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Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins
159
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Posted - 2013.01.20 15:53:00 -
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Nick Asir wrote:I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups.
Small group of alts you mean--and yes they do want solo players making said alts. Thanks to PLEX (what really broke EVE more than anything else ever has) I can now run 2-4 accounts at once and take care of all my logistic/income need and even make enough to keep all 4 accounts running. In fact, for the small-scale/soloist, alts become better than other players. Alts are always on when I want them to be, always do what I want them to do and they never, ever decide to kill me and take my stuff (unless I'm drunk and lock the wrong target). |
Nicor Syke'Nexen
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.01.20 16:15:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:People always try to claim how sandboxy EVE is, but the sandbox only barely begins if you are in a player corp and/or leave high sec. So join a player corp and leave highsec
Well, I would, but I haven't had an SA account for 3 months yet... plus I only lurk there. |
Ghazu
501
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Posted - 2013.01.20 16:51:00 -
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lol solo not carebear highsec heaven getout. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1494
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Posted - 2013.01.20 17:08:00 -
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ITT: Cognitive Dissonance "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.01.20 17:33:00 -
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Nick Asir wrote:... Why would you play solo anyway? This has been answered by so many people it's tiring and no one seems to be listening. I play solo and will continue to because I bloody well want to...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3245
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Posted - 2013.01.20 18:48:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Nick Asir wrote:I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups. Small group of alts you mean--and yes they do want solo players making said alts. Thanks to PLEX (what really broke EVE more than anything else ever has) I can now run 2-4 accounts at once and take care of all my logistic/income need and even make enough to keep all 4 accounts running. In fact, for the small-scale/soloist, alts become better than other players. Alts are always on when I want them to be, always do what I want them to do and they never, ever decide to kill me and take my stuff (unless I'm drunk and lock the wrong target). I've torpedoed my dominix before with my raven. Opps !! (It didn't die) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
417
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Posted - 2013.01.20 18:50:00 -
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Nick Asir wrote:I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups. CCP wants anyone who pays a sub. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Skorpynekomimi
380
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:15:00 -
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I have a corp and alliance, but I mostly play solo. I ended up separated from the majority of them after I took a hiatus, but I prefer to stay in highsec.
Mainly because of the easy market access. Nullsec was a bust for me; without the time to attend CTAs at all hours, it just didn't appeal to me.
However, 'solo' doesn't mean 'completely alone'. I interact with the market, I hang out with corp-mates and friends when I can, and I even venture into lowsec occasionally. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:01:00 -
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Nick Asir wrote:I dont think that CCP wants solo players. Why would you play solo anyway? Seems every aspect of the game is much easier in even small groups.
YOU ARE very wrong my friend.
I rather have a dozen solo players moaning about something than a single one threatening of leaving with his army of alts.
CHARACTERS in game means nothing real accounts played do, and those like it or not, represent something for CCP when they leave than a single nerd with his army of alts/screens and bots blahblahin'g on GD with his army of alts and answering/supporting him self.
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Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
66
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:03:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: Unifex DID NOT say that there are more solo PLAYERS.
You guys are agrueing something on the basis that Unifex said it, and he NEVER SAID IT.
He said that solo player represent the most CHARACTERS, not that there are more solo players.
If you guys are going to quote what he said and argue over it, at least argue over what he said. You guys managed threee pages of an arguement based off something Unifex DIDN'T ******* SAY.
A discussion over solo vs group players is one thing, using something a dev said to say that others are wrong, when the dev never even said what you gusy are saying he said is rediculous.
So by this statement (bold above), if solo players represent most characters, then solo players represent the most income for CCP, so CCP would be pretty stoopid not to cater to the solo playstyle. Right?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3247
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:06:00 -
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The new EVE Online: But Alone expansion. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
66
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:08:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I'm a solo player. I'm not a casual. I'm not a carebear. Casual players are targets.
Please go die in a fire.
Ish did NOT say anything about casuals or carebears, she was endorsing the idea of providing more for solo players (of whatever persuasion) to do. I dunno but you might want to consider the idea that this might actually include more tools for you to use solo while preying on casuals / carebears.
But from the sound of it you've already got firm hold of the only tool you'll ever need.
Enjoy.
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Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
66
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:We already had this discussion with the hisec vs nullsec population numbers.
