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Greasy Meat Curtains
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Posted - 2011.11.13 09:32:00 -
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I hope you all remember this thread and the BS it is about when Kelduum Revaan runs for CSM7. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.13 11:11:00 -
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Quote:Five hundred lemmings blindly followed the link supplied and clicked like. |
Aaron Aardvark
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.13 11:59:00 -
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If anybody disagrees with this I suggest they participate in Hulkageddon V. |
Greasy Meat Curtains
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:04:00 -
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If you disagree with this thread then you must read this ganking CCP thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32342&find=unread
and then participate in it. Plus, you'll get isk. |
rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: I betcha their losses will go down significantly now.
If you're refering to the insurace removal, I don't think it'll change anything about that, it's more of a "there's something hidden, let's shoot it out!"
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Quote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. Why are they annoying? And how do you define griefing?
griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Quote:Everything change and evolve. stop being the old sad rambler who's trying to ruin fun for eveyone else. Not all change is good.
not all change is good, but those small one CCP did are.
Like I said somewhere else, high-sec is not safer then it was, I never lost a ship due to war, but i've lost plenty to suicide gank.
and even if you don't get your insurance back from it, a 500m payout on an indy will still be profitable. |
ValentinaDLM
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:15:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:You don't fix the problem of people getting mugged by making it legal to mug people.
Likewise, you don't fix the problem of people exploiting poorly thought out game mechanics by making the exploits allowable.
This is me totally agreeing with you....CCP I think you just made hell freeze over. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:31:00 -
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Thumbs up! |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:32:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Thumbs up!
Btw i think the reason they are doing this is because the new BCs and destroyer changes will change the hisec ganking balance (ganking without wardec) |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:55:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Dream Five wrote:Thumbs up! Btw i think the reason they are doing this is because the new BCs and destroyer changes will change the hisec ganking balance (ganking without wardec) Now there's ganking while at war?
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:53:00 -
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This is no longer stickied. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:52:00 -
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rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time.
rufeno wrote:griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station.
Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
300
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:39:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. They really only play in highsec. Some small proportion of them will venture into lowsec. An even smaller proportion will do sites in wormholes or npc nullsec. No unista is allowed into sov nullsec.
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.16 01:01:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:This is no longer stickied. no worries. your griefer tears should keep it afloat and on top for a good few few weeks |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
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Posted - 2011.11.16 01:26:00 -
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Jack All'Trade wrote: no worries. your griefer tears should keep it afloat and on top for a good few few weeks
thanks for bumping this important announcement bro.
ps we are recruiting
pps these forums are rubbish |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:05:00 -
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Bumping this important announcement. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:52:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Bumping this important announcement.
Daily question: any news on what is happening regarding this?
Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:59:00 -
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This is the 285th post. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:04:00 -
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You can not expect any plan built on bribery to actually work as a free standing system.
EVEs wars decs have never worked in a logical way and this is no worse than before, it just offends different people. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:21:00 -
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Would actually appreciate a CCP response to whether or not the 'dec mechanics are being looked at.
vOv
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:52:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. rufeno wrote:griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station. Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve.
your point being?
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
102
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:54:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called Alliance Hopping or the more recent "Dec Shield".
The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics.
In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind. This has made highsec assets 100% invulnerable to wars, No counter. Thanks for breaking eve. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
102
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:57:00 -
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rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. No, wardecs are a way to attack highsec assets and players. If you want to anchor your POS in a system thats full of POS's already? You need to blow one up. You see a POS with 10 mobile labs and you want to crack them open? Cant do that anymore ether. Your enemy using a POS as a base to mine up all your system's rocks? Shame you cant blow their POS up anymore. Theres a million reasons for wardecs. Well, WAS. Now theres no reason to wardec anyone at all. Highsec has literally become the fairytale land that idiot WOW players wanted it to become.
I know a lot of you think this is exactly why Dec Shield is a good idea and should be allowed. But realize you are playing the wrong game. This makes Highsec Assets 100% invulnerable. Nothing in eve is supposed to be 100% invulnerable. Nothing. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:59:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. rufeno wrote:griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station. Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. your point being? Sooper has no point, because they don't play all over New Eden.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:18:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:rufeno wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:rufeno wrote:wardec are just annoying, it's just a way to grief 99.9% of the time. rufeno wrote:griefing, in this particular case, is deccing small corps you know will just stop playing outside station. Eve Uni is a 1500 man alliance that plays all over Eve. your point being? Sooper has no point, because they don't play all over New Eden. Can you just STFU about Eve university for one goddamn ******* minute, please?
