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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2997
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvE's now is far behind the "schedule" that players would like to see, nothing awe inspiring got made past Apochrypha.
This is why I'd like to rate Apocrypha as the worst EVE expansion ever. It did so much to raise player expectations about how much CCP could achieve in so little time, that anything else CCP does short of releasing an expansion bigger and bolder than Apocrypha will be ridiculed as "a few timers" or "a graphics update".
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Tesal
180
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:21:00 -
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What happens if CCP comes up empty and its left to players how to fix things? Is waiting for CCP to act a good idea? |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:30:00 -
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For the sake of sounding like a complete wacko, I'm going to say what I think CCP needs to do to inject some life into EVE.
Give high sec a small form of sov control in the way of station control. Nothing overly drastic, just being able to change around how many production slots there are and refine rates as well as collect a littl tax on the activities in that station.
And null needs PvE conflict drivers that will get both small and large groups in null, shooting each other.
It sounds wacky right?
CCP needs to shake **** up a little. This whole high sec is the PvE destination and null is the PvP destination is...
I don't know what it is, but it needs to burn a flaming death. They should start bluring the lines a little.
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Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
277
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:As demonstrated by the averted war between the CFC and the HBC, two coalitions who have been itching to shoot at each other for months, sov mechanics need to be fixed. Now. We're utterly fed up with dealing with timers and structure bashes and space that people don't care enough about to defend. We want battles, exploding ships, and goodfights, but these are becoming increasingly rare as more people get tired of the current sov mechanics.
So please, CCP, focus the summer expansion on sovereignty mechanics. I know it's a big project, but it needs to be done more than anything else and it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
What needs to happen is people like you and your allies need to stop listening to someone that just holds moons in NPC space and grow a pair and acutally fight.
This BS about sov is broke and dont want to grind HP is bullshit. CFC/HBC have done it before and recently. What has changed since then?
NOTHING.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3485
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:45:00 -
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Varesk wrote:What needs to happen is people like you and your allies need to stop listening to someone that just holds moons in NPC space and grow a pair and acutally fight.
This BS about sov is broke and dont want to grind HP is bullshit. CFC/HBC have done it before and recently. What has changed since then?
NOTHING. No, we're even more pissed off about the system having gone through it yet again. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:46:00 -
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Tesal wrote:What happens if CCP comes up empty and its left to players how to fix things? Is waiting for CCP to act a good idea?
People already are trying to cope with the abundance of NIPs. NIPs are literally made because people want to shoot each other without having to engage in full war (they were first conceived because tech was hilariously cartelable and broken, but with alchemy OTEC is only a name for a group of NIPs these days)*. Some people may claim that this specific theoreticaly HBC/CFC sov war never would have happened, but I think anyone with a moderate amount of knowledge of nullsec politics will agree that there have been several NIPs in other situations between entities where there was enough animosity for a war but ultimately people sick of structure grinding elected not to do something they hate for space that isn't worth taking.
Ultimately we're going to do what we can to amuse ourself, whether that means ganking freighters in hisec or engaging in wargames now that the HBC and CFC are neutral to each other. But if CCP wants to bring Null back to its original ideal of unrestricted empire warfare, sov needs to be improved on many levels.
* Some entities may have used NIPs beforehand, definitely so on a more informal basis (providence) but I don't have knowledge of null history that far back. I only can report my observation that they really started showing up as a more formal agreement recently, after OTEC. |

