He is so mad...

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, and are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

That means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost 15 supers.

I hope, at the very least, my tears fuel you.

stuff ......... EVE is dead.

None of this sounds bad to me.

If I had a penny for every time I read that (or variant) on here ....I would not be able to move around my house any more.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

.

I don't recall seeing anything about a reverse cyno jammer being added. If it looks like you're losing, jump out. Not CCP's fault if you don't have an escape cyno chain set up in advance. That's called strategy.

They can't point all of you. And if they can, your intel people suck, and you deserve to lose. That's war. That's EVE.

er..um... how can you jump out? if you are in a bubble?.... LOL

er..um... how can you jump out? if you are in a bubble?.... LOL

er..um... how can you jump out? if you are in a bubble?.... LOL

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

Shocking. You can lose your stuff.

Welcome to EVE.

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

Change your tactics, don't just drop your supers on a blob.

Drop them off grid somewhere else in system. Don't drop them all in one place. Make sure you have Cap and Sub cap support. Use the clone vat and carry fit ships for people to reship quick.

If your a 1 trick super blob pony you deserve to die.

You should never have ever seen Supers on field without, caps and sub caps, the fact that you did shows you how bad that CCP ****** up when they re-balanced supers.

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

Thanks for bringing moms back to what it was...... totaly useless

Is it time for us older players to leave EVE now ?

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

Thanks for bringing moms back to what it was...... totaly useless

Is it time for us older players to leave EVE now ?

I don't recall seeing anything about a reverse cyno jammer being added. If it looks like you're losing, jump out. Not CCP's fault if you don't have an escape cyno chain set up in advance. That's called strategy.

They can't point all of you. And if they can, your intel people suck, and you deserve to lose. That's war. That's EVE.




Sort of a bad example, modern supercarriers can win wars with most countries on earth by themselves.

Um no. An aircraft carrier will not even leave port without the compliment of it's defensive support fleet of cruisers, destroyers and subs. Not to mention all the space based and land based assets tasked to a carrier battle GROUP. A "modern american supercarrier", while truly able to wield more destructive military power anywhere in the world than all but the strongest military forces in the world, it does nothing "by themselves."

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

while truly able to wield more destructive military power anywhere in the world than all but the strongest military forces in the world, it does nothing "by themselves."

Nulli Secunda have a SC fleet worth dropping? Whaaaa?

Nulli Secunda have a SC fleet worth dropping? Whaaaa?

First of all, If you jump your fleet or any ship into a fight or through a gate you should be ready to lose that ship. There should be no get out of jail free cards for being an idiot or being less prepared than the enemy. That is what logging off is, a get out of being killed cause you are an idiot card. I think ccp did not go far enough. The rule should be if you log off you have a 30 sec timer that starts, and if you get aggression in that 30 sec, the 15 min timer should start. This idea that you should be able to log off and get away is dumb. It allows people to not scout themselves or the enemy fleet and allows them to get out of a bad situation with no consequences. This is probably the stupidest thing about eve...this idea that you shouldnt lose your ship when you make a mistake.

GǪfor a nice illustration, look up the Millennium Challenge 2002 wargame and what happened there. The tl;dr of it is this: welpfleets works in real life tooGǪ they really work.

No way a sane super pilot will commit now

Now what happen if you are logging off inside a pos? your ship warps at savespot, but you are still scanable and the ship disapear after 1min without combat timer. This could still be enought for a good scanner and fast warping ship to find you in system and shot at you with a civilian gun, then your 15min timer starts? and your ship is gone?

So you cant dock, you cant logoff, what do you do whit you sc? be online 24/7? sounds funny :)

how about... jump out to a safe system? Stop logging off with hostiles in system?

As my esteemed brother says.. I see no downside.

That's just dumb.

Realistically, once inside the POS bubble, my character wouldn't go "DRRRRR, I WARP OUTSIDE NOW LOLOL11" the minute I log off.

Your character doesn't do this anyway.

