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Nicolo da'Vicenza Air The Unthinkables 2648	Posted - 2013.01.26 06:35:00 - [391] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: ...and to you Nullsec Elitists coming in here crapping on Highsec, I'll say it again, as I have before: Highsec is MORE dangerous than nullsec. Highsec has MORE risk than nullsec. When you're blue to 50% of nullsec....you have no risk dude. i don't think INK has blues other then Red Alliance and WHY so SerioUs i know that list i just posted is awesome and fear inspiring but i'm still gonna keep posting in this thread as if nullsec has risk from my perspective
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3293	Posted - 2013.01.26 06:35:00 - [392] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: yes TEST is known for its brutal and invasive security screenings (they call it "the /r/colonoscopy") and elite pvp recruitment standards TEST is becoming elite pvp huh. This is a sad day in history. ....and I suppose blobbing is elite? whaaaat? Test Blobs???? whaaaaat? Goons Blob??? whaaaat???? they do the SAME **??? whaaaat???....the ** are you talking about then? You pussbags begged PL to talk us down. Pretty sure you guys have yet to stop mistaking mass disdain for mass admiration. No one fears you, they just know to be careful about attacking you because of the spies. and AWOXers you probably have in their corp. Somehow I feel you read that post entirely too seriously for a place like EVEO. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3293	Posted - 2013.01.26 06:36:00 - [393] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Max Doobie wrote: ...and to you Nullsec Elitists coming in here crapping on Highsec, I'll say it again, as I have before: Highsec is MORE dangerous than nullsec. Highsec has MORE risk than nullsec. When you're blue to 50% of nullsec....you have no risk dude. i don't think ink has blues other then Red Alliance and WHY so SerioUs Very serious, you need to take steps to reduce your risk so that you can be nerfed to increase your risk. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1370	Posted - 2013.01.26 07:42:00 - [394] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Marlona Sky once again ignoring the fact that defense has nothing to do with power projection seeing as you have a space of usually about a day in which to move ships, in other words more than enough time to move any kind of ship capital or otherwise across the map with any reasonable nerf. I think moving a coalitions entire fleet to one pocket of space to fight off a small alliance carving out a section of space for themselves would be a grave mistake. Leaving borders unprotected? Territory unchecked? That would be asking for everyone to take kidney shots at you if your guard was down focusing entirely on one thing. Remember, you would not be able to zip back and forth all over the map in minutes. Yet somehow it never happens during any large deployment.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1370	Posted - 2013.01.26 07:49:00 - [395] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: yes TEST is known for its brutal and invasive security screenings (they call it "the /r/colonoscopy") and elite pvp recruitment standards TEST is becoming elite pvp huh. This is a sad day in history. ....and I suppose blobbing is elite? whaaaat? Test Blobs???? whaaaaat? Goons Blob??? whaaaat???? they do the SAME **??? whaaaat???....the are you talking about then? You pussbags begged PL to talk us down. Pretty sure you guys have yet to stop mistaking mass disdain for mass admiration. No one fears you, they just know to be careful about attacking you because of the spies. and AWOXers you probably have in their corp. You seam upset. Judging from the "Waaah my ratting income!" posts on your forums your alliance can't even handle a little not so friendly screwing around from people who want to shoot you. This is what you were going to march on the warpath with: http://i.imgur.com/Irhw3rE.png It's one thing to beat up -A- after an entire coalition came down to help you break their backs. It's quite another to take on a monolithic entity with unified fleet doctrines with skilled FC's and a highly motivated leadership. The converse frankly goes with your alliance, though from what I can see outside of PL your allies are a much weaker link than ours our. No matter how hard your internal propaganda machine has spun out FA to be a pack of gibbering retards (They can be sometimes) they are also scrappy as **. Unlike say Tribe. Shadoo didn't save us from you. He did quite the opposite.
