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Pinaculus
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:07:00 -
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Iorga Eeta wrote:You need some box and tail charts. Remember, Mean, Median and Mode are all important.
So much this.
CCP Punkturis wrote:Average bounty claimed in a kill 3.9 million ISK
This line leads me to believe that you've left upper end outliers in your average, and inadvertently skewed it upward. I could be wrong, but Mean/Median/Mode would all help determine the true value of the mechanic to most players and are fairly easy to calculate. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
5
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:09:00 -
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Ila Gant wrote:The multiple shades of "fabulous" aren't the issue, the issue is that the area of the legend boxes is too small to provide the eye with a good color sample to distinguish. Unless you're reading on a touch screen and can just pinch-and-zoom. Congrats to Boom Boom Big Bounty for the biggest monocle. ctrl + mousewheel will do the same on any computer |
Merouk Baas
458
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:23:00 -
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The pie chart is big. Put the legend text inside the pie chart slices, above the numbers, and the pink won't matter anymore. |
mkint
959
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:45:00 -
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Tldr, 'we're right, you're wrong, your experiences with bounties are a lie because we manufactured some meaningless numbers that say so.'
Everybody has a bounty. The primary purpose of bounties is random trolling. It is not a fun, meaningful, or rewarding feature for the vast majority of those who are exposed to it. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
588
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:55:00 -
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Nice hot pink charts for bounties.... Now how about some thing really usefull with those SQL skills and create a new set of Green charts for faucets & sinks that show the following information http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html from the last few months OUR LOGS SHOW NOTHING |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
588
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:07:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:since I know you're going to ask: no, I do not want to be the new CCP Diagoras
But we desperately need a new CCP Diagoras OUR LOGS SHOW NOTHING |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
347
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:22:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel? We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them
This needs to change. Players should be able to specify a reason, even if it's just limited to one line or something.
CCP Punkturis wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Question: When you blow someone up the payout is based on the "Pend insurance value". Is there any way to find this value for an item other than blowing it up? nope, it's a Super Friends secret That's what YOU think. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4399
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:22:00 -
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why you people hate pink!!!
the pie chart is pink just for fun, if you have a hard time seeing different shades of pink I'll tell you the legends on the right of the pie chart are in order of the amount, the highest amount on top, lowest on bottom (highest then being displayed as the biggest slice of pie ) Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3388
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:26:00 -
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mkint wrote:Tldr, 'we're right, you're wrong, your experiences with bounties are a lie because we manufactured some meaningless numbers that say so.'
Everybody has a bounty. The primary purpose of bounties is random trolling. It is not a fun, meaningful, or rewarding feature for the vast majority of those who are exposed to it. Translation: Don't confuse me with the facts.
I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.
I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.) To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4401
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:40:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.
I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them
people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3388
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:43:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.
I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! ... and when those people ask "Why?" we'll use our new catch phrase.
"Because of Punkturis". To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4401
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.
I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! ... and when those people ask "Why?" we'll use our new catch phrase. "Because of Punkturis".
pretty much the best reason for doing anything Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
278
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:06:00 -
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Ila Gant wrote:The multiple shades of "fabulous" aren't the issue, the issue is that the area of the legend boxes is too small to provide the eye with a good color sample to distinguish. Unless you're reading on a touch screen and can just pinch-and-zoom. Congrats to Boom Boom Big Bounty for the biggest monocle. *Blushes*
Ack tbh Boom not having a bounty was akin to a promiscuous lady of the night not wearing a short skirt at a discotheque so it was only a matter of time post Retribution.
Hopefully ambitious capsuleer(s) with the nostrils to sniff out a good deal will assist me in liberating the burden it imposes on my shoulders.
New mechanics impacted the business model of my previous mutually beneficial legitimate business offering to the community, but suffice to say don't think many can suggest the new system isn't a vast improvement on the old one so kudos to Team Super Friends. Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
601
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:43:00 -
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13000 bounties per week, 450k subscribers, 3% of subscribers affected by bounties weekly.
How do you think - what %% of players interesting in avatar gameplay? 10-20%? Or maybe 50-60%? Or maybe decent avatar gameplay could attract hundred(s) of thousands new players to the game? I still can't believe Incarna development dropped to continue development of FiS features which are interesting to minimal amount of players such as bounty hunting system where nobody is hunting for bounties. |
Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:57:00 -
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If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4405
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:23:00 -
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Kais Fiddler wrote:If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect.