It's been 2 years (if not longer) since your ship warped out of a POS when you log off. You log off in place.

What I'm trying to say is:

"lol ur dum"

Steady now. It sounds like you're expecting a supercap pilot to know how to play as well as grind up/buy the ISK for their ship.

Now that's hardly reasonable is it?

You do warp off, you just don't see it, and aren't scannable. Why do you think you warp back after logging back in? You don't just pop up at the POS again.

Now do you trust these changes not to **** that up?

You. Log. Off. In. Place.

You disappear inside the POS, and then warp back in, exactly where you logged off (bubbles are ineffective).

You disappear in place. Don't assume you aren't warped off invisibly. You wouldn't need to warp back to your POS after log in if you hadn't been warped off in the first place.

Now what happens when you battle -> go to POS -> log off in under 15 mins in the new system? Is your ship just gonna disappear or is it gonna do something stupid? I can almost guarantee it'll do something stupid, there will be multiple bug reports on Sisi, and it'll deploy unfixed.

No guys, a mechanic that has nothing to do with the nerfs will end up screwed up because forum poster Jada Maroo said so.

Haven't read the blog yet but by the sounds of peoples comments.

THe large alliances will continue to use SC's and Blob with them and the small alliances will put them in storage.

Yup winter is going to be interesting.

Indeed. Now you're getting it. * Pats on head *

Oh boy. My face sure is red.

I don't know whether to be delighted or horrified that there is this many supercapital pilots in the game with such a poor grasp on strategy and tactics. Seriously, the fear-mongering here is redonkulous.

Thank you everyone, for confirming once again that numbers and sizes have very little do to with increased amounts of thought put into battling it out, and that the make up of any fleet above 50 is about 90% terrified pilots who are completely dependent on the FC to wipe their asses for them. Seriously, I really dont care how big your 3p33n is or how many sp you have, if you're under the impression that supercarriers are now worthless than you deserve to either have it collect dust for eternity, or you deserve for it to die in a horrible fire.

Thank you CCP, for taking care of this. The scared supercap pilots who trained straight for the big stuff without every learning to, you know, PvP, deserve to be weeded out swiftly and severely when they dont put any thought into their drops, those pilots with a few brain cells and some balls o steel will be out scouting, planning, setting up cynos, primarying HIC's, and tactically handling these changes like champs.

To those nullsec jocks complaining that "if we lose subcap battle, we lose supercap battle" my advice is this - learn to fly smaller ships. You know, the ones that the other 95% of Eve players fly. Learn to fly them, and win. Yes, it is more difficult than jumping in a super, launching drones indefinitely, laughing at other players, than logging when things go south. Yes, its more difficult than hopping in an Abaddon and going down an alphabetical primary list and feeling like you're a badass cause you're with 500 others. But if you guys learn to actually PvP, and make independent decisions in a fleet situation, you might be able to instruct the subcap fleet that you'll need to defend yourself in how to do their job. And if your subcap buddies can't take out some HIC's or bubblers in time, well, thats your fault.

I think we're going to need a Tech 2 Noctis with tech 2 liquid extractors to gather all these tears come winter. I'm thrilled super pilots will actually have to pause for a bit and think before deploying their 'I WIN" buttons.

Everyone should be celebrating the triumph of tactics over resources. Eve is a great big sandbox and all, but just like all you people who said no "gold ammo" advantages, there likewise shouldn't be tactical advantages strictly because your Alliance owns more supers than the next. There should ALWAYS be a way for the clever smaller guy to get ahead, even against caps.

The scared supercap pilots who trained straight for the big stuff without every learning to, you know, PvP, deserve to be weeded out swiftly and severely when they dont put any thought into their drops, those pilots with a few brain cells and some balls o steel will be out scouting, planning, setting up cynos, primarying HIC's, and tactically handling these changes like champs

Thank you CCP, for taking care of this. The scared supercap pilots who trained straight for the big stuff without every learning to, you know, PvP, deserve to be weeded out swiftly and severely when they dont put any thought into their drops, those pilots with a few brain cells and some balls o steel will be out scouting, planning, setting up cynos, primarying HIC's, and tactically handling these changes like champs.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

[Citation Needed]

(Was this in the nerf announcement, or are you just too lazy to carry a second load of fuel and a cyno out?)

so 0.0 people are now complaining that they have to use tactics now?


