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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2005.07.07 05:10:00 -
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Wow, I could rant for ages but just can't be bothered anymore as this around the 8th, distinct, seperate thread that deals with exactly the same issue that I have responded to.
Missle users have had it easy. Set and forget tactics while bathing your naked relative do not work anymore, nor should they have ever worked.
I know I am not 'allowed' to respond to this thread, but come on, this in all seriousness is just plain stupid.
People that don't see this are short-sighted imho. Someone else summed it up very well:
"Would you expect to hit a housefly with a banana?"
Kudos to the person that wrote this, as it is the simplest way of explaining something that soooo many people just don't get.
Read it, understand it and then adapt to it. We all had to 12-months ago.
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The Hellion
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Posted - 2005.07.07 05:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Rhet
Raven pilot here, my damage and rof is hurt but whatever. I dont care as long as t2 launchers are sold by npcs...which I dont know yet...I hope they are, if not that is TOTAL ******* bull****
and why would tech 2 missile launchers be the only tech 2 item to be sold by npc's? They won't be sold by npc's and you won't complain because if you seriously expected them to be sold by npc's you'll be too embarrased to admit it on these forums.
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Opticon
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sykosys
I am all for it and do not support your idea simply because missles were skills that only required lvl 4 in 4-5 diffrent skills and were 10 times better than turrets which need lvl 5 in about 10 skills to be effective.
And a player that flies a BS after 1 month and thinks they can solo lvl 4 missions.....Ummmmm unbalanced much. . .or just too much. . .HOW MUCH Too much
These forums are for a discussion. (My previous post was sarcasm in case you didn't realize.)
same
I agreed with this dude i got 9 mil points in gunnery and a noob like to do the same damage with only a month training + on top of it he never miss total crap that is
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Sheph
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:14:00 -
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Signed up for this - i dislike the changes
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:22:00 -
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Me and all of my alts disagree, and fully support the missile balance. I have almost all the old missile skills at lvl5, a raven and I find the new changes to be absolutely sextastic.
Also, I am giving out cookies to all disgruntled lvl4 agent runners and "combat pilots" who can't nuke every class ship with torpedoes anymore.
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Artean
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:25:00 -
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I agree! Signed and all! Nerf those missiles and, in particular, the Raven!!
The amount of dmg this beast will through at you when the new skills are trained is insane, I tell ya!! INSANE!!
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:27:00 -
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Ok patch is in. And as everyone who knows me knows I am a Caldari Pilot.
I love my Raven, and tbh, the changes are both warranted and needed. My Torps still do decent damage on a BS, my cruise are also good vs BS and nice and fast (cruise vs Cruiser is not so good)
But my problem with the current patch lies here within:
In my crow, in a straight frig vs frig fight, my rockets do about 7.3 damage.
Compare that with the turret base dfrigates, and I am a dead man walking. (the fitting changes are again ok, its not the end of the world that Cal users now need a MPAC to fit, although we could do with a mid or low range rocket and standard launcher with low fitting reqs, Hybrid Turret users get 150 125 and 75mm guns for example, missile boats have only 1 choice)
So back to the damage output.
Am i missing something here?
Standard launchers do not fair any better, so basically, missile vs frigate warfare, is now redundant.
I have climbed back into my trustee Malediction, with tech 2 pulse, and if I see a crow, i know I have won, my damage is 5x his.
I do not believe the skills will make that much difference. I have begun training, nad not noticed huge improvements per level, which would be needed if its to balance out eventually, and painters certainly DO NOT make f all difference :(.
And heavy missiles are just as bad vs a frig, even if its webbed and double painted, they are next to useless.
OVERALL, the skills are an excellent idea, specialised Missile Boat Pilots have entered the arena, and my raven will at last be more of a rarity in the world of Eve, but in cruiser vs cruiser and Frigate vs Frigate warfare, some balancing is needed, as right now missile boats are totally and utterly innefective.
Someone show me some hope. Someone show me what I have missed. I don't wanna ditch my cerb and Crow, so gimme the light at the end of the tunnel please :) xx
The damage clacs and how skills will effect them would be a good starting place. :) xx
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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:29:00 -
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sheesh...
I'm very happy with how things turned out!
Keep up the good work CCP!
And to all you kestrel/carcaral/raven (ab)users:
Revenge is sweet.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:31:00 -
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mmm as a gallente pilot of a megathon my missiles are doing less damage but thts not such a bad thing - everyone has had a months warning on the forums about this change and had time to train up missile skills.
Still i think its balanced but the dataminingwill soon determine if CCP make any changes
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Saleene Yersa
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:32:00 -
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The new missile changes are what was requireed. most missile fenatics just cant stand the fact that they can no longer get instant pwnage.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:37:00 -
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mmm the game balanced and require more co op on level 4 missions and other activities - this is a good thing lower level rats have higher ISK now as well which allows new players quicker riches into the mid level parts of the games.
