You'll just keep proving that i'm right.

I'M THE MAJORITY !!


edit: sorry, i edited my post above and you responded to it before i was done.
you might want to adjust yours too. otoh, it doesn't matter.

You'll just keep proving that i'm right. That you really hate all of us and that you are far superior to any of us, because ...

... Ignorance is Strength, right ?

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.

Lowsec got a lovely new toy to play with. That Venture. Slipperiest ship in EvE. If it had of gone with it's earlier iteration (3 turrets rather than 2 turrets, utility high and a 100% bonus to mining) it could of been a hilarious pvp tool. Imagine a fleet of battle badgers backed up with ventures.

You should check mineral prices. The best lowsec ore provides 10% higher revenue than the best hisec ore, and there is no way you can afford to mine in lowsec for that overprice. Just the time it would take to go in and out would kill your ISK/hour to the point of futility.

As someone stated above, the only "viable" way to mine in lowsec is horribly complex and cumbersome, implying a dozen guys for weeks -and don't have any stroke of bad luck.

Of course, the average braindead response is easy to figure: "I would like to put a nerf on all hisec ores!" (read that as P.D. Gumby).

And as usual, that would kill EVE quite fast once all the people who find their sweet spot of risk/reward in hisec mining see it vanish for no good reason -and with it, any rason they had to play the game.

(BTW, hisec mining is a hazardous profession. It can leave permanent bruises on your face from falling asleep on the keyboard)

Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.

The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away.

Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.

You've got nothing invested in the game except hopes. What incentive is there to try and find out if you could be the most successful Eve player ever, in whatever field you choose?

I'm not sure what I would have done if I had lost my first real ship on my first day in the game. They didn't have the "This Is How To Lose A Ship' tutorial then.

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.

Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.

With all due respect, i think you are playing the wrong game.

the lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility.

I just started reading the CSM winter minutes.

On page 10, fourth paragraph.



CCP Unifex.


The "lurking single player" makes the biggest group of characters.

Characters.

x players have y characters, with x being in between 0 and y-1, btw.

y represents the sum of all characters. As was pointed out in the minutes, they can't reliably tell how many characters
a player has.

The quote above means that most players have solo playing characters in their character slots.

It does NOT mean that in EvE, solo players are the majority !


Why, i hear you ask ??


Because the solo character can easily be an *alt* of the player who heavily socializes !



This thread now dies.

Please change your title, it's officially wrong.

^ lol roleplayers

I am the previous post quoted "as someone above" who described low sec mining.

I will keep the description going for you: there's no "get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back" because:

1) There are no high grade ores in low sec. There are excruciantly few systems providing very, very bad low end zydrine yielding roids whose ISK/h is a non factor.

2) Not only they are excruciantly few, but they are far away from "close to hi sec". Last one I have been, not too far from an old base system we had (Esesier), was 9 jumps in low sec. In fact, in ancient times CCP designed a very smooth progression from hi sec roids to null sec, those "slightly higher grade" roids are much closer to 0.0 low sec entrances than hi sec.

3) The low sec => hi sec transition you describe poses its own problems in terms of smartbombing battleships located on some "obvious" routes, forcing additional steps like having to jump more and / or adding avoid-smartbomb gate bookmarks.

you were talking about mining as a profitable profession. In this case you are correct, if I was to actually mine, mine, mine then I would probably need either the logistical hellchain you have going or just afk in hi sec (not in gallente space, I hear there is an RP pvp cult around there).

Logistical hellchain, sounds like great fun.

I've heard about those RP-PVP guys.

That is a waste of time. You better stay in hisec, mine scordite like there's no tomorrow and sell in the nearest hub (which may be just 1 jump away). Just traveling in and out of lowsec will kill your ISK/hour, period.

(Admiteddly I haven't undocked since October so I don't know how well performs the Venture, but being 5000 m3, i'm sure that it will fill up faster = more time wasted in travel + additional chances to be smartbombed at a hi<->lo gate. And no matter how free it is, you still will have to fit it for lowsec)

And this is the weird part... after they blow up your ship, some of them will even give you advice on how to be better prepaired next time.

There is nothing interesting in Low Sec. I've been there. There isn't much of anything in Low Sec except people who can't make it in Null. I've been there, too.

I would be willing to bet that you have never given or received advice on ship fits after losing one, or killing one. Another urban myth.

Bottom line is there are two possible interpretations of 'GF'. Think about it.

Seriously? You've never blown someone up, seen their fit, and been like... 'That poor guy needs help. I'm going to deposit some good karma with the Universe and offer some advice. Maybe make a new friend'.

Stuff...
Fly safe (but loaded for bear)
Z3

Anyway, you can play the game however you ******* want, but you're not some special snowflake because you're flying solo.

Seriously? You've never blown someone up, seen their fit, and been like... 'That poor guy needs help. I'm going to deposit some good karma with the Universe and offer some advice. Maybe make a new friend'.