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Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.07.03 11:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/07/2005 11:57:17 3575 Grid for a 1400 II -> Lvl5 Advanced Wp Upgr -> 0.9 * 3.575 = 3.217,5 3217,5 * 6 = 19.305 Tempest with Engineering 5 = 15.500 * 1.25 = 19.375 Am i missing something? EDIT: Bah, beaten to it. /Elve
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 11:57:00 - [32] Armageddon: 165001.25 = 20625 Tachyon I: 37500.90 = 33757 = 23625 Tachyon II: 41250.90 = 3712.57 = 25987.5 206251.15 = 23718 - enough for tachyon I 237181.15 = 27276.5625 - enough for tachyon II so, 1 less rcu II to fit tachs onto a geddon. Tempest: 155001.25 = 19375 1400mm I: 32500.90 = 29256 = 17550 1400mm II: 35750.90 = 3217.56 = 19305 Good news for you 'pest pilots you can just about fit 1400mm II with no grid mods - with 70pg to work with, enough for rocket launchers w. defenders -------------
Diana Merris	Posted - 2005.07.03 11:59:00 - [33] All the T2 weapons take 10% more grid, getting this skill to 5 will offset that. It doesn't even come close to offsetting the grid increase on cruiser and frigate missile launchers. Not that that has any effect on Caldari anyway, my caldari alt's Caracal will still have over 200grid free after the patch. The grid changes on the launchers mostly hurt Minmatar. As for the OP: what you're saying is the Mega has too much grid and it should be reduced right? Since none of the other BS except the Raven are that easy to fit.
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:03:00 - [34] Edited by: keepiru on 03/07/2005 12:05:28 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/07/2005 11:57:17 3575 Grid for a 1400 II -> Lvl5 Advanced Wp Upgr -> 0.9 * 3.575 = 3.217,5 3217,5 * 6 = 19.305 Tempest with Engineering 5 = 15.500 * 1.25 = 19.375 Am i missing something? EDIT: Bah, beaten to it. \o/ and, diana's got the right of it, this skill alows you to fit T2 guns for the pg of T1 guns. so much for "there's too much damage in this game", eh hammer? Maybe 1 less MAPC to fit medium beams on Retribution? Indeed: 180.90 = 16.24 = 64.8 56*1.25 = 70 -------------
Hast	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:10:00 - [35] bah, even now Minmatar gets the short end of the stick. I was hoping this would remove the rcu from my Tempest but meh. And I was just done training the energy grid skill to lvl5 aswell just to use rcu II's now I dont need it. Hopefully this skill will help poor cruisers and my Crusader
Acwron	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:11:00 - [36] Edited by: Acwron on 03/07/2005 12:11:40 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/07/2005 11:57:17 3575 Grid for a 1400 II -> Lvl5 Advanced Wp Upgr -> 0.9 * 3.575 = 3.217,5 3217,5 * 6 = 19.305 Tempest with Engineering 5 = 15.500 * 1.25 = 19.375 Am i missing something? EDIT: Bah, beaten to it. jap you did. You can not fit 6 T2 1400er with a RCU 1. 6 T¦ 1400er: 21450 PG Powergrid with 1 RCU (10%): 21312,5 -137,5 PS: and only at lvl 5 the skill equals a RCU 1. (It's Rank 6 so quite a bit of traning to lvl 5)
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Acwron Edited by: Acwron on 03/07/2005 12:11:40 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/07/2005 11:57:17 3575 Grid for a 1400 II -> Lvl5 Advanced Wp Upgr -> 0.9 * 3.575 = 3.217,5 3217,5 * 6 = 19.305 Tempest with Engineering 5 = 15.500 * 1.25 = 19.375 Am i missing something? EDIT: Bah, beaten to it. jap you did. You can not fit 6 T2 1400er with a RCU 1. 6 T¦ 1400er: 21450 PG Powergrid with 1 RCU (10%): 21312,5 -137,5 PS: and only at lvl 5 the skill equals a RCU 1. (It's Rank 6 so quite a bit of traning to lvl 5) You forgot to factor in the 0.90 from the new skill. makes each t2 1400er take 35750.90 = 3127.5*6 = 19305 -------------
Nafri	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:20:00 - [38] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Acwron Edited by: Acwron on 03/07/2005 12:11:40 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 03/07/2005 11:57:17 3575 Grid for a 1400 II -> Lvl5 Advanced Wp Upgr -> 0.9 * 3.575 = 3.217,5 3217,5 * 6 = 19.305 Tempest with Engineering 5 = 15.500 * 1.25 = 19.375 Am i missing something? EDIT: Bah, beaten to it. jap you did. You can not fit 6 T2 1400er with a RCU 1. 6 T¦ 1400er: 21450 PG Powergrid with 1 RCU (10%): 21312,5 -137,5 PS: and only at lvl 5 the skill equals a RCU 1. (It's Rank 6 so quite a bit of traning to lvl 5) You forgot to factor in the 0.90 from the new skill. makes each t2 1400er take 35750.90 = 3127.56 = 19305 too bad your math is wrong and elves is right No sig today*
Acwron	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:21:00 - [39] Edited by: Acwron on 03/07/2005 12:28:49 Edited by: Acwron on 03/07/2005 12:24:29 Jap you are right. I was under the false impression that it lowers increases your grid. But you are right it's like *0,9. So Dmg mod 19,3 ROF 8,34 here I come.