The same as then, what matters is what people DOES: they stay in hisec, and they do it to play solo. GǪand as usual, there's little to indicate this. All we have to indicate what the players do is that a lot of them engage in solo play on occasion GÇö only some 16% do it exclusively. Quote:But they do measure what characters do, and it turns that, by their own words, "lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility". GǪwhich, as Natsett points out tells us very little about what the actual players do. It also raises the question of methodology. Do they count all those NPC-corp highsec mission alts as GÇ£a lurking single playerGÇ¥ because it's the group-play nullsec main that makes all the noise? As always, all they can talk about is characters. Characters are not the same thing as players, and character behaviour only provides a very fractured and piecemeal sample of actual player behaviour. Confessor Golab wrote:Yep, Ischtanchuk, I totally agree with you.
When I started to play, I also thought that nullsec play was the endgame of EVE, then joined a nullsec alliance and after an incredibly boring and annoying month or six understood how wrong I was. The problem is that you though EVE had an endgame and that you joined a very boring nullsec alliance. It's not particularly hard to find one without CTAs or without any politics you have to care about.
Even if it's true that the majority of PLAYERS are not purely solo players, but that the majority of CHARACTERS are used in a solo fashion, why would you argue against more stuff / more tools that soloists can benefit from (whether players or characters)? Your mission alt might benefit from a richer mix of missions to run; your trade alt might benefit from better trade tools to use; your mining alt might benefit from a more interesting mining game; your industrial alt might better from a slicker manufacturing interface. All of those things would be good for solo players as well as solo characters, and that's just touching the tip of the iceberg.
Ish isn't arguing that us solo players want some attention that's tuned JUST to us; she's just saying that when considering the themes, CCP should make sure there is stuff covered by that theme that we can do too - even if we're doing it at a disadvantage to groups doing the same thing. (Correct me if I'm wrong here Ish!)
Z3
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:20:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:
So by this statement (bold above), if solo players represent most characters, then solo players represent the most income for CCP, so CCP would be pretty stoopid not to cater to the solo playstyle. Right?
Z3
No, that's fail logic.
It just means that people use alts for most of the solo activity. Market alts aren't grouping. Industrial alts aren't grouping. Mission running alts aren't grouping.
The player benind those alts groups though, just on thier main.
And it would be stupid to cater to the solo guy, because the PLAYER controlling all those solo CHARACTERS is a GROUP PLAYER. You're ignoring that part.
CCP doesn't cater to the group palyer either, so you don't have to worry.
They cater to the player run corp player. Something that seems to be lost on some of you.
It doesn't matter if you play solo or you play in a group. It matters whether or not you play in or out of a player run corporation. The people who play in player run corporations are the most important players in EVE. CCP wants you in the player run corporations.
You may notice they never actually ask, "how do we get more players to group?" They do ask quite often, "how do we get more player to play in player run corporations?"
EVE has never been a game that emphasizes group or solo play. It's about player interaction and the player dynamic that arises from the player run corporations.
You guys keep looking at EVE the same way you look at themepark MMO's. You're doing it wrong. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3247
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:30:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:You guys keep looking at EVE the same way you look at themepark MMO's. You're doing it wrong. A player-run corporation themepark ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
67
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:04:00 -
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Nailing my own colours to the mast here. Have done so before but happy to reiterate!
I've been playing EVE for about 2.5 years now. I love this game because of its complexity and depth, and because of its sandbox nature. For me it's Elite all growed up with knobs on, a game I grew up with. EVE is the best game I've ever played, bar none.
I also love the MMO nature of EVE, even though I mostly play solo. It gives an extra edge to the game, a sense of constant danger and risk you just don't get from pure solo games. And I like interacting with other players, on my own terms.
Why I play solo. Well I joined a player corp soon after starting, I learnt a lot from them and enjoyed their company; but there were a few things made me realise that me being in a corp wasn't likely to work for me long-term.
First was the requirement for voice comms (which is pretty much universal for any corp op in any corp). When I'm playing EVE, I'm sitting next to my wife in front of the TV. I play enough that she already jokes about EVE being the "other woman" so I have a balancing act to perform. If I put on headphones (so I can hear voice comms) that's a step too far for my relationship with her. Likewise if I played in another room (so I could speak as well as hear). So voice comms are out for me (because rl wife > any game :o) ).
Second was corp politics. Now most of the guys in this corp were really cool, but it was still clear that the corp was largely run to help the top few do what they wanted; and my goals and theirs were different. On this point I'm sure there are corps run in different ways and happy for people to do their own thing; but given the point about voice comms as well I just think there's not much point me joining someone else's corp because corp requirements would limit me, and I don't think i'd be able to add much to the corp.
