Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

You should always be prepared for PvP.

In response to others, arena combat used to be a reality. And it is odd that a canon that includes a slave/master dichotomy does not have some form of arena combat, especially in the Amarr region. I even think Gladiators are mentioned in a couple missions.

I don't care either way, I just think some of the arguments against it are pretty weak.

The people who know how to pick their fights just move on to easier prey if they see that someone may have planned better. Why take the risk?

Killboard efficiency is srs bsns.

People always afraid of things which threaten their life style and stability. Even if their life style is ****** and new things are good - for many stability is still preferred option.

How is it "more hardcore" than flying out solo and finding a fight?

Why is this mechanic needed?

Throughout the history of this game, PvP has mostly revolved around attacking people who are unprepared for PvP, or simply outnumbering your opponent. You make sure you're going to win before you even engage, and there is little risk involved if you plan ahead. This is what your average EVE PvP player has grown accustomed to, and some are quite good at it.

Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system, you hear a lot of people saying it's more suited to carebears or something, but what could be more hardcore than a 1v1 fight between two ships fitted for PvP, with no friends to save either of them? You are on an even footing with your opponent, and only your personal ability and intelligence can save you.

Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

Why is it not needed?

Because the vaunted PvPer's are mostly gankers that couldn't fight a fair fight if it slapped them in the face.

EVE attracts the worst dregs of humanity with it's open sandbox concept.
It also attracts some really good smart people, but most of them get tired of the behavior of the kiddy pirate fanbase and leave....

Because you can already fight agreed duels, and real fights.

Now tell me why do you think it's needed?

I'm not talking about behaviour GÇö I'm talking about mechanics.

All mechanics for consensual combat are encapsulated within the mechanics of non-consensual combat, and no consensual combat can ever be allowed to exist outside the real of non-consensual engagements.

Thus, consensual mechanics are either unnecessary or game-breaking. Either way, there's no point in or need to add them.

You must be blind or something. A duel is consensual PVP without a sec hit where you and another player can duel without the interruption of another player. Bad attitudes are game breaking and there is no point or need for that either.

Why are you willingly ignoring the whole point of the argument,
namely that nowhere in EvE, at no time ever, people were/are/should be shielded from the others ?
(edit: in space, of course)

There are all kinds of shields from others, it depends on which side of the shield you are on to see it though. The Op was asking about adding a feature that allows him to engage in a duel. Duels can exist in EVE, and with the attitudes of the player base, they should.

I think what you're really seeing is a stigma.

"Arena" invokes a rather specific though. WoW, and the segregated PvP world. You "enter" an arena, that is not part of the world and has no impact on it. When you say "arena" in EVE, I believe people automatically think of WoW style arenas, were you would be ported to a "safe" place, to fight for no real loss with someone else.


Instead of arena maybe people should start saying "tournament".
A place IN THE GAME SPACE, that isn't seperated from everything else, were a number of peopel can compete in a structured match, and risk assets for the possibility to gain more assets.


I have no problem with "arenas" as long as they're done EVE style.
That would be tools that allow for players to set up tournaments, the ability to gamble on the outcome, and be able to watch as it happens; when it happesns.

If I can't fly to the "arena" and watch the match unfold, then it doesn't belong in EVE.

It's not the fair fights people are worried about (although there's no denying that many people feel if you fight fair you're doing it wrong).

The most significant objection to a system of consensual pvp is that it represents a move away from non-consensual pvp, which is a cornerstone of this game.

GǪand at that point, it has very little to do with arenas, and rather revolves around the Gǣbetting officeGǥ, presumably some expansion or generalisation of the bounty and war report systems.

Wait, how does this "duel" make people "immune" to interference from outsiders?

Wait, is CCP actually doing this or is this just a suggestion from (I hope) a small portion of the playerbase?

Guess I made a mistake coming back to Eve. I was there from 2003 fending off the people who for some reason choose to neglect other games with perfectly good carebear mechanics to cry about how Eve, one of the few games out there featuring non-consensual pvp, should be less like... Eve.

It's sad that after ten years of sticking to their guns, I picked a time to come back when CCP finally seems to be giving in to the pansies. Why do some people feel the need to come into this game that is advertised heavily as a hardcore, non-consensual pvp game and try to change the core of what makes it what it is? And why is CCP giving into them after all these years?

Can't your ship can't be prepared for PVE/ Industry and PVP. Must be those darn broken game mechanics again.

But, for some odd reason, when it comes to piracy, wars, military aggressions and so on the same brutality is not accepted and everything is suposed to be fair and gentle. Like:

- "Pardon me, Sir, I'd like to stick a Nova Torpedo in your ass. Would you be so nice to consent to this?"
- "Of course my noble friends, only give me 30 minutes to fit the proper modules on my ship and let's do it in a safe, private place where nobody will bother us"

You must be blind or something. A duel is consensual PVP without a sec hit where you and another player can duel without the interruption of another player.