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 285	Posted - 2013.01.26 07:58:00 - [396] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Max Doobie wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: yes TEST is known for its brutal and invasive security screenings (they call it "the /r/colonoscopy") and elite pvp recruitment standards TEST is becoming elite pvp huh. This is a sad day in history. ....and I suppose blobbing is elite? whaaaat? Test Blobs???? whaaaaat? Goons Blob??? whaaaat???? they do the SAME **??? whaaaat???....the are you talking about then? You pussbags begged PL to talk us down. Pretty sure you guys have yet to stop mistaking mass disdain for mass admiration. No one fears you, they just know to be careful about attacking you because of the spies. and AWOXers you probably have in their corp. You seam upset. Judging from the "Waaah my ratting income!" posts on your forums your alliance can't even handle a little not so friendly screwing around from people who want to shoot you. This is what you were going to march on the warpath with: http://i.imgur.com/Irhw3rE.png It's one thing to beat up -A- after an entire coalition came down to help you break their backs. It's quite another to take on a monolithic entity with unified fleet doctrines with skilled FC's and a highly motivated leadership. The converse frankly goes with your alliance, though from what I can see outside of PL your allies are a much weaker link than ours our. No matter how hard your internal propaganda machine has spun out FA to be a pack of gibbering retards (They can be sometimes) they are also scrappy as **. Unlike say Tribe. Shadoo didn't save us from you. He did quite the opposite. While I do not link this single player comment as being the reality of all nul;l seccers, it's still funny to ahve yet another proof that null seccers can be just as big crybabies as high sec carebear.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2156	Posted - 2013.01.26 08:07:00 - [397] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: yes TEST is known for its brutal and invasive security screenings (they call it "the /r/colonoscopy") and elite pvp recruitment standards TEST is becoming elite pvp huh. This is a sad day in history. ....and I suppose blobbing is elite? whaaaat? Test Blobs???? whaaaaat? Goons Blob??? whaaaat???? they do the SAME **??? whaaaat???....the ** are you talking about then? You pussbags begged PL to talk us down. Pretty sure you guys have yet to stop mistaking mass disdain for mass admiration. No one fears you, they just know to be careful about attacking you because of the spies. and AWOXers you probably have in their corp. Look at all that crazy talk in the bad post, look at it well. Don't be like this person. Also: People don't fear us, but they're scared of our spies & awoxers. Fearing something that you don't fear is funny. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7405	Posted - 2013.01.26 08:42:00 - [398] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: ...and to you Nullsec Elitists coming in here crapping on Highsec, I'll say it again, as I have before: Highsec is MORE dangerous than nullsec. Highsec has MORE risk than nullsec. When you're blue to 50% of nullsec....you have no risk dude... I know those make for lovely soundbites, however they are, sadly for you you because I know you wish with all your heart they weren't, untrue. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 285	Posted - 2013.01.26 08:58:00 - [399] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Max Doobie wrote: ...and to you Nullsec Elitists coming in here crapping on Highsec, I'll say it again, as I have before: Highsec is MORE dangerous than nullsec. Highsec has MORE risk than nullsec. When you're blue to 50% of nullsec....you have no risk dude... I know those make for lovely soundbites, however they are, sadly for you you because I know you wish with all your heart they weren't, untrue. That one time I lost a drake by faceplanting in a structure wich prevented me from warping away. High sec is super risky man. I'm telling you.
Ryuji Takemiya Omni Tech Industries Initiative Associates 25	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:00:00 - [400] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: You pussbags begged PL to talk us down. Is that the sentiment being passed around on TEST Forums?

Dave Stark 1706	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:01:00 - [401] - Quote the last 2 pages of this thread is comedy gold. this is why i think goons are great and why i can't understand why people hate them, they're like eve's version of frankie boyle. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Super spikinator Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 53	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:02:00 - [402] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: yes TEST is known for its brutal and invasive security screenings (they call it "the /r/colonoscopy") and elite pvp recruitment standards TEST is becoming elite pvp huh. This is a sad day in history. It's Delve/Querious. It does things to those inhabit that space.