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:30:00 - [40] 214500.90 = 19305 193051.15 = 22220.75 fun with numbers \o/ actually having that skill @ 5 is more than having an rcu I - (21450-19305)/193.05 = 11.1*(repeats) -------------
mahhy	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:43:00 - [41] Good for Med Beam 2's on Amarr Frigs? Anyone got the math handy?
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:59:00 - [42] Originally by: mahhy Good for Med Beam 2's on Amarr Frigs? Anyone got the math handy? 180.90 = 16.24 = 64.8 56*1.25 = 70 leaves you 5.2 pg free once you fit 4 medium beam IIs on retri. slap a pdu II and you just might fit web+repper+th. hardener+2HS II or soemthing like that. certainly 2 pdu II will do the trick. -------------
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:00:00 - [43] PDU II will give you CPU trouble though, but that can be worked with. Certainly an improvement for frigates, although it kinda wacks the Battleships out of balance again. /Elve
Wizard	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:06:00 - [44] This skill is the bomb I for 1 will be training it so i have less of a nightmare fitting beams etc to my amarr ships. About bloody time damage output has been nerfed to hell, so at least i have somthing to look forward to.
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:09:00 - [45] i like it, cpu problems are always annoying. also plz bare in mind cpu bosters suck big time, there isnt module like the pdu for cpu so its much nastier fitting one on.
Cycerin Strikebeam	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:15:00 - [46] This will definitively help ships like the Brutix quite a bit.
Alerce	Posted - 2005.07.03 14:00:00 - [47] i still wish it would really work for ALL turrets, but no it doesnt count for mining turrets :(
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.03 14:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: DigitalCommunist You're nuts dude. Megathron has the 2nd highest cpu. from all the BS'es it has the 3rd lowest (only the apoc and the geddon have lower cpu), and in the tier2 BS'es it is on par with the tempest (550tf base cpu). you made a bit of a mistake there, unless you were talking about tier2 BS'es only. I was, cause they have lots more grid :\| _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Selim	Posted - 2005.07.03 15:21:00 - [49] I agree with the OP, this skill sux. Leads to too many abusive setups. I still think large artillery needs to be easier to fit, though. Only being able to fit 5 = ridiculous.
Brisi	Posted - 2005.07.03 15:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Alerce i still wish it would really work for ALL turrets, but no it doesnt count for mining turrets :( Oh noes! 'Cause if it did work for Mining lasers, it would lower the grid to approx. 0.9, making them much easier to fit at what? Your Reaper?
keepiru	Posted - 2005.07.03 15:44:00 - [51] I think he means weapon upgrades, for cpu. -------------
DarkMatters	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Na'Axin wow, have been waiting for this skill for ages..... too bad I now got to train for a dread aswell to train the skill which effects siege mode you need need this skill at 5 anyways...
Brisi	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:51:00 - [53] Originally by: keepiru I think he means weapon upgrades, for cpu. Regardless, I found it necessary to poke him around a bit.
Brisi	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:51:00 - [54] Originally by: keepiru I think he means weapon upgrades, for cpu. Regardless, I found it necessary to poke him around a bit.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:56:00 - [55] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: DigitalCommunist You're nuts dude. Megathron has the 2nd highest cpu. from all the BS'es it has the 3rd lowest (only the apoc and the geddon have lower cpu), and in the tier2 BS'es it is on par with the tempest (550tf base cpu). you made a bit of a mistake there, unless you were talking about tier2 BS'es only. I was, cause they have lots more grid :\| I stand corrected then, but keep in mind that the megathron has also the 2nd lowest cpu in the tier2 BS'es ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
TWD	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:59:00 - [56] gank++ fleet battles lasting a few mins max ftl
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.07.03 17:10:00 - [57] Good for Raven though, means you can mount some of those 425's and not rely on missiles. ex P-TMC If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Crellion	Posted - 2005.07.03 17:30:00 - [58] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Good for Raven though, means you can mount some of those 425's and not rely on missiles. 7x 425s on Mega are enough to kill a BS in say... 10 mins 2x 425s are supposed to help raven to do what? Kill the 10 npc intys? kill pc intys? - forget it if they approach by orbiting (diminishing spirals or woot)- Kill BSs :O I think not. Sniping set ups? not really without the med-slot mods that you cant spare on a raven.At best it might allow ganking Ravens with torps to fit a couple of L blasters but if you'r ganking would nt you prefer the heavy Nos? Dunno if its even worth posting about the Raven any longer :( :( :(
Tar om	Posted - 2005.07.03 17:44:00 - [59] so, infact... this is another skill that minmatar need to train to level5 to fit their best guns to compete with other races? and it only works on half of our armament? You know, I'm starting to get a little sick of this split between proj and missiles on the minnie ships. It makes us very sensitive to nerfage :P -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Rex Martell	Posted - 2005.07.04 11:27:00 - [60] I love this thread. This is a great skill espically with tech II guns and tech II Armour repairers eating power grid. *STOP WHINNING! start learning. "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his"

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