Now there may well come a time when there are things I want to do in game for which joining a corp would be a big benefit; so I won't say "never", just "not now, and not until I can find the right corp".
So I have my own corp (because why pay tax to NPCs?), 2 accounts 6 characters.
How I play. I dual box. I do mostly PVE stuff - a little mining (for building stuff), a little missioning, mostly exploration. I'm not a hisec carebear though; over the last year I've spent most of my time in W-space, doing the nomad thing (alt in Orca). I don't go looking for trouble, but I still enjoy f*cking with people when they're nearby (amazing how big a gang will run for cover in w-space when they see combats on d-scan). I'm currently skilling for a Stealth Bomber - look out when it lands, because I'll start properly hunting in w-space then :o) I've also spent a lot of time in lowsec and some in NPC null.
For me I look at expansions and often think "well there's nothing there for me." Highlights recently have been revamped crimewatch (I love the Limited Engagements because it means I can get a 1 on 1 with a crim without his mates piling in. I now fly ready to fight in hisec) and the Venture (W-space Ladar sites). I've been looking forward to the POS revamp for ages - hoping for a true scalable system to give me my own personal hideout with maybe some refining / research / manufacturing capability - so now very disappointed that CCP seem to be backtracking on that.
So that's me, why I play this MMO, why I play it solo, and why I hope CCP starts at least thinking more about us solo players when planning expansions.
Fly safe (but loaded for bear) Z3
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1618
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You guys keep looking at EVE the same way you look at themepark MMO's. You're doing it wrong. A player-run corporation themepark ! They could add ponies! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:10:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:We already had this discussion with the hisec vs nullsec population numbers.
The same as then, what matters is what people DOES: they stay in hisec, and they do it to play solo. GǪand as usual, there's little to indicate this. All we have to indicate what the players do is that a lot of them engage in solo play on occasion GÇö only some 16% do it exclusively. Quote:But they do measure what characters do, and it turns that, by their own words, "lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility". GǪwhich, as Natsett points out tells us very little about what the actual players do. It also raises the question of methodology. Do they count all those NPC-corp highsec mission alts as GÇ£a lurking single playerGÇ¥ because it's the group-play nullsec main that makes all the noise? As always, all they can talk about is characters. Characters are not the same thing as players, and character behaviour only provides a very fractured and piecemeal sample of actual player behaviour. Confessor Golab wrote:Yep, Ischtanchuk, I totally agree with you.
When I started to play, I also thought that nullsec play was the endgame of EVE, then joined a nullsec alliance and after an incredibly boring and annoying month or six understood how wrong I was. The problem is that you though EVE had an endgame and that you joined a very boring nullsec alliance. It's not particularly hard to find one without CTAs or without any politics you have to care about. Even if it's true that the majority of PLAYERS are not purely solo players, but that the majority of CHARACTERS are used in a solo fashion, why would you argue against more stuff / more tools that soloists can benefit from (whether players or characters)? Your mission alt might benefit from a richer mix of missions to run; your trade alt might benefit from better trade tools to use; your mining alt might benefit from a more interesting mining game; your industrial alt might better from a slicker manufacturing interface. All of those things would be good for solo players as well as solo characters, and that's just touching the tip of the iceberg. Ish isn't arguing that us solo players want some attention that's tuned JUST to us; she's just saying that when considering the themes, CCP should make sure there is stuff covered by that theme that we can do too - even if we're doing it at a disadvantage to groups doing the same thing. (Correct me if I'm wrong here Ish!) Z3
No, not wrong. CCP is already thinking about it, as "lurkers" are one of the 5 groups that should get attention on each multi-threaded expansion. Now, the issue is that we get the right attention, on the assumption that we all got a reason to play solo and don't want to stop doing it. We don't want to be punished for not playing in groups (FAI: incursions) and don't need to be nerfed so we are forced to play in group just to keep our income. We need more carrots, not a bigger stick.
As you state, many features can be used by everyone independently of wether they are usable by soloers or don't. We don't need all the cake, but getting a piece of it in every expansion would be sweet. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1075
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:20:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:(...)
First was the requirement for voice comms (which is pretty much universal for any corp op in any corp). When I'm playing EVE, I'm sitting next to my wife in front of the TV. I play enough that she already jokes about EVE being the "other woman" so I have a balancing act to perform. If I put on headphones (so I can hear voice comms) that's a step too far for my relationship with her. Likewise if I played in another room (so I could speak as well as hear). So voice comms are out for me (because rl wife > any game :o) ).
