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Julius Lincinius
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:31:00 -
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Lars Erlkonig wrote:Seeing the general lack of knowledge on how they work, how they're supposed to work, and what to do when things get buggy on the CCP side of things was always discouraging.
I got to watch a GM blow up my corporate POS tower in high sec, because of some bugged POS mods. Then he realized he couldn't reanchor it. Had to wait a few days to get a new one and then was told I had the joyous task of reanchoring everything at it for the next two hours, all so the people, who had reinforced the tower and caused the bug to appear, could kill it (a bug which only hurt our side, FYI). I came pretty close to quitting EVE right there.
The interface is awful-especially with the new inventory system. They are a pain in the arse to setup. And I have to agree that it seems like most of the CCP staff has no fricking clue how they are supposed to work. |
Eli Grange
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:31:00 -
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As someone who would like to, but has never used a POS, I wish for a revamp.
Every time I express curiosity to people with experience, one of them climbs out of my computer screen, hands me a loaded gun, says "you may as well just get it over and done with" and sighs, he then stares at me for a few bewildering moments, takes the gun out of my hands and mumbles "just as I thought" before climbing back into my computer screen.
That is really offputting. |
Indigo Bowra
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:31:00 -
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Please look at POS. The levels of awesome this game can achieve with a rich and valuable player-owned structure system tie directly to your objective for deeper player involvement and our objectives for enjoying your game. TIA. |
Cede Forster
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
138
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:32:00 -
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it is very disappointing to see the big promises that are put out there, about how things will be done and then watch the entire implementation process by a backpedaling from what was previously said
i wont bore you with examples, this just starts looking like blizzard when it comes to promises and implementation of it and the excuses are even worse. it was known how many people would be affected by pos mechanics, just get the fracking job done as it was promised and then think twice before saying things you do not see through |
Ravenstain
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:32:00 -
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This thread NEEDS DEV attention! Lots of good post here.
I feel that CCP Unifex is very wrong in saying that POS rewrite would only affect those people who manage them. The number of people affected by this change cant be measured by the number of people that have POS manager roles (managers of POSes).
POS MANAGERS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES USING THE POS (in most cases anyway).
Look at wormhole dwellers - not all of them have POS manager roles (I dont), but all of them live out of a POS. Similar with nullsec guys. How many POS managers are there is GoonSwarm or TEST? Not that many, I would think, but they are used by many, many others on a regular basis. I dont have the nummbers, obviously, but I would imagine that if you take the number of ppl with POS manager roles you would need to multiply that by at least 10, maybe even 100 to get anywhere near the actual number affected by POS rewrite.
Really hope to see some DEV input in this thread. Most of all it would be great to see CCP Unifex or CCP Seagull post here. Also, I hope TwoStep and the CSM will try and bring this to CCPs attention. If not I wouldnt be surprised to see another Jita riots event (though thats unlikely, I guess)
Ok, Iv gone on for long enough. Going to shut up now :P |
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
185
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:32:00 -
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The current POS system is a mess in a thousand different ways. I've learned my way around it, from the arcane art of POS setup to the utter idiocy of reaction chains, but it needs to be fixed. It doesn't just affect people who run POSes, it affects everyone that uses them, and that list starts with every single player in W-space and a pretty sizeable chunk of nullsec.
The benefits of a POS revamp would extend well beyond the niche that CCP seems to think it would occupy. If nothing else, perhaps if they weren't such a clusterf**k more people WOULD use them. |
Mackenzie Hawkwood
Event Horizon Expeditionaries Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:33:00 -
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Fix POS's please.
I am a small portion of the community Cut Down the UI Tree |
Katashi Valaru
Office of Securities Collection and Management Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:33:00 -
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Please fix these horrible nightmares. |
Giimi
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:33:00 -
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Please fix/liven-up POS. Modular POS, jumping POS, mooring points, no more hacky docking supers to inject skills, whatever. Just make them interesting please. |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:33:00 -
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Dat POS. Guns of Knowledge-á |
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:35:00 -
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Wasn't there talk at some point about roving bands of marauders burning the crops of the massive space empires? I must be confused but how were we planning on achieving this without a revamp to pos? Were you actually going to add spacefrields at some point, did I think this was an analogy when in fact you were going to actually let us burn things in space?
POS would be a great focal point for fighting if there weren't so god damn ********. |
Mjollnir Arcote
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:35:00 -
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Only affects a small part of the player base?!?! The drugs must be good over there at CCP headquarters.
Everything runs on POSes and the abuse CCP inflicts on people that have to run them violates some sort of international convention I'm sure.
Even when I took a few years off from null sec, still couldn't escape the bane that is EVE POS mechanics.
It *needed* to be fixed years ago, saying its not worth the effort now is just plain insulting. |
Osmoses
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:35:00 -
[523] - Quote
fix it! |
fixher
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:35:00 -
[524] - Quote
I am a small portion of the community |
Mirotrem
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:36:00 -
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I use POS on a daily basis and want to kill myself, I would very much enjoy not wanting to kill myself. |
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:37:00 -
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I do not know where to begin expressing my anger that CCP uses the lame currently broken system's usage rates as a benchmark for effectivity of the revamp effort.
- A new POS system was supposed to allow single nomad players and small groups to build a home away from home, up to alliances temporary staging facility and headquarters.
- A new POS can be conflict driver for small gangs and big fleets depending on the size of the object
- A new POS can be game-play and role-play opportunity
How can CCP think its only about crappy management tools which the broken system is the only reason that makes them necessary.
