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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:27:00 -
[1261] - Quote
My first 2 years in 0.0 I was in a small corp in a small alliance and we lived in a POS.
I know first hand what a pos misery is, I live it. Today im in a bigger corp, a bigger alliance I live out of a station, but all my industrial live is done in poses due to 0.0 station / industry limitations, so in a way I still live this nigthmare!
Research, supers build, moon mining, having something I call my home, having a place where I store ammo, fuel, ships. POS are essencial to anyone that lives in 0.0, People that live in wormholes they have nothing else!
I can live with the fact that a NEW Pos will not happen, I can't however live with the current POS system, at least fix it, take the time you need, fix, fix, fix until you reach something we can call "new".
Pos windows UI sucks
Pos Management sucks
Module anchor/unchor mechaniscs sucks
Modules behavior, functionality sucks
Art sucks
Guns sucks
Pos gunning sucks
Pos moon mining sucks
Pos refining sucks
Pos invention sucks
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start with something, change everything, step by step, just fix this **** please
just this justifies
A SPRING OF RAGE
maybe if everybody that uses a pos starts unsubing in mass CCP wakes up again!
Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
229
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:27:00 -
[1262] - Quote
mynnna wrote:To reiterate what I see is the problem here is not that they aren't doing them yet and (evidently) that they aren't working on them at all, but that they seem to see it as a problem that only affects "a small part" of the playerbase and so perhaps do not regard it as a higher priority item.
That is clearly very, very wrong.
Ditto. Faction Warfare affects a much smaller portion of players, it was worthy of advertising as one of the new features for an "expansion". Same thing with war declarations, no one in null or w-space care about them and they are meaningless when it comes to low sec as well, yet they're receiving yet some more attention in the upcoming "expansions". This dueling affects only people in high sec, and some very limited number of people who dwell in low sec and yet somehow lack balls to simply attack the target with or without any possible dueling mechanics. In short, everything they're doing is affecting a smaller portion of the userbase than this is, with the sole exception of ship rebalancing.
Which brings us to the situation we have now. 2 developers who have clearly called us the minority that doesn't matter. What CCP Gargant said, makes sense and is perfectly acceptable, but unless he is the one in charge of this POS revamp instead of Soundwave and Unifex, it's completely meaningless.
That said, I suppose I've finally joined the rank of bittervets and am unsubbing. Will still continue playing via plex, but having a hard time justifying actually paying real money for the development team that has lost the trust in providing the support I consider adequate for the money. |
Blake Halsted
Procyon Holdings
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:28:00 -
[1263] - Quote
I have specifically stayed out of Tech2 Invention because of the current state of POS'es. |
Batard
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:28:00 -
[1264] - Quote
pl0x fix |
Atla Wolffriend
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:28:00 -
[1265] - Quote
/signed
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Brie DeMarllene
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:30:00 -
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+1 for OP... POSes need to be fixed. Their current use is the entire reason I DON'T use them and the REASON I moved out of a WH. POSes are literally starving off other gameplay elements. If you can't see that you didn't spend enough "prototyping" time on the new game play features. If you are saying "everyone" won't be affected then iterate on the damn feature until you finally see that EVERYONE will be or could play a part in their construction. |
Saangi Xhaxhu
Murderous Inc
6
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:30:00 -
[1267] - Quote
Miscommunication or not, making any statement about how few people POS changes would affect is nothing short of marginalizing anyone who has ever dealt with current POS mechanics, anyone who has ever avoided them because of bad stories and anyone who has ever benefited from the work of their corp/alliance logistics bros (ie: a lot of the playerbase).
I fully support this thread and hope that fixing POSes isn't getting bumped down the development queue because of some ill conceived notion that it isn't worth as much time as other things. That is exactly what I DO NOT want to see and what I find unacceptable in the linked quotes in the original post.
A fully fleshed out modular POS system in one go is certainly a pie in the sky idea, but we really need to seem some more convincing facts about what small steps of iteration you plan to do with this system, no matter how difficult it might be. I don't pay for this game for you to rationalize your way out from under the difficult issues, CCP. You make the bed, you lie in it.
The POS mechanics are inherently flawed and this is felt especially strongly by us folks in wormholes who have to live out of them, with no alternative. But anyone who has put up a POS in any system in New Eden knows all the headaches.
The bullet list of what I'd like to see:
>small iterative changes would be most welcome, even if you don't want to base a whole expansion on this (fuel blocks were a great start)
>standings/tabs/roles adjustments being easier to manage really needs to happen sooner rather than later
>the ability for an individual to run a POS effectively while in a corporation without having to have it tied to corp roles/needing to have an alt corp would be great
>any changes towards a more modular POS setup would be nice to see, even if done slowly
Barring damage control from CCP, if anyone organizes a rally/protest regarding this issue, I will be there with all 3 accounts. |
Sanfrey Statolomy
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:31:00 -
[1268] - Quote
this thread has blown up, which is awesome!!
oh and i support a POS revamp, we are not a small portion of the community!! |
Tover Chris
Suicide Kings
21
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:31:00 -
[1269] - Quote
mynnna wrote:
In the interest of being fair and balanced I would like to point out to my fellow players that nothing from a game developer should be taken as a promise until there has been a firm commitment to doing so.