I salute you, brother-in-arms! In my case it's not my wife, but anyway me speaking to the computer would be equally troublesome (and headphones are a must). But anyway, I hate talking to machines, be them telephones or computers. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
67
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:21:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Zyrbalax III wrote:
So by this statement (bold above), if solo players represent most characters, then solo players represent the most income for CCP, so CCP would be pretty stoopid not to cater to the solo playstyle. Right?
Z3
No, that's fail logic. It just means that people use alts for most of the solo activity. Market alts aren't grouping. Industrial alts aren't grouping. Mission running alts aren't grouping. The player benind those alts groups though, just on thier main. And it would be stupid to cater to the solo guy, because the PLAYER controlling all those solo CHARACTERS is a GROUP PLAYER. You're ignoring that part. CCP doesn't cater to the group palyer either, so you don't have to worry. They cater to the player run corp player. Something that seems to be lost on some of you. It doesn't matter if you play solo or you play in a group. It matters whether or not you play in or out of a player run corporation. The people who play in player run corporations are the most important players in EVE. CCP wants you in the player run corporations. You may notice they never actually ask, "how do we get more players to group?" They do ask quite often, "how do we get more player to play in player run corporations?" EVE has never been a game that emphasizes group or solo play. It's about player interaction and the player dynamic that arises from the player run corporations. You guys keep looking at EVE the same way you look at themepark MMO's. You're doing it wrong.
I don't think I am ignoring your first point; even if most solo characters are run by group-oriented players, those players still spend time playing with their solo characters, so surely even group players can benefit from EVE development that is aimed at solo play - more varied missions, better industrial interface, better mining game etc, so we should be on the same page there.
And sometimes CCP does cater exclusively to the group player - incursions? Not a soloable activity. Now I'm not complaining about there being activities in the game that can't be soloed - this is an MMO after all - I'm just saying that with the new "themed" development approach CCP is taking, I'd like to know that there will be *something* in each expansion that adds to some aspect of the game that can be done solo - even if it can only be done solo at a disadvantage to those players doing the same activity in a group. Is that asking too much?
I am in a player-run corp btw; but that corp is just me and my alts, so not sure if that counts in your book!
For me, I've never played another MMO. And in a sandbox, for one player to tell another "you're doing it wrong" is pretty arrogant. Guess that's what I've come to expect from a Goonie
Z3
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1619
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:31:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:I don't think I am ignoring your first point; even if most solo characters are run by group-oriented players, those players still spend time playing with their solo characters, so surely even group players can benefit from EVE development that is aimed at solo play - more varied missions, better industrial interface, better mining game etc, so we should be on the same page there. And sometimes CCP does cater exclusively to the group player - incursions? Not a soloable activity. Now I'm not complaining about there being activities in the game that can't be soloed - this is an MMO after all - I'm just saying that with the new "themed" development approach CCP is taking, I'd like to know that there will be *something* in each expansion that adds to some aspect of the game that can be done solo - even if it can only be done solo at a disadvantage to those players doing the same activity in a group. Is that asking too much? I am in a player-run corp btw; but that corp is just me and my alts, so not sure if that counts in your book! For me, I've never played another MMO. And in a sandbox, for one player to tell another "you're doing it wrong" is pretty arrogant. Guess that's what I've come to expect from a Goonie Z3 That's not what Unifex was saying though.
Unifex never said that the majority of players are solo players. He's being quoted and then an arguement is being made that has nothing to do with what Unifex said.
From what I understand, CCP surveys said that 16% of the playerbase plays solo.
If anything, he's pointing out that of that 16%, lurkers make up the majority. He never said that lurkers are the majority of all players.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3248
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:37:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:That's not what Unifex was saying though.
Unifex never said that the majority of players are solo players. He's being quoted and then an arguement is being made that has nothing to do with what Unifex said.
From what I understand, CCP surveys said that 16% of the playerbase plays solo.
If anything, he's pointing out that of that 16%, lurkers make up the majority. He never said that lurkers are the majority of all players. We need content for the lurkers?