A new POS system is for all 300,000 players and all 600,000 accounts.
*aaargghhh* |
Vince Hawke
Stellar Progression
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:38:00 -
[527] - Quote
I support a revamp! |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:39:00 -
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I was going to keep this for myself but maybe it gives someone at CCP a bit more motivation then my other post here, to stand up in the canteen and jell " YES! WE'RE GOING TO FIX THOSE XXX POS!".
My previous corp had a highsec POS then my ex-CEO in a new character (long story) declared me 'not playing EVE', and ran away with 3 Bil. of BPO's and all my POS modules.
Because that's EVE too, I didn't made much fuzz about it. I'll just research a new Archon BPO, I thought at the time, said goodbye to the corp, since it was clear that the previous CEO could no longer be trusted and jumped back into my old two man corp.
I bought a new tower, bunches of new POS modules, waited a week for the standings to go up and off I went anchoring the POS. After it was online I docked up, grabbed as much modules from my hangar floor that I could fit into the cargo bay and jumped back to the POS.
Half an hour later I docked and moved the POS modules back into my hangar.
Why? Because I realized I hated it. I HATE anchoring stuff especially outside the POS shield. I HATE waiting for every single piece to online. And I hate the interface. I hate how it bugs out at times.
I hate having to CONSTANTLY put in the POS password after every dock/undock. And I hate how it looks. It looks like a stick in space. Not something a capsuleer (demigod) would use or looks up to. It looks like anything but a Player Owned Starbase.
Starbase. It's not a starbase! It's a frakking place holder. How can CCP not want to update this relic from the past?
Don't get me wrong, I want to use it but not as the old outdated Piece Of Sh* it's now.
CCP, please fix! Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13580
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:39:00 -
[529] - Quote
Maybe it's a small part of the player base, because many many players are simply pissed off with POSes and never want to see them again. EVER.
It's not rocket science, POSes as of now and their interface, including roles, is utter shite. Ran one for ages, couldn't bear doing it again. The only time it became less of a chore, was when the fuel blocks were coming and the POS fuel hanger was massive. Short lived.
They suck and so does this decision.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Kristof Atruin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:39:00 -
[530] - Quote
I've wanted to start up my own POS for ages, but after reading about how painful they are to manage I've avoided doing so. When you talk about the "small part of the community" you're only looking at the people who already run a POS. This could be a good way to start bringing farms and fields back to null. |
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Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:39:00 -
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Fix this **** |
Steven Hackett
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:39:00 -
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Some thoughts on the minutes take the POS changes.
Quote:It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥.
The other day i read a devblog from CCP Seagul talking about the role of Senior Producer. In this devblog she talks about "Design for 'Enablers' and 'Instigators'". here is a quote for your pleasure:
Quote:There are some people who make things work - they pre-fit ships for a fleet op, they run mega-spreadsheets for the industry production lines needed to equip the war effort, build tools to manage a corporation or command large fleets. Their activities enable others to have fun in EVE.
I do believe the Enablers is a rather small portion of the player base and I am pretty sure that CCP's definition of an Enabler, also covers the people managing a POS.
The devblog also reads:
Quote:We will start working to give the GÇ¥EnablersGÇ¥ better tools, and to make sure GÇ£InstigatorsGÇ¥ have cool and worthwhile ways to make an impact on the EVE universe when they inspire others to join them.
Now please tell me.. How can giving Enablers better tools, to make sure the rest of the players can enjoy this game to its full potential be worse, than giving enablers better tools, to make sure the 1%(Instigators) have fun?
Does CCP really believe that the playerbase using POS's is a smaller portion than the 1% of the players, Seagul wants to go out her way to please?
Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game is exactly what CCP has done the last long time. Crimewatch, bounties, hell.. even Dust, is focused on a small singular aspect of the game. Some would say it is not, but it is a question of perspective.
The POS revamp for example, is not a singular aspect of the game. The way CCP talked about removing pos shields, you are talking about a game altering effect that will change the gameplay forever. With fixes to security and ship storing, you are opening a door named "w-space" for a lot of EVE Players who would never be trusted because of fear of thefts.
If CCP see the pos revamp as a small singular aspect of the game, then I am afraid that CCP have lost the very things that made EVE possible. The ability to look outside the box. The ability to be inventive and the ability to HTFU.
I hope Unifex made a mistake in the minuts and said something he didn't mean - If not, Seagul and Unifex needs a talk about pow rewamps, CREST and all other change that only affect a "small portion of the community"..
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Helican Vamberfeld
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:40:00 -
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Every day I have to interact with the the horrid interface and permission system.
FIX IT! |
Obifix
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:40:00 -
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Please fix the posses
I am a small portion of the community |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
286
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:40:00 -
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We NEED POS revamp, don't you guys understand!? We are in PAIN with the current system!!!
I Just lost the hope that CCP will do something as significant as a "Sand Castle POS" where you could shape it with 99% freedom... but not even a modular POS1?!?!? WTH!!!! WTF!!!! Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built) Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Xion Sharvas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:42:00 -
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Keep to your promises.
I am a small portion of the community |
NickG158 Sasen
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:42:00 -
[537] - Quote
Fix it please. |
Vektom
Hard Knocks Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:43:00 -
[538] - Quote
Please revamp POS's. |
Beautiful Frelcia
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:44:00 -
[539] - Quote
+1 for POS fixing.
I want modular POSes!!! |
AnarchoCap Ahashion
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:45:00 -
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CCP, please fix the POS's (even if its only the interface) |
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