Here lets break down tactics for the 0.0 people shall we?

Titan bridges in support fleet of recons and battleships to start jamming the enemy fleet.

Carriers and dreads jump in and start pounding the crap out of the enemy capitals.

Finally moms and titans jump in to make quick work of all those pesky triage carriers and the supers take down other supers.

The nerf is just going to make super cap pilots rely on their alliance for help now rather than wheee i have 25 fighter bombers and can kill anything.


Now if you all excuse me i have to go refit a moros and thanatos for battle with target painters.

...tears...

...moar tears...

Sort of a bad example, modern supercarriers can win wars with most countries on earth by themselves.

You win the game, all of it, really you sir win at life.

#3 or #4 but not both.
#5 is complete crap. Every carrier pilot should be screaming.
#6 means it's too risky to log in for more than updating skill queue. May as well let the account lapse until it's un-nerfed :(

Stuff.

if they can make is so that supers stay on the grid after logoff if agressed, why cant they do that for all ships

There isn't much need, the current mechanics really only impact ships like Jump Freighters and Supercaps, where the HP buffer is enough for the logoffski to endure 15 mins of whatever DPS they are likely to encounter.

I mean, they could reset the timer every time something shoots your battleship, but how many situations will you find where a battleship can survive 15 mins of damage and not pop? I suppose if you logoff in an otherwise empty system so you can survive the noobship that's tackling you....

I am more concerned about the fighter nerf and in turn the normal carrier nerf.

After a player logs out, there is a check for player aggression every 15 minutes. If you have been aggressed, the timer extends for 15 minutes; if you have not been aggressed, you disappear as before. Note: this is only for player aggression and will not change what happens when you log off during fights against NPCs.

I see nothing that says only supers. This appears to me like it will affect everyone.

What is the advantage of a sc over a dread after this patch? I can only find disadvantages for a much higher price...

1. A dread can dock, a sc can't.

2. A dread makes nealy 50% of the dps but costs only about 10-20% of a sc. (dread dps will be improved)

3. Guns of a dread can't be killed, fighter/bombers can be killed and no room in dronebay for replacement.

4. A dread can shoot a pos, a sc can't.


can anyone show me 1 or 2 reason? (serious question)

And don't tell me just the ehp, because the ehp per isk is not higher either after the 20% nurf...

While the general tone of the utterly awesome thread is focusing on logoffski, do we know if the new logoffski rules will apply to people who jump through gates and immediately log off?

What is the advantage of a sc over a dread after this patch? I can only find disadvantages for a much higher price...

1. A dread can dock, a sc can't.

2. A dread makes nealy 50% of the dps but costs only about 10-20% of a sc. (dread dps will be improved)

3. Guns of a dread can't be killed, fighter/bombers can be killed and no room in dronebay for replacement.

4. A dread can shoot a pos, a sc can't.


can anyone show me 1 or 2 reason? (serious question)

And don't tell me just the ehp, because the ehp per isk is not higher either after the 20% nurf...

Well there's the tiny matter of still having 10 or more times the EHP, but if having an order of magnitude better tank isn't enough for you, there are others like:

Being mobile while applying DPS,

Still applying 10-50% more DPS than dreads (eg: Nyx vs Revalation),

Able to apply that DPS anywhere on grid

Not having to seige for any minutes at all in order to apply full DPS (meaning you can jump to an exit cyno at any time and you

Can be remote repped while still being EW-immune, both of which are massive defensive advantages btw),

Not having to use your precious jump-out/rep capacitor to apply DPS,

Not having to use consumable stront/ammo to apply DPS,

Being able to fit a remote ECM burst, and being able to fit cloaks, heavy neuts and smartbombs, while not compromising your DPS

And finally, in the case of the Nyx and the Hel, looking marvellous.