2:1 would be a better ISK sink Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:30:00 -
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i like the pink graphs but the legends color chips are too small on some to properly differentiate the coloration.
and as for the buyoff thing, it should be 5:1 obviously You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
57
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:34:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:since I know you're going to ask: no, I do not want to be the new CCP Diagoras
So I should ask someone else about the ideal circumference of an apple pie ? http://eve-radio.com/ |
mkint
959
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:38:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect. 2:1 would be a better ISK sink An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4406
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:52:00 -
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mkint wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect. 2:1 would be a better ISK sink An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid.
I was making a joke. I'm not a game designer. But thank you for your kind words, mr friendly person, you have a good day too! Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:00:00 -
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The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3392
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:00:00 -
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mkint wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect. 2:1 would be a better ISK sink An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid. No. An expiration date on bounties in game, just as in real life, would be pointless and silly... which is probably why you posted it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1459
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:08:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk. This also has a nice isk sink effect. 2:1 would be a better ISK sink actually it has to be 5:1. Since its 20% payout. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
288
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:13:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel? We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them
Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question.
Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.
http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4416
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:16:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel? We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question. Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.
I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel.... Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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mkint
959
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:40:00 -
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Kais Fiddler wrote:The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately. People who are upset are so because bounties aren't a means for punishment or revenge. They are a harassment tool. I'm willing to bet most bounties are done for the minimum amount, and are either random or against people who draw attention to themselves by being actively helpful. The bounty system is punishment for trying to contribute to the community. Why the hell would anyone want to be part of a community when devs punish people for being active?
The bounty system is mostly a failure, and propaganda blogs like this one are designed to hide it. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2824
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:58:00 -
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insert into forum_likes ( to_user_no, post_no, from_user_no ) select punkturis_posts.user_no as to_user_no, punkturis_posts.post_no as post_no, shiptoaster.user_no as from_user_no from ( select user_no, post_no from forum_posts inner join forum_users using (user_no) where character_name = 'CCP Punkturis' ) punkturis_posts, ( select user_no from forum_users where character_name = 'Liang Nuren' ) shiptoaster ;
-Liang
Ed: Formatting. It sucks. There's probably a [pre] but... /shrug Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2997
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:58:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know.
Aside from the total lack of sarcasm in CCP Punkturis's reply (trust me, I'm Australian, our native language is Sarcastic English: there was absolutely no way you could interpret her response as sarcastic), what is the point of knowing how many people in Help channel received token bounties?
My friends and alts have received token bounties for chatting in NPC corp chat, being in local in Trossere, being in a system with an ice belt, being in Jita, speaking in Help chat, posting on forums, or having a name that starts with "A", "B", "C" or "D". What information do you hope to divine from something as trivial as "proportion of people in Help chat who have bounties placed on them for being in Help chat"?
Maybe you need to ask yourself why you take bounties so personally. People aren't placing bounties on others because there is hatred or death threats involved: they are placing bounties because they can, and that is the only way of showing you they care. There is no "like" button ingame, but there is F1 or "add bounty".
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1534
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:19:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Panhead4411 wrote:Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel? We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them Thank you for your sarcastic remark while actually avoiding the question. Punkturis, you are one of the cooler Dev's in my mind, please don't lose it by being like the others and avoiding the answers you don't want to know. I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel.... A non-sarcastic answer would be
"nnnn people have bounties of 300k or less, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."
Or even better:
"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them while they had the Help channel up, but we do not know why they got those bounties placed on them."
Edit: Or even better:
"nnnn people had bounties of 300k or less placed on them within 5 minutes of chatting in the Help channel, but we do not know if their chat activity was the cause of them getting a bounty". http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
349
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:52:00 -
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mkint wrote:Kais Fiddler wrote:The ratio is negotiable; the effect though would be amusing. I'd be interested in how many people would buy out bounties against them at a simple 1:1 ratio compared to a 2:1 or 5:1. A lot of people seem to be unduly upset at the bounty changes, which I don't really understand unfortunately. People who are upset are so because bounties aren't a means for punishment or revenge. They are a harassment tool. I'm willing to bet most bounties are done for the minimum amount, and are either random or against people who draw attention to themselves by being actively helpful. The bounty system is punishment for trying to contribute to the community. Why the hell would anyone want to be part of a community when devs punish people for being active? The bounty system is mostly a failure, and propaganda blogs like this one are designed to hide it.
You are one angry person.
I'm sad that Punkturis didn't reply to my earlier post. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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