You're dragging a thread that should be a useful objection about a change that affects EVERYONE into "waaa E-Uni wanted this!"
Just. Go. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.11.17 12:47:00 -
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This is intended as a bump. It is intentional. CCP - Some news on what the plans might be to fix this ? Anything ? Pretty please ? Just a dim light on the horizon even ?
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Psychophantic
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:01:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: Sooper has no point, because they don't play all over New Eden.
0 -|- /\
Show me on the doll where E-Uni touched you. |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:15:00 -
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While I'm glad this announcement effectively means the end of using WARDECs as a griefer tool for extortion by large alliances and corporations against smaller newbie corporations, it does not fix the WARDEC system. I would prefer it to be fixed so that it addresses the griefer issue, but at the same time determines victory conditions in a WARDEC and the type of payout to the victor. As written on my blog a while back, I suggested the following fixes to the WARDEC system:
(1) Corporations under 15 players are not valid WARDEC targets. Corporations that start out will consist of players that does PvE stuff before the corporation becomes large enough to generate the ISK required to create a PvP wing once POSes come into question.
(2) Wars are consensual. Both sides MUST agree to fight in order for a war to be valid. There should also be a mechanism that defines the win condition (the total lost ships or structures, total pilots killed, or even a timer to complete a specific condition) in the declaration.
(3) There should be a reward system, again mutually accepted and programmed into the consensual agreement in (2), something like a contract that says ISK must be paid or goods given to the winner of the war. Perhaps the liquidation of a corporation or alliance can be used as a sort of war goal.
(4) There should be a new war tab in the corporation control panel that shows past wars, what the victory conditions were, and who won and what the reward was. The API could also store that information and make it retrievable to programmers. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
364
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:21:00 -
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Ehnea Mehk wrote:(1) Corporations under 15 players are not valid WARDEC targets Then I split my super fluffy carebear ISK grinding corp into 5 corps of 15 characters, and coordinate via a mutual chat channel. So exploitable it's stupid.
Quote:Wars are consensual Eve is NOT about consensual PVP. So I have to ask permission to attack my enemies assets? Ridiculous.
Quote:There should be a reward system Why? Why is this needed at all?
Basically you're suggesting wars become a gentlemen's agreement to duel. Which is NOT what Eve is meant to be about.
There are other games with capture the flags, victory conditions, points, etc. Not this one. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:57:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Then I split my super fluffy carebear ISK grinding corp into 5 corps of 15 characters, and coordinate via a mutual chat channel. So exploitable it's stupid.
That would be a logistics nightmare and would make your proposal unworkable. Who would be the CEO? What would the corporaiton plan be? No one would even try this because it would be a corporation with multiple identity problems.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Eve is NOT about consensual PVP. So I have to ask permission to attack my enemies assets? Ridiculous.
Absolutely not. This will make a war mean something for a change. WARDECs will no longer be an opportunity to griefer ransom a newbie corporation, or pad one's killboard to show they are a bad mo-fo when in fact they are not.
And my suggestion never takes away your right to attack someone's high-sec assets. You can still do that even without a WARDEC system in place. I've been podded and I've lost ships outside of a WARDEC in high-sec space.
You don't even need a large corporation or an alliance to raise ISK and plan strategy to make this happen . Want proof this is possible? The last 4 Hulkageddons. An organized offensive on the grandest PVP scale possible, complete with military goals and rewards for obtaining those goals.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Why? Why is this needed at all?
It's needed for several reasons. First, the WARDEC system does not have a way to determine who actually wins a war and earns the bragging rights of being the victor. My proposal clearly defines who won, who lost.
Second it makes having a war mean something for a change and not just to show you can steal some kid's candy bar or bike. Anyone can do that. Try standing up to someone who can fight back and you will have my admiration instead of my scorn.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Basically you're suggesting wars become a gentlemen's agreement to duel. Which is NOT what Eve is meant to be about.
EVE Online is a sandbox. It does not have a clearly defined meaning. It is how you want to play it. |
Vulpina Elaphe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:30:00 -
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The war declaration system will never work because you are shoving a low-sec sec environment on high-sec players who don't want to fight. If EVE Online was really a PvP game, there would be no such thing as security levels in space and CONCORD, yet we have high-sec space and CONCORD.
I don't agree with Ehnea's 4-point proposal for the same reason above, but inverted. It forces a consensual PvP environment on players who want to shoot on sight. But Ehnea is right when he says wars can be fought without the war declaration system, because Hulkageddon proves it can be done.
I would just throw the war declaration system out, and chalk it up as a failed experiment.
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