Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system, you hear a lot of people saying it's more suited to carebears or something

Maybe people have realized where all the pvp went to. And now that they know CCP is supporting hisec in order to have "pvp light", they're plain ... confused.

Way to ignore everyone saying it's a pointless mechanic in a game where what the whiners are asking for ALREADY FREAKING EXISTS... Good job.

Oh, and reading comprehension ftw.

Way to ignore everyone saying it's a pointless mechanic in a game where what the whiners are asking for ALREADY FREAKING EXISTS... Good job.

Oh, and reading comprehension ftw.

How do you use current mechanics to allow 2 parties to engage in a limited conflict similar to what the duel system will allow?

I've seen the accusation several times that the functionality of the dueling mechanic already exists, but I can't think of a way to replicate it. Since several others have stated it I will gladly concede my issue in regard to that is ignorance and ask: How do you use current mechanics to allow 2 parties to engage in a limited conflict similar to what the duel system will allow?

Way to ignore everyone saying it's a pointless mechanic in a game where what the whiners are asking for ALREADY FREAKING EXISTS... Good job.

Oh, and reading comprehension ftw.

Move lowsec, warp planet 6 and fight like a boss.

Because can-flipping is two people operating within the laws of the EVE universe, circumventing CONCORD rules to go a round or two without the cops crashing their party. It doesn't stop someone else from crashing their party, just provides the party in a way that fits the universe as it exists.

Adding a duel button will only accomplish one thing: You won't be able to fly through any populated system without getting spammed with 347 duel request windows. I'd rather fly past humorously-named yellow containers, or get jumped by someone willing to be a pirate (and accept those consequences) than be bothered with even a single duel request window.

That doesn't provide any of the benefits of the duel system.

But through planning ahead and picking your fights to make sure you're going to win, things become very controlled and lack risk.

Or the safety; it merely removes the risk that is the hallmark of Eve Online. Curious that, no?

I don't want to play WoW in Space. I don't want to play Aeon in Space. You guys want that pussification in the way you play, leave. I'll happily hold the door for you (and no, I don't want your tainted stuffs).

What risk was removed? Via can flipping you could get this in the past. Where you rallying so hard against them as well?

What possibly needs to happen is that some eve players need to stop using wow as an excuse to be blind about what is actually going on here.

I understand your point, but the thing is - people have a very good reason to cry WoW when nearly anything in WoW is ever brought up as a potential change to EVE. It's because WoW is so monumentally bad in every way, that it's quite frightening for anyone who's been though it to feel like the same thing might happen to EVE - a game that is possibly the last bastion of hope in the MMO universe.

Apologies if this post sounds sarcastic, it's really not. WoW really is that bad, EVE really is (by comparison) not, and I know I'd be pretty upset if that ceased to be the case.

I can understand the sentiment. I'm not a fan of Wow, but I'm not prepared to call it objectively bad. Firstly because I've only experienced a fraction of it before quitting, 2nd because different people look for different things in games.

Philosophically Eve and wow are completely incompatible, this I will grant you. That doesn't mean they are completely mechanically incompatible as well. Lets look at duels objectively:

No Instances
No prevention of loss
No protection from outside interference
The addition of a person who can treat you like the 2 of you are in nullsec for 5 min since you last aggressed each other
No guarantee that any agreed upon limitations (ships/fits/etc) in the 1v1 you arranged will be honored

They both have duels, but wow duels are honorable affairs in a bubble while eve duels are just like the rest of the game.

Throughout the history of this game, PvP has mostly revolved around attacking people who are unprepared for PvP, or simply outnumbering your opponent. You make sure you're going to win before you even engage, and there is little risk involved if you plan ahead. This is what your average EVE PvP player has grown accustomed to, and some are quite good at it.

Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system, you hear a lot of people saying it's more suited to carebears or something, but what could be more hardcore than a 1v1 fight between two ships fitted for PvP, with no friends to save either of them? You are on an even footing with your opponent, and only your personal ability and intelligence can save you.

Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system,

Those stipulations sound great, but they still need an "invitation" of sorts to get the ball rolling. Also, if it needs all those stipulations to begin to fit properly, then how's it differ from simply going safeties-off and engaging your target? No instances, no prevention of loss, no buffering from interference, freely attackable for a period of time, and no guarantees of honor from the other party.

It's coding time spent on providing something we can already do, and the new coding doesn't prevent someone from *cheating*, so what's the point? It has to be just the beginning of something new, like removing any other kind of combat from hi sec. Only then would we need the dueling mechanism. Right now it's redundant, and they wouldn't have spent manhours on redundant, would they?

Just to ask again, in case I missed a legitimate answer somewhere: How do you use current mechanics to allow 2 parties to engage in a limited conflict similar to what the duel system will allow?

Player A ejects a can. Player B takes from that can to go suspect. Player B then docks/cloaks/whatever to hide from any third parties attempting to shoot them. Wait 14 minutes.

With 1 minute left on the suspect timer, Player A shoots Player B. 5 minute LE begins and the suspect timer is waited out. Now you've got 4 minutes to reship, repair, whatever before you start shooting each other with much honor.

Yes, it's a tedious and stupid way to do it. Which is why I think duels are a good thing.

There is always the risk of interference.

Or have a mechanic and do it wherever, taking the chance of interference in more crowded places without increasing the odds of it happening too greatly. Why should people who want to duel not be able to just outside of a hub station or anywhere else?

Throughout the history of this game, PvP has mostly revolved around attacking people who are unprepared for PvP, or simply outnumbering your opponent. You make sure you're going to win before you even engage, and there is little risk involved if you plan ahead. This is what your average EVE PvP player has grown accustomed to, and some are quite good at it.

Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system, you hear a lot of people saying it's more suited to carebears or something, but what could be more hardcore than a 1v1 fight between two ships fitted for PvP, with no friends to save either of them? You are on an even footing with your opponent, and only your personal ability and intelligence can save you.

Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

Throughout the history of this game, PvP has mostly revolved around attacking people who are unprepared for PvP, or simply outnumbering your opponent. You make sure you're going to win before you even engage, and there is little risk involved if you plan ahead. This is what your average EVE PvP player has grown accustomed to, and some are quite good at it.

Reading the negative comments on the so-called 'arena' system, you hear a lot of people saying it's more suited to carebears or something, but what could be more hardcore than a 1v1 fight between two ships fitted for PvP, with no friends to save either of them? You are on an even footing with your opponent, and only your personal ability and intelligence can save you.

Why do so many people think that's a bad thing?

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