You mean... it's actually possible to lose supercaps now?
Like every other ship in the game?

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

:David Attenborough:

And here, we see the FOTM kiddie in its natural habitat, the forums. This one has just lost his ability to hunt with impunity, never needing to rely on his wit nor his skill. Having grown soft when he could hunt with ease, he has realized that he may struggle to hunt, now that he is on a level playing field with the rest of the jungle. His response, as you can see, is to pull out his hair and gnash at the shadows, occasionally screaming gibberish. He may not survive the winter.

1. Remote ECM burst nerf. Not sure how this makes a big difference, but fine.

2. 20% HP reduction. Fine, this is a needed change.

3. Fighters and fighter-bombers only. So now I can't shoot towers anymore, only the mods outside of the shield. Every other ship in the game can do this, but supers can't. Silly, but whatever. I can see why it was done so I'll live with this nerf too.

4. Reduce dronebay from 200k to 125k (Aeon). Um, what? First I can only have fighters and fighter-bombers, then you tell me I can only carry a full complement of one plus five of the other? Now I'm getting mad. Forget deploying anywhere, who's going to carry the other half of my drones for me in case I need to swap out from structure shoot to fleet fight? And now, since I still can't dock, I need a POS with a corp hangar to hold them and a ship hangar for the fitting service to do the swap. Dumb dumb dumb. May as well just carry fighters only and let much (much!) cheaper Dreads do the structure shoots. Except...

5. Increase fighter signature resolution from 125 to 400. Seriously? Are you on crack? First I can't carry regular drones now my fighters are pretty useless for anything other than shooting structures and capitals. Well, I guess they'll hit a battleship. If it's sitting still. Maybe.

Side note: the fighter nerf affects all carriers, not just supers. No more ratting or assigning fighters with any carrier.

6. Change to logoff mechanics. ZOMGWTFMADBRO! You're telling me that if I get tackled by some silly little Flycatcher I'm completely screwed?! Follow me here: I can't jump or warp while bubbled. I can't launch Hobgoblins or Gardes and kill him because I don't have those anymore thanks to #3. I can't launch fighters and kill him, my fighters (if I even had room to bring them thanks to #4) can barely hit a battleship thanks to #5, how much luck will they have against a destroyer? And I can't log off (or god help me, lose my internet connection) because as long as he shoots me once every 15 minutes he can basically hold me there until he runs out of bubbles (over three hours!). That's just one example. Imagine sitting there aggro with your big expensive shiny ship, losing your internet connection, finally getting back on and finding that you were killed because someone probed you with a T1 frigate (supers are EASY to probe out) and shot you once every 15 minutes for 22 hours until his buddies finally formed up. No reason to rush, it's not like you're going anywhere! Crazy. And is this change really needed after implementing #2? I'd rather take a 40% HP reduction than take this change to logging off.

So, to re-cap:
#1 is fine.
#2 is fine and long overdue.
#3 or #4 but not both.
#5 is complete crap. Every carrier pilot should be screaming.
#6 means it's too risky to log in for more than updating skill queue. May as well let the account lapse until it's un-nerfed :(

can anyone show me 1 or 2 reason? (serious question)

I think its a fallacy to begin with to even compare the two directly. Supercarriers are not be-all end-all DPS ships. They are larger cousins of carriers, which are a LOGISTICS ship.

Dread guns are extremely limited. They cannot hit moving targets well. Fighters can.

Supercarriers CARRY OTHER SHIPS. You can stash a fleet in them. Your buddies can jumpclone to you, and undock in whatever ship you have in your belly.

Supercarriers can use remote reps. Supercarriers can use Remote ECM bursts, a powerful area of attack weapon.

Supercarriers have the proper type DPS to kill a ship class smaller than themselves (Battleships). Dreads can only attack ships of the same size or larger.

Need more reasons?

Yes, these changes make it difficult to open the EvE ship book and point to the one that is "teh best". But thats the way it should be.

People asking these questions, along with the ones raging over how the changes "destroyed supers", are totally not ready to be flying capital ships to begin with.

I'd start with frigates, than cruisers, than BC's, and learning which ships are used for logi, which are used for DPS, which are used for support, and being able to tell the difference....these are pretty critical skills that appear to be lacking amongst 90% of the supercap pilots of EvE, based on the reactions to the changes.

this is the best post in the whole thread

this is the best post in the whole thread

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

man im not even in 0.0 and the tears are fueling me

Nothing like being ganked by 1000 ibis's.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

Dude just buy a monocle, will feel better and play better.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling or if your really just don't know anything about eve online and the ships in it but since I can't tell I will start pointing out mistakes

SUPERCARRIERS CANNOT FIT CLONE VAT BAYS titans and rorqs only

Tracking is based off of transversal vorticity ie a erebus catches your dramiel burning straight at it at 10kps it will still hit it so I thought I would bring this up to point out dreads can hit ships other than capitals

fighters are being nerfed also they are moving their sig resolution from 125 to 400

Makes alliance level 0.0 warfare a high-risk thing with massive casualties ... basically good.

If people are too chicken-scared to commit then they don't deserve to hold space.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

supers were in no shape or form instant win. no one is willing to drop supers on goons and test fleets for a reason we eat them with subcaps now they will just be useless ships that cant hold enough drones

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

stuff....

It never should have been about god mode online or supercaps online.

Laughable. Titans will go back to being bridges, and Motherships will rot on dead accounts.
No one will put one on the field knowing if things go bad, the server farts in the wrong direction and a bunch of his fleet get dc'ed, whatever, he's dead.
The Dread buff alone would have been a good counter and made it harder to field small Super fleets without sufficient support, but as usual, CCP used a hammer instead of a chisel....