wants this".
IT'S LOW USAGE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM CURRENTLY SUCKS. |
FistyMcBumBasher
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:57:00 -
[437] - Quote
It was stated in the dev blog where you talk about your plans for 2013 and beyond, you mentioned that you wanted to touch on themes that would affect all players. I think that poses would be a good place to start.
From here you can see that your plans from 2013 include changes to sovereignity, poses, PVE, balancing and exploration. Yet in the minutes it was stated that because such a small player base uses poses, they were earmarked as a large priority.
Could it be that the playerbase that know's about poses is so small because it is so counter intuitive and an extremely large PITA. A revamp to poses could affect Sovereignity, pve content, as well as ship balancing (boosters inside the pos, being forced to always have a pilot inside of a supercapital). As a bonus, you create player driven exploration where you go around looking for poses that are not fueled properly or go exploring for capitals outside of pos shields. This could also be tied into 0.0 to give some small gang objectives (destroy and loot enemy pos modules, steal refinement products etc.)
On top of this, people use poses in high sec, lowsec, 0.0 and in wormholes. So literally every single type of player can potentially be affected by this.
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Hosiden
The Drunken Empire
Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:57:00 -
[438] - Quote
Fix it!
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Greig Hul
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:58:00 -
[439] - Quote
+1 from me. Do the POS thing please.
Seagull and Unifex would do well to walk a mile in our shoes before condemning us to another 4 years of Soon(TM). |
Tzic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:58:00 -
[440] - Quote
DJ Rubbie wrote:Would appreciate some changes that will make onlining pos modules less painful. I wish there is a way to avoid babysitting modules, maybe even select all and online, and accumulate all the timers so they are onlined with the standard timers. So onlining 30 pos guns will take an hour much like it does now.
Also, making pos work easier would increase fuel consumption, thus creating demand thus more economical activities, which can never be bad for EVE.
Imagine a world where you could go to an existing tower and save the setup.
Location of anchored objects
Fore field settings
Reactions
The works
Then you could go to an unclaimed moon, push out a tower and vomit out all of the modules, push a butan, and everything snaps into location with settings already applied and each module anchors and onlines one by one. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7129
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:59:00 -
[441] - Quote
Greig Hul wrote:+1 from me. Do the POS thing please.
Seagull and Unifex would do well to walk a mile in our shoes before condemning us to another 4 years of Soon(TM).
POS have been horrible for a lot longer than 4 years....
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:59:00 -
[442] - Quote
Please fix POS. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1069
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:59:00 -
[443] - Quote
I'd like POS updates too.
Something like 'unified POS storage' would make my day. Having to shuffle stuff between arrays is a PITA
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
space chikun
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:02:00 -
[444] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Greig Hul wrote:+1 from me. Do the POS thing please.
Seagull and Unifex would do well to walk a mile in our shoes before condemning us to another 4 years of Soon(TM). POS have been horrible for a lot longer than 4 years....
I said 6 years, and even I know they've been bad longer than that..
Seriously, I mean.. who made this determination? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see a trend of EIGHT YEARS of complaints about this crappy system of management MIGHT mean that very few people will use it when you sample.
I think I'm gonna have a stroke, the stupid is so strong.
I normally love CCP, but damn. This makes zero sense. |
Alyx Vas QuibQuib
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp
Panda Cave
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:03:00 -
[445] - Quote
I am a member of a small portion of the community that runs or lives out of a pos.
Please revamp the pos system. It would also allow me to attract other people to live in POS's
Wormholers lowsec and nullsec people really really need this. |
Eliniale
co-operative resource extraction
34
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:03:00 -
[446] - Quote
CCP, I would like to point out that the support so far amounts to 1% of eve's daily logins
System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread |
Michael Yanai
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:03:00 -
[447] - Quote
Even if a complete rewrite does not make sense for CCP at this time, the current system can be drastically improved with some tweaks and/or duct taping code on to it. For example, change module onlining times to 5 seconds, or allow multiple modules to be onlined simultaneously / via a queue. I'm sure similar simple fixes/improvements, expanding on the current system, can be concocted for other issues. While we may not need skinnable POS with jump drives, simply doing nothing is a terrible idea. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
253
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:03:00 -
[448] - Quote
Hey CCP, I don't turn up to strat-ops, you know, pvp -a major part of your game- because in one year of playing I've shot enough POSes or whatever they are for a lifetime. I hate it. I sincerely hate those things and I've never even done anything with them except:
A. Form up at them
B. Use a Jump Bridge
C. Shoot them.
Those are three things that shouldn't inspire hate and dread, but here we are.
The number of people who manage and deploy POS towers and **** might be a small minority! I DON'T DOUBT THIS FOR ONE SECOND! Even shooting the things make me wonder why I'm paying for this game. I don't even know what I can say in the defense of GSF's logistics guys that hasn't already been said: This **** sucks. Sov warfare sucks, and it sucks specifically because of these stupid things. Managing a nullsec empire, the little bits and pieces of it that i've been exposed to- is a horrific terrible thing.
The POS as you, CCP, have developed it, is a nightmarish thing that affects a majority of your player base. Nobody likes these things, and they drive nearly every advanced mechanic in the game.
Fix what sucks you doofuses. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1069
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:05:00 -
[449] - Quote
Eliniale wrote:CCP, I would like to point out that the support so far amounts to 1% of eve's daily logins
Psst. While I don't want to weaken the point, that's 450 or so comments. the maximum concurrent user count is at 54k or so per day. The number of people actually logging in is higher. we don't stay connected 23.5 hours a day.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Cpt Underpants
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:06:00 -
[450] - Quote
As someone who has burnt out of eve not once, but twice because of the burden of POS management... PLEASE FIX THIS MESS.
Lurk more - http://i39.tinypic.com/2nktoiq.gif |
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