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 285	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:03:00 - [403] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: the last 2 pages of this thread is comedy gold. this is why i think goons are great and why i can't understand why people hate them, they're like eve's version of frankie boyle. Sadly it might get the tread locked/deleted...
Dave Stark 1707	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:05:00 - [404] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Dave Stark wrote: the last 2 pages of this thread is comedy gold. this is why i think goons are great and why i can't understand why people hate them, they're like eve's version of frankie boyle. Sadly it might get the tread locked/deleted... if that's the case then people need a sense of humour check. between jokes about being blue with concord and the biggest forum troll test has, i'm still chuckling. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 3003	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:24:00 - [405] - Quote Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov... Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Dave Stark 1707	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:25:00 - [406] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov... said the one who couldn't actually make a legitimate argument for it even though they were asked repeatedly to do so? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 3003	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:30:00 - [407] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov... said the one who couldn't actually make a legitimate argument for it even though they were asked repeatedly to do so? lol Oh I did, multiple times. You and others shoved your fingers in your ears yelling, "lalala I can't hear you, lalalala..." But that is ok. The right people saw it and I'm satisfied. Enjoy it while you can. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Dave Stark 1707	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:31:00 - [408] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov... said the one who couldn't actually make a legitimate argument for it even though they were asked repeatedly to do so? lol Oh I did, multiple times. You and others shoved your fingers in your ears yelling, "lalala I can't hear you, lalalala..." But that is ok. The right people saw it and I'm satisfied. Enjoy it while you can. that's funny, considering every point you made was refuted, it seemed to be you with your fingers in your ears when you couldn't answer a question when it was put to you directly. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Katherine Jasmone 18	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:31:00 - [409] - Quote The whole of null needs to be turned into one giant sausage-fest with a revamp of Sovereignty mechanics, Alliance mechanics, more bottlenecks and and more jumpgates/links between regions forcing the hand of those backwater dwellers who just want to rat and gather technetium to their hearts content and general safety. Only by making things more scarce (or harder to hold on to) do you create the necessary backdrop for change. As it stands, null tends to lean towards monopoly with alliances that are too big ("That is no moon, that is a space station.") and hold too much sway/ground limiting others from venturing out into null. And no, people don't want to join an alliance simply to be "renters" to some god-awful dictatorially minded corp/alliance. The social aspect begins with wanting to play with a few like-minded individuals to that of broad cooperation with other corps. If CCP are going to do something about mechanics it has to be done from the aspect of decreasing the monopoly of null by large alliances. Monopoly bad, m'kay. It breeds restlessness in the mob/"fanbois" and other mainstream "wannabes". Yes , I am an alt. Yes, you may put a bounty on me. Yes, I am a forumwarrior/troll. Yes, I have a life. No, I am not posting with my main. Why paint a target on my back? :)
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 285	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:35:00 - [410] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Or a lame attempt to bury the talk about power projection and how is is a core issue with sov... IMO, limiting projection power would probably only bring 2 different things. 1- Hidden diplomacy where one corp/alliance deal with another so one open a front and the other one try to capitalise on the fact the enemy moved his assets to counter the 1st front. The insane waiting game to know who would be willing to be on the opening move side instead of the capitalisation side would be horrible. There is also the problem of the second front never opening if they don't see it as easy to get it as it should thus letting the first attacked alone to deal with the trouble. Coalition don't start war they don't think they really have the grater chance to win. Why would they under another system? 2- Even more waiting game where everybody wait for someone to get angry enough to open the first front to cause an asset shift to create a better opening elsewhere. Who would make the first move? The impatient one I guess... There is also the whole diplomacy possible to stop any exploitation attack on the second front after the first one caused an asset shift...