Once players get their missile skills up as complex as gunnery is now they will get back to the old abilities.
Im just wonderingif we are going to get new classes of weapons to play with.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:39:00 -
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I can't believe such threads can even exist...
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:47:00 -
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I like my Raven and missiles, however, I also trained gunnery and later for tech2 artilery. When compare the skills I need to be effective at gunnery and the skills needed for missiles (pre patch), its to cry over how easy it been to use missiles. Fair enough being a missile user before the patch had its disadventages particular in pvp with slow missiles and such but that changed at a cost of other things that was needed.
Train the new skills and adapt, crying over it is useless. Or you could always train gunnery skills if missiles doesn't do it for you anylonger.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:53:00 -
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I dont get it, its technically a boost this patch for missiles, just a nerf in versitility. The same thing turrets have had to put up with for ages. You have 3 seperate skills adding to your dps, 2 to your range and speed and 2 to increase cruise missile and smaller versitility. All you have to do is train the new skills and you will be better than pre-patch with the exception of having to alter some vanilla setups due to grid changes and even thats partially countered by a new skill.
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Sheve
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:57:00 -
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Quote:
Please Only sign this if you support it. If you don't then just don't reply!
This is constructive. I want to let ccp know how many people do not like the nerf to the entent it has been enforced.
I for one want to see the nerf reduced....
Do some people even read the first post?, go make an i love the patch thread and let people post there feelings.
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:00:00 -
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I agree Ruffio. I am an accomplished gunner. I was "OK" with cruise and torps before patch. I suck big time with them after patch.
I think its great there are more skills involved in missles. All you planks that are complaining about it really are expecting everything to be given to you on a plate. The new skills with a few cheap mods will allow your missles to perform better than before? You are either very dumb or should be put in a single player game where you get all equipment and ships free with no interaction. A T.S.P.O.N.A.B. (Tiny Single Player Offline No Brainer).
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:09:00 -
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new missile 4tw
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sheve
Quote:
Please Only sign this if you support it. If you don't then just don't reply!
This is constructive. I want to let ccp know how many people do not like the nerf to the entent it has been enforced.
I for one want to see the nerf reduced....
Do some people even read the first post?, go make an i love the patch thread and let people post there feelings.
Actually the people disagreeing with the original poster are doing the thread a favour.A whole stream of nothing but 'signed' would potentially consitute spam...and thus beckon deletion.
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Jeff McDaniels
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:11:00 -
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Just cancelled my subscription, due to the changes to the missiles...maybe it will be changed again, the way it is right now it's just no fun anymore...
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mitawyn
Originally by: Bozse
Here u go.
btw im a raven pilot and see no problems with the changes.
This was old and stale months ago. Haven't you got anything original?
How about this for a combo.
btw. i didn't make them so thanks to whom ever i stole them from =/
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Chee
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:26:00 -
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all those people that are complaining need to take a deep breath and relax
pre-patch you were overpowered. thats hard to understand when your not a turret user
but its something you have to cope with. Now you are presented with a fresh start and specialisation skills and mechanics
/rant on
I would go so far as you lot are lazy. Youve been so 'spoiled' with the pre-patch missiles that now your a bunch of sissies that give up before they have had a good look at the new mechanics and tactics.
/rant off
I just had to say that. All I see is missile topics everywhere, its making me 
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rayfin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
If you read the bug blog, it's apparent that there are some minor issues with the missile nerf/buff that need to be corrected. From the look of it, the signature radius/damage calculation is screwed.
Good to see missions take in the arse though. Newbies in Ravens no more!
i would suspect there is some truth in this as i could not touch a gurista "merlin type" frigate with 2 light missile launchers and 2 heavy launchers down too more than 90% shield while at 5k-7k range and i had trained all the new missile skills to a level of one just to see if it would improve the current situation it did raise the damage slightly but not enough to warrent a kill i was in a raven and did not bother with my 2 cruise missles as i saw that as a waste of isk.....
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sheve
Quote:
Please Only sign this if you support it. If you don't then just don't reply!
This is constructive. I want to let ccp know how many people do not like the nerf to the entent it has been enforced.
I for one want to see the nerf reduced....
Do some people even read the first post?, go make an i love the patch thread and let people post there feelings.
yeah right I'm afraid I read the first post, and that's exactly what saddened me that much. "don't reply if you don't agree" great...
"petition"? Since when is CCP supposed to care about "petitions"??? I *think* there's a reason why there isn't any "poll" feature in these forums (but I know, "I'm paying a monthly fee, CCP just obey your paying customers or we'll all quit" GAAAH)
And about starting another thread... "Petition - I love the new patch - sign r STFU" great Enough stupid threads around there today don't you think?
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle
Please Only sign this if you support it. If you don't then just don't reply!
This is constructive. I want to let ccp know how many people do not like the nerf to the entent it has been enforced.
No, it's not. Constructive would be if you were saying what you don't like about the changes, why you don't like it, and how it could be done better.
What you are doing is spam 
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