Tesal
181
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:53:00 -
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Zhade Lezte wrote:Tesal wrote:What happens if CCP comes up empty and its left to players how to fix things? Is waiting for CCP to act a good idea? People already are trying to cope with the abundance of NIPs. NIPs are literally made because people want to shoot each other without having to engage in full war (they were first conceived because tech was hilariously cartelable and broken, but with alchemy OTEC is only a name for a group of NIPs these days). Some people may claim that this specific theoreticaly HBC/CFC sov war never would have happened, but I think anyone with a moderate amount of knowledge of nullsec politics will agree that there have been several NIPs in other situations between entities where there was enough animosity for a war but ultimately people sick of structure grinding elected not to do something they hate for space that isn't worth taking. Ultimately we're going to do what we can to amuse ourself, whether that means ganking freighters in hisec or engaging in wargames now that the HBC and CFC are neutral to each other. But if CCP wants to bring Null back to its original ideal of unrestricted empire warfare, sov needs to be improved on many levels.
Back during the Cold War the USA and Soviet Union never fought a direct war, they fought through proxies. The Eve super powers of the HBC abd CFC don't want to fight a war either, but that shouldn't stop them from allowing several proxies to be permanently at full scale war. Bring back the meat shield.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:25:00 -
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I can totally understand not wanting to shoot your buddies. So, then, declare war on empire. Burn Jita seemed to go pretty well. You hate us and we hate you. (I guess.) Make it permanent. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2013.01.24 03:28:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:I can totally understand not wanting to shoot your buddies. So, then, declare war on empire. Burn Jita seemed to go pretty well. You hate us and we hate you. (I guess.) Make it permanent. As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3270
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:03:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:I can totally understand not wanting to shoot your buddies. So, then, declare war on empire. Burn Jita seemed to go pretty well. You hate us and we hate you. (I guess.) Make it permanent. As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. Ganking needs to be nerfed. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:23:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps.
La Nariz wrote:We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main.
Ladies first. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3270
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:31:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. La Nariz wrote:We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main. Ladies first. You can't awox in an NPC corp. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. La Nariz wrote:We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main. Ladies first. You can't awox in an NPC corp. The jigs up man, the jig is up! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:35:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. La Nariz wrote:We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main. Ladies first. I'll stop exploiting it when you do. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3272
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:37:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:As soon as you guys stop playing in decfree corps. La Nariz wrote:We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main. Ladies first. I'll stop exploiting it when you do. It's only exploiting when you aren't using it to keep your ~freighter~ and ~mackinaw~ safe. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Doom Sentinel
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:59:00 -
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You know things are broken when the two biggest nullsec entities don't start the biggest war in the history of eve because of how utterly boring they know it will be. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3274
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:02:00 -
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Doom Sentinel wrote:You know things are broken when the two biggest nullsec entities don't start the biggest war in the history of eve because of how utterly boring they know it will be. It wouldn't stop Boat, he's a ~real man~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:13:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'll stop exploiting it when you do.
So, we agree that it's an exploit.
The difference between us is that I am an SWA member, and only an SWA member. YOU, on the other hand, are a Goon, but you choose to tuck your tail and strike your colors for the sake of safety and convenience and call it "winning". |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3489
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:16:00 -
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Exploiting a game mechanic is not the same thing as using an exploit. One is allowed, the other is not. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2970
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:42:00 -
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Meanwhile, in null space...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1176
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:52:00 -
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Sov may be crap, and that may be the reason everyone says they haven't gone to war, but the truth is they're just lazy, and too comfortable. Apathy stops wars in Eve.
You can fix sov all you like, but you will still have everyone blue to each other. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
40
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:58:00 -
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Sov? Haha... sure, that's the reason. Not all those Tech moons that would end up in reinforced
Shuffle that moon-goo around again and watch all those "we don't want to grind sov" pilots going at 
You think the one alliance that holds quite a lot of tech with no sov to defend trying to calm a war in the north down is a coincidence?  |

Ra'Shyne Viper
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
56
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Posted - 2013.01.24 06:03:00 -
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Basically Alliance1 and friends are mad because taking the sov of Alliance2 is taking too long, and Alliance2 isnt defending it, which makes it even more boring, Alliance2 refuses to engage Alliance1 and friends because
A. Alliance1 and friends have unlimited resources
B. Alliance1 and friends outnumber Alliance2 4 to 1
youre the cause of no GF's, not the sov mech, even if it sucks |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3738
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvE's now is far behind the "schedule" that players would like to see, nothing awe inspiring got made past Apochrypha. This is why I'd like to rate Apocrypha as the worst EVE expansion ever. It did so much to raise player expectations about how much CCP could achieve in so little time, that anything else CCP does short of releasing an expansion bigger and bolder than Apocrypha will be ridiculed as "a few timers" or "a graphics update".
Not sure why a product paid for a premium fee should routinely under-deliver so that to keep expectations so low that anything is seen like manna from Heavens. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3738
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:La Nariz wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvE PvP has many wrong things. I wrote about them, got the ideas shot down by the GS Orthodoxy Control Center... and now you wish more ideas and support. Now lets see here I can't take much you post seriously because you subscribe to goonspiracy. You attribute that because we don't agree that it came from GSF high command that we must shoot down all of your posts with as much trolling as possible and that is simply not the case. Even if it was the case that GSF High Command hadn't given us you as a priority target for non-consensual forums PVP, your ideas are horrible and you never want to support us anyway :smith: because if we agree with it clearly GSFHC has an agenda.
The worst anti-support I had towards you (in the now locked threadnought) saw me "just" 75% agreeing with you.
75% is clearly way too low and clearly makes it a terrible idea. I should bend over and make my nose deep brown like just another puppet. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:27:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:La Nariz wrote: But will they care when the "EVE zerglings" decide to "derp" highsec? Oh I bet things will have to change immediately or ELSE should that happen!
Bored and fed up Nullsec players derping Highsec may just be the kick up the bum CCP needs to sort out Null, and Low for that matter.
Lot's of cancelled subs is the only thing CCP will ever take seriousely Don't Panic.
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Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2013.01.24 14:54:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote: I'd defenestrate you for using "incentivize" too!
LOL...
sorry, I know it's sort of OT just to laugh, but LOL anyway....
:P o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |

Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:04:00 -
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LOL
I see what you did there...
+1
o/ Celly Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
750
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:06:00 -
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LOL
I get jokes...
:D o/ Benny |

March rabbit
Aliastra
507
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:As demonstrated by the averted war between the CFC and the HBC, two coalitions who have been itching to shoot at each other for months, sov mechanics need to be fixed. Now. We're utterly fed up with dealing with timers and structure bashes and space that people don't care enough about to defend. We want battles, exploding ships, and goodfights, but these are becoming increasingly rare as more people get tired of the current sov mechanics.
So please, CCP, focus the summer expansion on sovereignty mechanics. I know it's a big project, but it needs to be done more than anything else and it needs to happen sooner rather than later. half a year ago this BAD FRIGHTENING sov-grind didn't stop all this horde from killing Delve and Querious. They even said there was no resistance so all that war was just structure grind.
But these days they can't force themself to try it?
Looks like complete bullcrap. They wanted to find reasons to not fight - they found it.
What is strange: so many people believe in their reasons  |
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