Kinis Deren EVE University Ivy League 135	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:36:00 - [411] - Quote LOL @ the thought of Goons trying to blue CONCORD Seriously though, if their Glorious Leader is whining about not going to war "because of grind" you'd have thought the scrubs would have fully backed this thread. Oh well, just another day in GD I guess
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air The Unthinkables 2650	Posted - 2013.01.26 09:59:00 - [412] - Quote true warriors like eve-uni, pioneers of the dec shield
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 678	Posted - 2013.01.26 10:23:00 - [413] - Quote The true reasons nothing ever really happens in 0.0: - we're all jaded, we've all been doing this for years and back then we had really good reasons for it (extreme dislikes, the "us vs them" feeling) but these days... pffff. It's all one big melting pot where we know our enemies on a first name basis due to meta gaming and players switching corps/alliances/powerblocks. Lets face it, perhaps the old garde is still clinging to this game for no other reason than "we don't know when to quit" but these days lack the fire, drive and youthful eagerness to make stuff happen. The old boys network prevents stuff from actually happening and changing. - we're lacking a universal bad boy, a target people can rally against/for and there's simply no grudge matches anymore, this also ties in with reason #1 - power projection, because of jump bridges, titans rides and Scaps being able to deploy just about anywhere on a whim's notice location is a non-issue and as such there's no reason to fight for "better space" other than moons and not wanting to be have nasty hostiles next door. Logistics are silly easy and aren't affected by location. - 0.0 is full of risk averse carebears just as in high sec. By that I mean that choices are made based on income possibilities and security, there's no difference between an alliance deciding to stay put and blue everything in the surrounding area because they might lose a moon or fight and high a sec bear not entering low sec because he might lose his raven. People can claim all they want and take the high ground but in reality they're just as bad. this results in NIPS and 0.0 folks moving to high sec to "have some fun" while in reality it just means easy non-risk shooting at fish in a barrel. And while that's fun to do it's also showing they're also taking the game so serious that they don't want to "risk" anything - powerblocks, doesn't need explanation I hope So, while sov issues certainly don't help they never stopped us before, 15 minute module activation didn't stop us, terrible exploits/features didn't stop us. What IS stopping us is a lack motivation, taking the game too serious and the old boys still being in control while being burnt out on the game and having lost the fire. Changing the SOV mechanics is overdue yes, but it won't change anything because all of the above still applies. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 278	Posted - 2013.01.26 11:22:00 - [414] - Quote I as a small entity with 90% of other small entities say that nerfing the force projection will do more good than bad to us. Goonies have no rights to talk about it cos they dont give a **** about small entities and dont know anything about it. Ty and good bye :D LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 194	Posted - 2013.01.26 11:32:00 - [415] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I'll say it again: if CCP think that players will be infinitely patient, they are incorrect. Matters are coming to a head in null and if there isn't a proper reworking of sov 0.0, it's not going to be pretty. I fully understand that CCP wanted to work on empire for the last few years, but now the situation in null is approaching meltdown. It has been 5 years since the last work on improving sov 0.0 was done, and now that patience is wearing very thin indeed. Eliminate multi-million hp structures as the lynchpin of sov. Sov strength should be determined by player activity, not deployable structures. Undefended sov should be easy to take, no to remotely set timers. Make it viable for 0.0 players to actually live* in 0.0 by reworking outposts so that we can upgrade them to match NPC systems *Base alliance income on the activity of players, not the output of lifeless moons owned by an elite few. At the moment, Sov 0.0 depends on supers, structures and moons. It should depend on players. sounds good to me! as I like to say there should always be something fun to shoot! a small roaming gang should be met with force, not dock up for a few mins till they get bored and move on. or if you do run and hide they can do something that will annoy you, I was just thinking if they shoot your thingy all your anoms revert to the lowest level till they all get cleared. or some sort of incursion like penalty, or a bounty stealer. and of course players need stuff to do, having one guy ratting and another doing all the anoms sucks for getting players out to 0.0. especially when there are systems where you are better off mining veldspar than ratting.