How about some CONCORD? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
640
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:48:00 -
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Now that we've identified the problem, we can start to work on solutions. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2394
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:00:00 -
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Eve Online Translation sheet:
Griefing = "social interaction" Grouping = "uber leet form of gameplay that all the world should fall at your feet over for if you can work in a group in an MMO, yuo have done what was intended in the first place that that alone is an accomplishment greater than walking on the moon" Ganking = "Emergent play" Solo play = "amusement park gaming"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12756
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:07:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve Online Translation sheet:
Griefing = "social interaction" griefing, which gets you banned. Grouping = "uber leet form of yadda yadda" understanding that you're not lagging behind since the most powerful weapon in EVE is +1 fleet. Ganking = "Emergent play" ganking, something you consent to by pressing the undock button. Solo play = "amusement park gaming" solo play, comes in many form including a faux-themepark mode It needs some work Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:09:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: TL;DR: solo players are by CCP's words a majority in EVE and have been largely ignored. One of the approaches to EVE's next decade it's dealing with us and the person in charge is CCP Seagull. Follow the link and make your voice heard.
I remember you - you were that moron advocating CQ/WIS.
Yes - I play mostly solo. That doesn't mean I like spacebarbies online, highsec l4s or highsec insursions. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:A well designed expansion does not have to cater to the group player anymore than it has to cater to a solo player, and part of the point of their new development process is to get back to that. Apocrypha and wormholes are a good example of this - you have C1/C2s on the low end and C5/C6 on the high end. Contrast that with Incursion, where if you're a solo player, you're told HTFU and group or get out.
Agreed, I recall, CCP stating that they intended for incursion running to be a PUG type of PvE in order to encourage people to get away from solo and corp only activities and work with others, even when those others might be someone they'd never met before. of course some of those PUGs formed into little clicks and tight knit groups that are hard to get into now, but at first it was working as intended.
:)
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3249
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:43:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: TL;DR: solo players are by CCP's words a majority in EVE and have been largely ignored. One of the approaches to EVE's next decade it's dealing with us and the person in charge is CCP Seagull. Follow the link and make your voice heard.
I remember you - you were that moron advocating CQ/WIS. Yes - I play mostly solo. That doesn't mean I like spacebarbies online, highsec l4s or highsec insursions. I should think you'd love you some highsec l5s, like in the good old days. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
77
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Posted - 2013.01.21 02:01:00 -
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Not trying to light any fires, but, the current state of Eve encourages solo players. And I don't mean bots. |
Ghazu
501
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Posted - 2013.01.21 02:13:00 -
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Zyrbalax III wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:We already had this discussion with the hisec vs nullsec population numbers.
The same as then, what matters is what people DOES: they stay in hisec, and they do it to play solo. GǪand as usual, there's little to indicate this. All we have to indicate what the players do is that a lot of them engage in solo play on occasion GÇö only some 16% do it exclusively. Quote:But they do measure what characters do, and it turns that, by their own words, "lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility". GǪwhich, as Natsett points out tells us very little about what the actual players do. It also raises the question of methodology. Do they count all those NPC-corp highsec mission alts as GÇ£a lurking single playerGÇ¥ because it's the group-play nullsec main that makes all the noise? As always, all they can talk about is characters. Characters are not the same thing as players, and character behaviour only provides a very fractured and piecemeal sample of actual player behaviour. Confessor Golab wrote:Yep, Ischtanchuk, I totally agree with you.
When I started to play, I also thought that nullsec play was the endgame of EVE, then joined a nullsec alliance and after an incredibly boring and annoying month or six understood how wrong I was. The problem is that you though EVE had an endgame and that you joined a very boring nullsec alliance. It's not particularly hard to find one without CTAs or without any politics you have to care about. Even if it's true that the majority of PLAYERS are not purely solo players, but that the majority of CHARACTERS are used in a solo fashion, why would you argue against more stuff / more tools that soloists can benefit from (whether players or characters)? Your mission alt might benefit from a richer mix of missions to run; your trade alt might benefit from better trade tools to use; your mining alt might benefit from a more interesting mining game; your industrial alt might better from a slicker manufacturing interface. All of those things would be good for solo players as well as solo characters, and that's just touching the tip of the iceberg. Ish isn't arguing that us solo players want some attention that's tuned JUST to us; she's just saying that when considering the themes, CCP should make sure there is stuff covered by that theme that we can do too - even if we're doing it at a disadvantage to groups doing the same thing. (Correct me if I'm wrong here Ish!) Z3 yes exactly, more tools like pvp flag on in highsec and wis for the op's emoting character where he can dress up with a bunch of dudes and emote each other. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
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