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Proclus Diadochu Obstergo Exhale. 212	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:08:00 - [61] - Quote We are the 1%, please cure the disease that is the broken POS. ...Thanks :) ~Boredom Breeds Direction~
Zoldarion Katelo Sword And Plow 13	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:08:00 - [62] - Quote please fix POSes!
Boltorano Owner Operated Transport Service Market Power 14	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:10:00 - [63] - Quote I would happily take a full expansion devoted just to fixing POS.
Fillory Obstergo Exhale. 4	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:10:00 - [64] - Quote Fix the POS, kthxbye <3
Nihk Anin In Exile. 2	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:10:00 - [65] - Quote I have lived mostly in PoS's for the last 3 of my years playing eve, and they are a total pain.
Chalmecatecuchtlz Obstergo Exhale. 13	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:11:00 - [66] - Quote POS's are b0rked... ...must be fixed.
Rees Noturana Red Rock Mining Company 143	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:11:00 - [67] - Quote I started reading the direction of CCP for Decade 2.0 and I'm interested and excited. Then I read that the long overdue, much anticipated and talked about Starbase 2.0 is not going to be done? Avatar based gameplay was never finished. Disappointed, but it wasn't ready. A chance at new exploration and avatar based too? I was excited. Then the project was cancelled. Now starbases? No. Just no. I'm glad you're getting things turned around but I think you are highly underestimating the value of this revamp. It can literally be the foundation technology of so many cool things in New Eden. -á
Shamus O'Reilly Gungnirs' Point I Know Right 54	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:12:00 - [68] - Quote POS revamp please. For ***** sake even fixing the damn refining arrays would be a decent start! i mean.... 75% over hours of time when i can move all of the ore to a station and get a perfect 100% refine in lowsec or hisec??? Yes. POS's need a revamp. In favor of the smaller entity or larger? i say neither or even in favor of the smaller group. But anything compared to what we have now for it...... Minus WHs and FW deployments give us a reason to use POSs over stations if we choose so
Jon Obstergo Obstergo Exhale. 3	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:13:00 - [69] - Quote On behalf of Obstergo, We feel that the POS mechanic, as is, should be improved. +97
Peter Dostoevsky League of Angered Gentlemen Kraken. 8	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:15:00 - [70] - Quote POSes need an overhaul. Seriously. The last time I had to set one up, it was a nightmare.

Lucius Exitius Protectors Holdings CORE Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:17:00 - [71] - Quote POSs suck please fix this, you promised us now you should come through for us!
Calmatt DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 6	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:24:00 - [72] - Quote I've been a wormholer since they first came out, and the limitations with POS's were immediately aparrent. They were obviously broken, and for years now I've been waiting for fixes. The current POS system is just lazy, that's all there is to it. At least just give us a damn personal storage area already, how hard would that be? Too hard, aparrently.
Cethion Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 5	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:28:00 - [73] - Quote POSes desperately need a rework. At least give us more divisions in the POS modules to accommodate more people!
Silvonus Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 2	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:28:00 - [74] - Quote I'm going to try to compose my thoughts on POSs, as CCP said last fanfest that they wanted not just corporate POSs, but individual ones and that they wanted most people in EVE to have one. They have a lot of potential applications in solving a lot of the other problems across EVE (such as being able to have higher refining for nullsec with some nullsec-only anchorable module), or to upgrade a system that a small force could fight over. The possibilities are endless, so why not incorporate those possibilities into the other fixes? As a temporary measure, can we at least be able to repackage items in CHAs?
Steph Wing Applied Agoraphobia 68	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:31:00 - [75] - Quote Well gee, if I'm such a small portion of the community then I guess CCP won't miss my monthly fees when I unsub.
Gritz1 Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 148	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:32:00 - [76] - Quote Please tweak POS's. I understand it may be a big undertaking, but it would really help out with the ones I use in LS and WH's.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 91	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:32:00 - [77] - Quote If I may: I think you are actually marginalizing this issue by mentioning just the effect on wormholes. There are plenty of people living out of POSes in null and plenty of people in high and low sec also use POses for various functions. They are ubiquitous and have an effect on much of the player base. I urge you, Two Step, to try and bring other CSM members on-board with this as well since it affects their constituents as well as your own. CCP's stance that this just affects the people that manage POSes is a fallacy. Managing a POS is a huge pain in the ass, to be sure, but everyone living at a POS is affected in some way by the haphazard system we have now due to the security issues they have. POSes tie not only into wormhole exploitation, they also tie in to sovereignty and industry. beyond that, if they were improved, perhaps labs could be rented out to the public, which would could have some benefits in empire space as well. A system so widespread and important in as many aspects as POSes are really needs to have CCP's full attention. Even if it takes a couple expansions, CCP needs to deal with this problem. They need to start laying the groundwork NOW; the sooner they get started, the sooner they can be finished and the sooner they can iterate on that content to improve the EvE experience.
Marcus Antovar Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 1	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:32:00 - [78] - Quote What the ****? I've been waiting for some good POS changes for way to long. These changes would have huge effects on EVE in general.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 897	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:33:00 - [79] - Quote I can't believe CCP even needs to be told this after all this time, but here we are. Dear CCP, fix the ******* POS mechanic if you're not going to replace it. The current system isn't even close to adequate. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Andrew Charante Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 4	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:34:00 - [80] - Quote Poses need a rework we've been waiting forever

Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 1605	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:35:00 - [81] - Quote What is EvE? To sum it up: Disappointment. Fist there was the whole ambulation mess and so many other broken dreams. Now it is POS. POS form the back bone and future of EvE. So many players use them and a lot more do not. Why? Why would they want to? For hi-sec residents it is easier and more efficient and cheaper not too. Manufacturing is better and cheaper, Research while taking longer is cheaper and refining well it is a complete joke in a POS. Why do so many stay in NPC corps and not engage in the community? Again why would they want to, there is no real down side to being in an NPC corp not interacting with the game as a whole besides the markets. You don't want to fix POS with a complete revamp, ok that is fair enough. How about just improving POS stats and reducing NPC facility stats to allow us a reason for POS. Let alone for those who live in a POS. Can anyone say increase hanger security? What I would like to see without a revamp NPC facilities reduced to a base 30% refine POS facilities increased to a base 50% refine(plus skills) more slots added to manufacturing with no extra mineral cost on POS A massive increase in the cost of NPC facility manufacturing and research, copying ect. tabs in the ship maintenance arrays (yes you don't like them but unless you do a revamp we need them) Now this is a lot and perhaps you like people who are taking risks to be the second class citizens, so worst comes to worse at least fix refining and the security problems. You do up a lovely dev blog about Design for GÇ£EnablersGÇ¥ & GÇ£InstigatorsGÇ¥ and then 2 seconds later the GÇ£EnablersGÇ¥ are once again taking it from behind. This is very much why when CCP puts out a Dev blog so much of the community just considers it as words on a screen and nothing else. Yes you have a new corporate structure and the first act is too go against it on day one. Does not say much for the future other than "More of the same" Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Tibearious Double-Down Industry Transmission Lost 1	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:38:00 - [82] - Quote Post
Shawn Khannory Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:39:00 - [83] - Quote Posting. You know us wormhole guys live in POS's too not just the nullbears
Hrald Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 103	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:39:00 - [84] - Quote Oh god pos revamp PLEASE. It's not just pos managers, other people use poses too.
Klokvarg Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 7	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:40:00 - [85] - Quote "Two Step" wrote: Wormholers have been very patient with CCP during the last couple years while other supposedly higher priority issues have been addressed. This is a massive understatement. In the nearly 4 years since the introduction of wormhole space content, there has been virtually ZERO development or progression of wormhole space content or mechanics, except two exceptions. First, was the anticipated storyline content that CCP Dropbear was working on, that we all hoped would lead to in game wormhole/sleeper development. But, any hope for further wormhole space content development seems to have packed up and left with Dropbear when he boarded the plane. Second, was the one change that actually made a difference in our lives. I bet when this change was being requested a statement to the effect of "inclusion of corp bookmarks by itself would only affect a small portion of the community" was uttered more than once by a developer. Thankfully, corp bookmarks ACTUALLY were finally implemented and it was a GAME CHANGER for wormhole residents, even though it benefited all of Eve, much like POS rework would. Finally, some of the bureaucratic and artificial inefficient barriers were removed so we could actually start enjoying (and actually playing) the game more. As pointed out by many, POS improvements are beneficial to everyone, but specifically would be a game changer for wspace residents. Unlike null, low, and high sec people we don't have any other options other than to live out of the very broken and poorly designed system that is Player Owned Structures. This unnecessary complexity and difficulty is forced upon us. We're tired of being overlooked and taken for granted. This is why wspace residents banded together and voted Two Step into CSM. We're significant enough to have CSM representation. You've neglected us for 4 years now. CCP it's time you give us a little respect and attention. o7 Klokvarg [ADHC Director who is constantly confused and frustrated by the POS interface]
Daenna Chrysi Omega Foundry Unit Shadows Of Betrayal 25	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:41:00 - [86] - Quote the POS need some love... a lot of it...
ChrisLCTR Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 2	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:42:00 - [87] - Quote POS concepts could use some polishing. Hey look!!! I took part in something! I'm an activist!!!
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 88	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:44:00 - [88] - Quote Basically: POS stands for two things: Player Owned Starbase and Piece of Sh*. Permissions are a mess, passwords are a mess, module placement is a mess, the UI is a mess, the reinforcement mechanic needs redone, and the code's probably vomited itself all over Eve by now. This impacts every single serious industrialst in Eve* in addition to most 0.0 and all WH dwellers (0.0 folks depend on POSes for, you know, jumpbridges and things as well as industrial stuff); even quite a few lowsec dwellers are impacted (just ask Hans about his methstar, or any of the Electus Matari members for that matter, as I'm quite sure they've been fighting with POS mechanics since they were founded).
Brinxter Bite Me inc Bitten. 7	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:44:00 - [89] - Quote I am, appearantly part of a minority. The current pos system needs, nay, DESERVES a revamp! Last year at FF there was a huge cheer from the crowd when they talked about it, rest assured they'll get a ton of flack about it this year.
Aliventi Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous 23	Posted - 2013.01.17 05:44:00 - [90] - Quote POS love. Do it for the good of Eve.



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