Mamucha Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 0	Posted - 2013.01.26 11:33:00 - [416] - Quote I dont have perfect answers. but i have newer seen 0.0 this peacefull. So wheres the risk thats supposed to be on 0.0? Intel channels gets you early warning of any reds seen. So maybe CCP should just remove local from 0.0. Would make it harder to call cavalry since you dont see how many reds are on system... Why does jumpdrive/titan briding has to be 100% reliable allways? Heck our crappy autopilot needs 15 km safetyclearance just for gates in same system. So add some randomness, a chance of failure when you jump. Little bad luck and you endup entire somewhere else then you intended to jump... Maybe some high multiplier skill to train that reduces chance of jump ending up on landing somewhere random, but it should newer be 100% reliable all the time.. And naturally shorter jumps has higher chance to go where you intended to land... Would bring a little risk into moveing that super capital hammer fleet arround... We are recruiting, see: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=196504&find=unread
Murk Paradox Dvice Shipyards No Value 247	Posted - 2013.01.26 14:51:00 - [417] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: I also asked for an unbiased answer. Your petty bitchiness does not help accomplish whatever goal you are setting out to do. You are saying a whole shift of things would make things more boring than they already are? Based on what you and yours are already saying, that is impossible. Yet here you are saying the same thing over and over even at the cost of contradicting yourself. What effort or lackthereof you exert will only assert the fact you wish to troll and be selective in what you read and spout current mechanics as the problem, yet rebel change and only offer that CCP do something to make things better for you. Obviously you wanted to get away from highsec or you wouldn't be here in the first place, yet you are showing your envy generated tears at what you cannot have. If you think it will be more boring to generate more content, by all means do not like it. If you do not like my ideas, by all means do not like it. But if you think people are getting HAPPIER by having to choke down your self righteous crying about how high it atop the mountain, you aren't going to find sympathy. Be happy there are still people wanting DRASTIC changes to change things up and reset the boredom you cry about on a daily basis. Just because I don't have a management role in a sov corp doesn't mean I can't read the same sanctimonious bullshit you guys post each and every single day. Doesn't mean I don't want to see change. You are like a petulant child crying that jimmy broke your heart and then yell at the parent "You don't understand! I love him! waaaaahhhh!!!" because I am not feeling your pain. Regardless, it will not affect my daily routine, and maybe, just maybe, other people would also want to see a change to get into null. Your current attitude is not going to be make null be even more inviting. So instead of fixing your post into a readable format and participating in a coherent discussion you decide to have a mini-meltdown on the forums. Thank you for that this was very enjoyable. E: I should note all of us who live in nullsec already know you aren't in a sov nullsec corp and have no idea what you are talking about. Funny you should say that. As I am affiliated with corps and an alliance based out in stain, and have mentioned doing exactly what is going on right now. TEST and Goons have reset. You all have spent pages and pages explaining how that wouldn't work because of sov, and now you are doing exactly that. E: small gangs of goons and test roaming around killing each other while you are reset and are not killing structures. Weird how I have been clamoring for that and told it wouldn't work, then you guys end up doing it anyways. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 650	Posted - 2013.01.26 14:52:00 - [418] - Quote All of you power projection whiners don't realize that any nerf you can think of will be better coped with using numbers. Who has the numbers? Not you, hence it will hurt you more than us. All the nerf serves to do is make the game more miserable for the both of us and I don't think either of us want that. As long as timers exist power projection is a non-issue. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 650	Posted - 2013.01.26 14:55:00 - [419] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Funny you should say that. As I am affiliated with corps and an alliance based out in stain, and have mentioned doing exactly what is going on right now. TEST and Goons have reset. You all have spent pages and pages explaining how that wouldn't work because of sov, and now you are doing exactly that. E: small gangs of goons and test roaming around killing each other while you are reset and are not killing structures. Weird how I have been clamoring for that and told it wouldn't work, then you guys end up doing it anyways. Took you how many pages to finally respond to that? Fixing that post you made with the terrible formatting would have been a better idea. What you were asking for was moving moons to lowsec only which is a terrible idea, we debunked all of your arguments and you replied as was "lol no." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Dave Stark 1713	Posted - 2013.01.26 15:00:00 - [420] - Quote La Nariz wrote: we debunked all of your arguments and you replied as was "lol no." that seems to be a common theme in this thread. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."



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