So yeah to me it still looks like in a fleet fight, a supercarrier is way more powerful than a dread.

Yeah i know he only asked for 1 or 2 advantages and he got 8 major ones (I forgot to mention that supercarriers can also refit on the battlefield as well as enabling friendly ships to refit, and they carry 2M m^3 of fitted ships for your friends to reship into, so even if your subcap fleet runs into some problems, they can keep fighting, so yeah actually 10 major advantages) because once you get thinking about it, supercaps are still so incredibly powerful and useful that it's hard to stop noticing them once you start.

You mean... it's actually possible to lose supercaps now?
Like every other ship in the game?

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

:David Attenborough:

And here, we see the FOTM kiddie in its natural habitat, the forums. This one has just lost his ability to hunt with impunity, never needing to rely on his wit nor his skill. Having grown soft when he could hunt with ease, he has realized that he may struggle to hunt, now that he is on a level playing field with the rest of the jungle. His response, as you can see, is to pull out his hair and gnash at the shadows, occasionally screaming gibberish. He may not survive the winter.

1. Remote ECM burst nerf. Not sure how this makes a big difference, but fine.

2. 20% HP reduction. Fine, this is a needed change.

3. Fighters and fighter-bombers only. So now I can't shoot towers anymore, only the mods outside of the shield. Every other ship in the game can do this, but supers can't. Silly, but whatever. I can see why it was done so I'll live with this nerf too.

4. Reduce dronebay from 200k to 125k (Aeon). Um, what? First I can only have fighters and fighter-bombers, then you tell me I can only carry a full complement of one plus five of the other? Now I'm getting mad. Forget deploying anywhere, who's going to carry the other half of my drones for me in case I need to swap out from structure shoot to fleet fight? And now, since I still can't dock, I need a POS with a corp hangar to hold them and a ship hangar for the fitting service to do the swap. Dumb dumb dumb. May as well just carry fighters only and let much (much!) cheaper Dreads do the structure shoots. Except...

5. Increase fighter signature resolution from 125 to 400. Seriously? Are you on crack? First I can't carry regular drones now my fighters are pretty useless for anything other than shooting structures and capitals. Well, I guess they'll hit a battleship. If it's sitting still. Maybe.

Side note: the fighter nerf affects all carriers, not just supers. No more ratting or assigning fighters with any carrier.

6. Change to logoff mechanics. ZOMGWTFMADBRO! You're telling me that if I get tackled by some silly little Flycatcher I'm completely screwed?! Follow me here: I can't jump or warp while bubbled. I can't launch Hobgoblins or Gardes and kill him because I don't have those anymore thanks to #3. I can't launch fighters and kill him, my fighters (if I even had room to bring them thanks to #4) can barely hit a battleship thanks to #5, how much luck will they have against a destroyer? And I can't log off (or god help me, lose my internet connection) because as long as he shoots me once every 15 minutes he can basically hold me there until he runs out of bubbles (over three hours!). That's just one example. Imagine sitting there aggro with your big expensive shiny ship, losing your internet connection, finally getting back on and finding that you were killed because someone probed you with a T1 frigate (supers are EASY to probe out) and shot you once every 15 minutes for 22 hours until his buddies finally formed up. No reason to rush, it's not like you're going anywhere! Crazy. And is this change really needed after implementing #2? I'd rather take a 40% HP reduction than take this change to logging off.

So, to re-cap:
#1 is fine.
#2 is fine and long overdue.
#3 or #4 but not both.
#5 is complete crap. Every carrier pilot should be screaming.
#6 means it's too risky to log in for more than updating skill queue. May as well let the account lapse until it's un-nerfed :(

can anyone show me 1 or 2 reason? (serious question)

I think its a fallacy to begin with to even compare the two directly. Supercarriers are not be-all end-all DPS ships. They are larger cousins of carriers, which are a LOGISTICS ship.

