In my half-vast experience, the only sensible use for Low Sec is as a pathway to Null Sec. :)

i wouldn't disagree with this comment. then again, there are places where high sec goes directly to null. pretty sure i accidentally stumbled across one when going from scalding pass to jita once.

More fool me. I always did Scalding Pass to Sasta. Oh well.

the problem isn't really to do with the profitability of ores in regards to low sec mining, it's just that low sec is a **** environment to mine in.

Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

People who play multi-player games solo are idiots.

The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away. Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.

People who complain about other people, who play their own game on the same server you use, are also idiots.

As usual, you left out another important part: if you burn my house, I will kill you so you don't have any chance to burn it again.

No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?

You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.

guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.

i do that, unless chat channels and this place count?

I would say that chat channels do count.

There's plenty of stuff you can do in EVE that doesn't involve any kind of grouping.

Who am I going to group with? I build ****.

EVE isn't about being "solo" or "grouping" it's about interaction.

I'm sure that's not his point.

It's probably more along the lines of, guys that log in and don't want to interact with anyone.

I thought I read somewhere that griefing trial accounts and people in tutorial systems was one of the few no-nos of this game.

And I suspect that suicide ganks of cheaply-fitted frigates are relatively rare. There's no profit in it, and I've read no screeds promoting it. For that matter, suicide ganks of transport and mining vessels appear to be uncommon compared to the number of people using those ships.

No, if you log into a massive scale multiplayer game with the intention of playing by yourself, then you are stupid. Why not just play X3?

Usual troll who doesn't know who they're talking too.


Find me on a killboard, then come back and apologize for your rediculously stupid assumption, based entirely on the word under my name.


PS: That's kind of the point of burning down your house genius.

Now try and find me on a killboard.

Except if they were worth 50% or 100% more than I would have to consider mining them. I mine in high sec. 20% more isn't enough to make me leave for lowsec. or nullsec. The increase in profit has to outweigh the risk of loss, or else it is not worth doing.

I take it you don't do anything in high sec except grief people? If you took a minute to understand why people stay in high sec you could understand what it would take to draw us out.

Also, I do have an alt to suicide gank miners. Not because it is fun, but because killing someone else mining in my belt and having that ore to myself outweighs the cost of losing that ship.

I have mined everything everywhere. Low sec is not a matter of 50% or 100%. It's a matter of being able to do it or not.

Doing in low sec means giving up on any kind of AFKing (a big factor miners appreciate a lot, to the point of mining ice instead of 400% more valued minerals).

Plus you give up on soloing and that's another big "no" factor for a casual / solo miner.

The minimal setup that worked for *us* was:

1) Go in a one entrance only quiet low sec system, away from FW routes. Not many of them.

2) Send PvP guys to scan and close down WHs.

3) Send a cloaky alt beyond the gate to warn about incoming ships. If too many came, all had to promptly dock.

4) Place from 3 to 5 ships camping the gate, depending on availability of infinipoints. Have enough people to guard the gate for the whole mining op duration.

5) Congratulations, now - if you really stay on your toes - you are relatively mining in peace on roids that are barely better than hi sec (but much larger).


As you see, you have to split the income with all those guys, you had some heavy logistics (we had to weekly organize 5-7 freighters trains for 7 low sec jumps to hi sec nearest hub, we had to field 30-50 ships to escort them).

What kind of better yield / quality / % premium would you need vs hi sec to make it worth? Certainly not just 50% nor 100%.

You're assuming I want to play with people, rather than AGAINST people.

I won't get the enjoyment of being fail-hunted on a single player game.

Playing against people counts as playing with them. So yes, if you log in to play against other people, then you're not stupid.

No, I'm talking about the people that log in, minimize the chat channels and try to ignore everyone else until they get popped and come to the forums to rage about freighters getting popped to much, or whatever it was he was flying.

Are you talking about a RL killboard? Don't fool yourself.

You could at least try and be funny.
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