Part of the outcome of the Jita riots was to be more upfront and honest with the playerbase.
That means when you say you plan to do something, that it's not just blowing smoke up our asses. |
Icarus Narcissus
Kraken Industrial Holdings
Kraken.
7
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:31:00 -
[1270] - Quote
At about 1.5 responses per minute (on average) I think CCP realized we were all in (using) a POS waiting for Two step to light the cyno to bridge. |
Nadrok Enderas
Portland Research
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1271] - Quote
i use a POS everyday for tech 2 production and fully support a revamp to the current system!!! id like to think i am not a small part of this community. |
Alezia Fireblazer
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1272] - Quote
W-Space for POS-changes! |
Voyan Ageri
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1273] - Quote
A POS rework helps all of New Eden. |
Wivabel
Exanimo Inc
Unclaimed.
80
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Yes CCP fix posses. This is one of the things I was most excited about. Right now they are terrible and I will not use them.
FIX POSSES and stop being Vaginas with a capitol V.
Wiv
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Cid Tazer
The Green Cross
Against ALL Anomalies
15
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1275] - Quote
Unfortunately I don't think pitchforks and rage will change Unifex's opinion on this. . . . . . . Data on the other hand is a much better tool to get the general point across.
For CCP: What metric did Unifex/Seagull/Ripley/Soundwave use to come to the conclusion that the major POS work would effect a small number of people?
For Players: What kind of metric do you think would show CCP how important changing the state of POSes is?
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Lurifax
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1276] - Quote
I am baffled that CCP thought that they could skip POS's again. |
Ashgar Aurilen
Crown of Swords
Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:34:00 -
[1277] - Quote
I agree, POS revamp would draw more subscribers and benefit all of EvE |
Captain Praxis
EVE University
Ivy League
117
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:35:00 -
[1278] - Quote
I don't currently POS, but I'd like to! |
Wivabel
Exanimo Inc
Unclaimed.
80
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:35:00 -
[1279] - Quote
Its only a small number of people because of how terrible posses are right now.
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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
316
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:36:00 -
[1280] - Quote
Nair Alderau wrote:mynnna wrote:To reiterate what I see is the problem here is not that they aren't doing them yet and (evidently) that they aren't working on them at all, but that they seem to see it as a problem that only affects "a small part" of the playerbase and so perhaps do not regard it as a higher priority item.
That is clearly very, very wrong. Very, very wrong indeed.
Very, very, VERY wrong indeed.
Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built)
Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Ibesa
Defenders of Vogsphere
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:36:00 -
[1281] - Quote
+1 for the POS revamp - pls do it now and do it right |
evsnike
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:36:00 -
[1282] - Quote
W-Space for POS-changes! |
Ischie
Murderous Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:36:00 -
[1283] - Quote
Bring us the modular pos revamp ccp! please!
I would like to see a jumpable pos configuration as part of the modular set of possibilities. |
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
Quixotic Hegemony
52
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:36:00 -
[1284] - Quote
+1 for pos revamp. I hate setting them bastards up, but taking them down is even more of an annoyance. So much so I want to just leave the pos there. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:37:00 -
[1285] - Quote
I completely agree that not doing something to improve POS mechanics because it supposedly will only affect a small percentage of the player base is absolutely absurd. POSes are found in every area of the game, and not in small number; the fact that a small group of people manage them means nothing, a far greater number of people benefit from using them. CCP, please revisit this issue and at least clarify your position on this, seems like Unifex's statement has at the very least caused a lot of confusion. |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
60
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:37:00 -
[1286] - Quote
While I'd like to see the modular pos idea - and any number of improvements....
not the least among which would be...
Ability to rent out slots...(be interesting to get rid of station services and be forced to use player owned slots wouldn't it? I know I know...BURN THE WITCH!)
Ability to place them at more locations than just moons...
I was really impressed with the first section of the csm minutes and ccp really sounds like they want to put more thought into what they're going to do so...
I'm on board absolutely but not if it means ccp falling back into their old way of doing things - it really sounds like they're trying to turn it around and be more mindful of what they're doing and why they're doing it.
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
445
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:37:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Nah, people will just get fed up with unnecessary work and quietly log off.
Then forget to log back on again...
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Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
183
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:38:00 -
[1288] - Quote
Cid Tazer wrote:Unfortunately I don't think pitchforks and rage will change Unifex's opinion on this. . . . . . . Data on the other hand is a much better tool to get the general point across.
For CCP: What metric did Unifex/Seagull/Ripley/Soundwave use to come to the conclusion that the major POS work would effect a small number of people?
For Players: What kind of metric do you think would show CCP how important changing the state of POSes is?
I HOPE twelve hundred posts in 12 hours will have more weight on his opinion than you think.
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Demon Botaniq
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:38:00 -
[1289] - Quote
W-Space for POS-changes! |
Tommock
Hard Knocks Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:38:00 -
[1290] - Quote
modular pos naow!!!11oneoneone |
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