And if there isn't room in the game for people who suck at it, the game will go away.

Right now, such room exists.

Tired of miners all hiding in high sec? Remove the high yield ores (condensed, luminous, etc) from high sec so they only appear in low and null and increase their yield over the 10% and 20% they are now.

First off, I don't think I have ever said, anywhere, that all non-consensual PvP should be taken out of the game. If i did, sorry. Cutting all non-consensual PvP wouldn't solve the problem. (It would be interesting to see what it would do, though.

Returning to the theme of the thread, IMHO, the current game mechanics seem to me to attract players who are not player friendly. For instance, I travel a lot and watch local chat. I may go months before I see any one say or do anything friendly. The majority of what is posted in those channels isn't even civil. No. I'm not advocating that the chat channels be moderated.

And if there isn't room in the game for people who suck at it, the game will go away.

Right now, such room exists.

Highsec play time to replace a reasonable L4 missioning ship is several hours of L4 missions, even given optimal play.

This isn't a problem.

Since you are in Goonswarm you probably have some idea of how long it would take to earn the isk to replace a reasonable nullsec ratting ship by ratting with that ship. From what people claim on the forums and the market price of the fits it looks like it takes 2-3 hours to earn enough ratting to replace a decent ratting rig.

Having other sources of income, as well as savings from successful play, doesn't change that.

Yeah, I don't know nullsec. So?

If what I said is wrong, correct it.

so what you're saying is, if asteroids in low sec were worth 20% more than asteroids in high sec, people would mine in low sec?
is that honestly what you're implying?

please say you're not that stupid. please.

I was editing while you were responding, and I don't see what my ignorance of nullsec operations has to do with my ability to comment on PvE rewards in highsec.

For L4 missions an ordinary Dominix with a T2 fit is quite a good choice, but if all you are doing to pay for it is L4 missions it will take a few hours of earnings to cover replacement costs.

I said increase their yield higher than 20%. I bolded it so it is easier for you to read.

The value that would push people to go to low sec would vary by person to person, with some never leaving the safety of high sec.

You don't see how you ignorance of Null sec affects your post COMPARING high sec pve to null sec pve?


Just like in null sec where a good ratting ship like a mach or vindi will take hours of grinding. you can do it in cheaper ships sure, but the cost/time will scale almost the same way. A dominix in Forsaken Hubs will still take time to grind up like it would in a lvl 4 mission, it wouldn't be that much faster at all.

You have a common misundertanding of null sec if you think you get isk just from jumping in to a 0.0 system and warping to the 1st belt you find lol.

I wouldn't know about earning isk in nullsec, only what people claim on the forums.

I trade and do highsec missions and PI.

It's relaxing and fun for me, and I don't have a killboard to show for it.

Am I playing EvE wrong?

sure it does, but low sec ores are already worth 20% more than high sec ores, hence me questioning the stupidity of your statement.

in short; your suggestion changes nothing.

The bottom line.
People that stay docked do so because they don't want to lose a ship. I don't care who you are, or where you play. It makes no diffence if you're a high sec industrialist, or -A- claiming it's to deny good fights.

When you don't undock it's because you're trying to not to lose a ship, and that's simply pathetic.

I did the whole alliance corp nullsec deal way back about four years ago and found it really not to my liking, people were dishonest, teamspeak was required, and we were expected to dance to somebody elses tune. I just don't have the time for that, but if that's what makes you feel happy, I have nothing against it at all.

CCP doesn't only listen to the people who get 10,000 votes from their alliance bloc. You dramatically overestimate the power the CSM holds.

-Liang

Ed: Also, CCP has done tons for my mostly solo/super small corp play style since Apocrypha.

Why would you think you're playing EVE wrong? I am a mostly PVE player who plays in high low and null so (unlike you) I am familiar with a broad spectrum of PVE earning capabilities.

You're not playing wrong, you're simply doing forum posting wrong lol. Why comment on something you know you don't have any information on? I've simpyl corrected your provably incorrect notions about a place you admit knowing nothing about? That doesn't show much common sense is all I'm saying.

So, what's your take on the need for a place where people can fail at EvE without being pushed out of the game completely?

(usual l33t PvP bitching-bragging about how EVE is too safe).

Well, the only thing I got wrong in my original post was how much a reasonable nullsec ratting ship would cost.

I'd seen the 55M/tick claim before (a lot), and figured that a half-billion isk ship would be able to get a significant portion of that for a well-skilled character. I guess I was wrong there.

So, what's your take on the need for a place where people can fail at EvE without being pushed out of the game completely?

As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.

But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.

High Sec already exists.

Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.

I think that's mostly the point of highsec, and the point of the way NPC faction content is setup.

Even if someone fails at the game completely they can pick themselves back up in pretty short order.

Except if they were worth 50% or 100% more than I would have to consider mining them. I mine in high sec. 20% more isn't enough to make me leave for lowsec. or nullsec. The increase in profit has to outweigh the risk of loss, or else it is not worth doing.

I take it you don't do anything in high sec except grief people? If you took a minute to understand why people stay in high sec you could understand what it would take to draw us out.

Also, I do have an alt to suicide gank miners. Not because it is fun, but because killing someone else mining in my belt and having that ore to myself outweighs the cost of losing that ship.

the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.