Dread guns are extremely limited. They cannot hit moving targets well. Fighters can.

Supercarriers CARRY OTHER SHIPS. You can stash a fleet in them. Your buddies can jumpclone to you, and undock in whatever ship you have in your belly.

Supercarriers can use remote reps. Supercarriers can use Remote ECM bursts, a powerful area of attack weapon.

Supercarriers have the proper type DPS to kill a ship class smaller than themselves (Battleships). Dreads can only attack ships of the same size or larger.

Need more reasons?

Yes, these changes make it difficult to open the EvE ship book and point to the one that is "teh best". But thats the way it should be.

People asking these questions, along with the ones raging over how the changes "destroyed supers", are totally not ready to be flying capital ships to begin with.

I'd start with frigates, than cruisers, than BC's, and learning which ships are used for logi, which are used for DPS, which are used for support, and being able to tell the difference....these are pretty critical skills that appear to be lacking amongst 90% of the supercap pilots of EvE, based on the reactions to the changes.

this is the best post in the whole thread

this is the best post in the whole thread

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

man im not even in 0.0 and the tears are fueling me

Nothing like being ganked by 1000 ibis's.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

Dude just buy a monocle, will feel better and play better.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling or if your really just don't know anything about eve online and the ships in it but since I can't tell I will start pointing out mistakes

SUPERCARRIERS CANNOT FIT CLONE VAT BAYS titans and rorqs only

Tracking is based off of transversal vorticity ie a erebus catches your dramiel burning straight at it at 10kps it will still hit it so I thought I would bring this up to point out dreads can hit ships other than capitals

fighters are being nerfed also they are moving their sig resolution from 125 to 400

Makes alliance level 0.0 warfare a high-risk thing with massive casualties ... basically good.

If people are too chicken-scared to commit then they don't deserve to hold space.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

supers were in no shape or form instant win. no one is willing to drop supers on goons and test fleets for a reason we eat them with subcaps now they will just be useless ships that cant hold enough drones

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

stuff....

It never should have been about god mode online or supercaps online.

Laughable. Titans will go back to being bridges, and Motherships will rot on dead accounts.
No one will put one on the field knowing if things go bad, the server farts in the wrong direction and a bunch of his fleet get dc'ed, whatever, he's dead.
The Dread buff alone would have been a good counter and made it harder to field small Super fleets without sufficient support, but as usual, CCP used a hammer instead of a chisel....

But now its about blob mode online and sub-caps online.

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

uh

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

supers will go back to being we have them but we never log them in..

supers will go back to being we have them but we never log them in..

or medium sized super gangs are going to loose all there supers and the person with the biggest super blob will never have oppisition because well there still is no viable way of winning..

anyone thinking the biggest super blob wont have the biggest subcap blob is living in fairy land

Will there be human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria etc as well?

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

What?!? Scaps pilots are being forced to use strategy instead of brute force in order to achieve a victory?!?

This is madness! roll this **** back nao!

edit:typo

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:55:00




>> ThatGÇÖs definitely possible. I think having them not be able to dock was a cool feature for a GÇ£uniqueGÇ¥ ship. Of course, the reality is that supercaps today arenGÇÖt unique anymore, so we could end up reviewing that in the future. Not Titans probably, but having Supercarriers dock is definitely something we think about.

But now its about blob mode online and sub-caps online.

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

This nerf = Lose Subcap battle, lose all supers on the field.

So with this nerf, supers can no longer defend themselves from subcaps, so now supers are committed for 23 hours once they cyno in if they lose the subcap battle.

Hypothetically, this means that if you have a 15 man super fleet (mid size alliance), plus 120 sub caps (mid size alliance), and lose the subcap battle, you also just lost all your supers.

Kthxbai. No way a sane super pilot will commit now unless they are 150% sure that they have a winning fleet. EVE is dead.

3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)

Sounds great to me. I was hoping CCP would realize what a huge mistake they made in introducing supers in the first place and do the smart thing by removing them from the game. If what you say happens it will be just as good.